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Dultas lemmy.world Dultas@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-08-03
#52 · Quote Reply

That's true, but I'm also dreading the day my ram breaks down or I need more storage.

I just had to get a replacement drive for my NAS. Cost about half of what I paid for 3 drives 2 years ago.

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imetators lemmy.dbzer0.com imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-06-10
#53 · Quote Reply

Mac mini starts at $499 and has gone on sale for $479. It’s not really for gaming, but for $500, neither is the Windows box. And the laptop is a lie, even with those bezels. But let’s be real, you can get a decent PC for way less than $500! It won’t compete with the Mac, but it may yet be better for light gaming.

AMD based mini-pcs with something like 680M or 780M are around 500. But they are out of stock lately.

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k0e3 lemmy.ca k0e3@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-03-03
#54 · Quote Reply

Does anyone know how difficult it is to swap keyboards on ThinkPads? I wanna get one used but the problem is, most of them don't have US keyboards since I live in Japan.

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Carl sh.itjust.works CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-08-04
#55 · Quote Reply

Yeah, I think one of the reasons the AI bubble hasn't popped yet is because it's being weaponized to remove consumer hardware from the market entirely. These companies want as much processing done on the cloud as possible so that they can control, monitor and mine data from every user.

When you say cloud... I don't think people understand it is just a huge data centers. There are 288 in Canada, and ¼ of them are in the GTA (Greater Toronto Area).

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Inkstainthebat pawb.social Inkstainthebat@pawb.social
Joined: 2025-03-16
#56 · Quote Reply

(Okay, what the hell did Lemmy do to my quotes?? I used straight quotes for a reason! It just went and decided to guess opening vs. closing ones and totally scrambled them. If I want open/close quotes I'll type open/close quotes.)

Might be your font, I'm seeing "" straight quotes

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Inkstainthebat pawb.social Inkstainthebat@pawb.social
Joined: 2025-03-16
#57 · Quote Reply

Might be time to make more browser games again. Doesn't have to be complex. Ohhh... If you get some old flash games, those might even run fairly well on a pi zero. And when they ban non ID verified internet we can trade games on SD cards.

I'm game for that :3

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Korhaka sopuli.xyz Korhaka@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2025-01-14
#58 · Quote Reply

I'm game for that :3

I wonder how would be best to make games now that run easily in a browser with very low specs. I know you can just use JS straight in the browser for some types of games but it isn't really something I have looked into much.

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Scrollone feddit.it Scrollone@feddit.it
Joined: 2023-06-03
#59 · Quote Reply

Damn that joke becomes less and less funny each year

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Fluffy Kitty Cat slrpnk.net fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2025-01-27
#60 · Quote Reply

Hi, we (personally)'re various types of queer, and plural, and otherwise don't really have local """"""real-life"""""" community. The internet and such is crucial to our continued existence and we know literally nobody offline. Don't throw out computers just because "oh Real Life is More Real". (yes, you didn't technically say "throw out computers in general" but it feels like you're implying i...

This is the part people keep forgetting, or not caring about because they hate us

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Blemgo lemmy.world Blemgo@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-02-13
#61 · Quote Reply

Does anyone know how difficult it is to swap keyboards on ThinkPads? I wanna get one used but the problem is, most of them don't have US keyboards since I live in Japan.

My old work place used to buy refurbushed ThinkPads, and they slid rather easily by sliding a switch. I have one of the more recent models (also refurbished) at home as well, I'll try to see if it's still the same.

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chonomaiwokurae sopuli.xyz chonomaiwokurae@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2025-02-15
#62 · (edited) Quote Reply

Does anyone know how difficult it is to swap keyboards on ThinkPads? I wanna get one used but the problem is, most of them don't have US keyboards since I live in Japan.

I haven't tried it myself, but at least iFixit has a bunch of guides: https://www.ifixit.com/Search?query=thinkpad+keyboard&doctype=guide

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k0e3 lemmy.ca k0e3@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-03-03
#63 · Quote Reply

I haven't tried it myself, but at least iFixit has a bunch of guides: https://www.ifixit.com/Search?query=thinkpad+keyboard&doctype=guide

Sweet, thank you!

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k0e3 lemmy.ca k0e3@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-03-03
#64 · Quote Reply

My old work place used to buy refurbushed ThinkPads, and they slid rather easily by sliding a switch. I have one of the more recent models (also refurbished) at home as well, I'll try to see if it's still the same.

That would be super helpful. I was under the impression that the recent ones aren't swappable, it would be great if I could replace my surface with an actual laptop soon.

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Evotech lemmy.world Evotech@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-11
#65 · (edited) Quote Reply

Saving for my kids college went out the window.

Saving for my kids computers now

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EndlessNightmare reddthat.com EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com
Joined: 2024-03-24
#66 · Quote Reply

Light gaming, like Pong, or Breakout. Time to rediscover the classics!

Even a lot of modern indie titles will play on a low-spec PC.

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Aceticon lemmy.dbzer0.com Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-12-06
#67 · (edited) Quote Reply

It's not actually the "older hardware" that's responsible for security vulnerabilities, it's Microsoft chosing to end support for Windows 10.

That "older" hardware capable of running Windows 10 is more than capable of running any Linux distro which will keep on getting security updates for a long while (and you can just upgrade it again if that stops as Linux is nowhere as hardware demanding as Windows, especially the latest, Electron + AI, Windows).

For people who just use their PC for Office software, e-mail and browsing - who are the ones getting entry level PCs - hardware has been more than powerfull enough for 2 decades, and it's only Windows bloatware having grown to use the available computing power that has forced people to upgrade the hardware.

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Aceticon lemmy.dbzer0.com Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-12-06
#68 · Quote Reply

Along with anything else costing less than $500.

Well, if the USD loses it's reserve currency status, even $1000 or $2000 are perfectly possible in 2 years.

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Greyscale lemmy.sdf.org greyscale@lemmy.sdf.org
Joined: 2023-06-11
#69 · Quote Reply

Does anyone know how difficult it is to swap keyboards on ThinkPads? I wanna get one used but the problem is, most of them don't have US keyboards since I live in Japan.

Usually trivial to swap a keyboard, just gotta find the japan Lenovo FRU for the keyboard and order it. Sometimes you gotta buy the upper plastic too if the shape is different. If you have a model in mind I can find you the FRU and guide if you want.

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Aceticon lemmy.dbzer0.com Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-12-06
#70 · (edited) Quote Reply

Mac mini starts at $499 and has gone on sale for $479. It’s not really for gaming, but for $500, neither is the Windows box. And the laptop is a lie, even with those bezels. But let’s be real, you can get a decent PC for way less than $500! It won’t compete with the Mac, but it may yet be better for light gaming.

This is around $250 (and that's the version for Europe, shipped from Spain and the price includes VAT).

Six months ago it was just $150, so the current RAM and SSD prices seem to be fully included in the device price.

I got one to replace an aging Windows 8 PC of a family member who only does web-browsing and e-mail and put Linux on it, and have another one at home working as a TV Box + Home server.

With Linux that's more than enough for browsing, e-mail and even office apps. Not a machine for gamers, but then again gamers aren't buying "entry level PCs".

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Aceticon lemmy.dbzer0.com Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-12-06
#71 · Quote Reply

Sure, but they tend to be low-end mini PCs with older CPUs, very weak iGPUs, a tiny SSD and something along the line of 8 GB RAM.

And still blazingly fast for web-browsing, e-mail and office applications, as long as you don't put Windows 11 in it.

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ColdWater lemmy.ca ColdWater@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2023-08-09
#72 · Quote Reply

Well you probably overpaid slightly, and refurbished are about half the price, but prices are only going up so the best time to buy anything is going to always be months ago.

I mean GTX 1660 laptop, I forgot to write that in XD

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inzen lemmy.world inzen@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-08-10
#73 · Quote Reply

Does anyone know how difficult it is to swap keyboards on ThinkPads? I wanna get one used but the problem is, most of them don't have US keyboards since I live in Japan.

I did the same for realtively new Thinkpad(p14s gen 5, I think). Got original US keyboard from Aliexpress (lucky). It was pretty easy just a couple ofnscreews and had to be careful with folding the flex pcb/cable.

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unit327 lemmy.zip unit327@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-02-16
#74 · Quote Reply

Yeah, I think one of the reasons the AI bubble hasn't popped yet is because it's being weaponized to remove consumer hardware from the market entirely. These companies want as much processing done on the cloud as possible so that they can control, monitor and mine data from every user.

They aren't weaponizing anything against consumers. They don't care about consumers anymore, they are irrelevant.

They think if they just spend more money they will win the AGI race and therefore the whole economy forever. Consumers don't factor into it at all.

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captcha_incorrect lemmy.world captcha_incorrect@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-01-22
#75 · Quote Reply

Lmao, no. They don’t want users using this, it would be a mess. M$ would need to provide consumer facing OS support if they ever tried it, which is something they’ve vehemently refused to do for decades. It would also lead to their OS being blamed as the problem when the internet is having issues. Not to mention the consumer market isn’t really where they get their revenue from when it comes to...

Unless they outsource their OS support to CoPilot.

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melsaskca lemmy.ca melsaskca@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-03-09
#76 · Quote Reply

Access to the information superhighway will be relegated to only those who can afford a yacht. /s

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texture lemmy.world texture@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-12-19
#77 · Quote Reply

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yeah prebuilts are cheaper now, sadly

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peoflor lemmy.ml peoflor@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-10-18
#78 · Quote Reply

They don't care. They will literally throw people under buses at this point.

Real

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dan1101 lemmy.world dan1101@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-12
#79 · Quote Reply

I predict this research firm will not exist by 2030

Depends on how many corporations they can supply favorable polls to.

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Rekorse sh.itjust.works Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2024-08-30
#80 · Quote Reply

I mean GTX 1660 laptop, I forgot to write that in XD

Oh damn, a new gtx 1660 costs more than the whole laptop then, great deal!

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please_send_me_nudes_girl lemmy.sdf.org please_send_me_nudes_girl@lemmy.sdf.org
Joined: 2024-03-21
#81 · Quote Reply

It's not actually the "older hardware" that's responsible for security vulnerabilities, it's Microsoft chosing to end support for Windows 10. That "older" hardware capable of running Windows 10 is more than capable of running any Linux distro which will keep on getting security updates for a long while (and you can just upgrade it again if that stops as Linux is nowhere as hardware demanding as...

People believe it, I couldn't even convince my own father. He rather spend 600 bucks for a new laptop, for no reason.

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Jankatarch lemmy.world Jankatarch@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-07-12
#82 · (edited) Quote Reply

It's not actually the "older hardware" that's responsible for security vulnerabilities, it's Microsoft chosing to end support for Windows 10. That "older" hardware capable of running Windows 10 is more than capable of running any Linux distro which will keep on getting security updates for a long while (and you can just upgrade it again if that stops as Linux is nowhere as hardware demanding as...

Also distros aren't the final step of availability.
There are forks like elks linux runnable with 256Kb RAM.

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rumba lemmy.zip rumba@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2024-09-24
#83 · Quote Reply

Does anyone know how difficult it is to swap keyboards on ThinkPads? I wanna get one used but the problem is, most of them don't have US keyboards since I live in Japan.

I can't speak to the ease of the swap, but I do know lenovo is super great for letting you order parts.

https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/parts-lookup

I had to swap out the cooling on one of our newer legions at work and their parts game is on point.

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bridgeenjoyer sh.itjust.works bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-06-06
#84 · Quote Reply

Access to the information superhighway will be relegated to only those who can afford a yacht. /s

Full circle back to the first days of the internet that only universities and the rich could use. Also high storage prices again when we've had it dirt cheap for decades.

Nothing new.

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jj4211 lemmy.world jj4211@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-16
#85 · Quote Reply

Does anyone know how difficult it is to swap keyboards on ThinkPads? I wanna get one used but the problem is, most of them don't have US keyboards since I live in Japan.

If ThinkPad, easy. If IdeaPad, watch out, might not be viable.

It's amazing how good Lenovo is about ThinkPad, and how crap they are about IdeaPad.

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TheHighRoad lemmy.world TheHighRoad@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
#86 · (edited) Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

Technology keeps getting better and better; it is capitalism that keeps getting worse and worse.

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Aceticon lemmy.dbzer0.com Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-12-06
#87 · Quote Reply

Also distros aren't the final step of availability. There are forks like elks linux runnable with 256Kb RAM.

Oh, yeah.

I'm just thinking the more well known stuff with the "fancier" desktops and shipped with applications like LibreOffice and Firefox which are probably closer to familiar and don't look like a step back for Windows and Mac users.

If you really want to extend the life of your hardware to the max, well, whilst Linux has discontinued support for 486 and Pentium processors last year, any hardware newer than that (so, around 30 years or less) will still run the latest kernel and as you mentioned there are distros targeting machines with very little RAM and HDD space.

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Aceticon lemmy.dbzer0.com Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-12-06
#88 · Quote Reply

People believe it, I couldn't even convince my own father. He rather spend 600 bucks for a new laptop, for no reason.

My hope is that the crazy RAM and HDD/SDD prices and hence crazy prices for new PCs will push more people to try Linux.

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djdarren piefed.social djdarren@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-10-07
#89 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

You're not allowed to say 'Microslop' it's ILLEGAL!!!

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UltraGiGaGigantic lemmy.ml UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-08-23
#90 · Quote Reply

You're not allowed to say 'Microslop' it's ILLEGAL!!!

Not now clippy... not now.

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TubularTittyFrog lemmy.world TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-02-23
#91 · (edited) Quote Reply

Full circle back to the first days of the internet that only universities and the rich could use. Also high storage prices again when we've had it dirt cheap for decades. Nothing new.

the majority of people access the internet on their phones or smart devices. almost exclusively.

desktop computer internet is going the way of the doh doh in terms of traffic. it's for nerds.

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UnderpantsWeevil lemmy.world UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-14
#92 · Quote Reply

"You'll never own another computer cheaper than $500"

Chinese tech firms produce high end computers for less than $500

"SANCTION! TARIFF! EMBARGO!"

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BanMe lemmy.world BanMe@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-09-01
#93 · Quote Reply

"You'll never own another computer cheaper than $500" Chinese tech firms produce high end computers for less than $500 "SANCTION! TARIFF! EMBARGO!"

Now do cars, lol

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UnderpantsWeevil lemmy.world UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-14
#94 · Quote Reply

Now do cars, lol

You will never own an EV for under $80k

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bridgeenjoyer sh.itjust.works bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-06-06
#95 · Quote Reply

the majority of people access the internet on their phones or smart devices. almost exclusively. desktop computer internet is going the way of the doh doh in terms of traffic. it's for nerds.

Crazy isn't it!

I stand by, phones are for consuming, computers are for creation. Of course humans thirst for consuming is unending, like an insatiable Godzilla.

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TubularTittyFrog lemmy.world TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-02-23
#96 · (edited) Quote Reply

Crazy isn't it! I stand by, phones are for consuming, computers are for creation. Of course humans thirst for consuming is unending, like an insatiable Godzilla.

Yeah well i'm a social pariah for not being a phone person. I'm over here like it's 2002 consuming most of my internet on a desktop, not even a laptop! I spend maybe 15m a day on my phone.

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AeonFelis lemmy.world AeonFelis@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-03
#97 · Quote Reply

Access to the information superhighway will be relegated to only those who can afford a yacht. /s

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COASTER1921 lemmy.ml COASTER1921@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-10-05
#98 · (edited) Quote Reply

"You'll never own another computer cheaper than $500" Chinese tech firms produce high end computers for less than $500 "SANCTION! TARIFF! EMBARGO!"

The prices for tech on Taobao in China and in the US are nearly identical for the vast majority of tech items. So much is excluded from the tariffs that it's silly they even exist on paper. There are indeed some newer items only available there, but they're rarely on the affordable end of pricing.

Laptops and computer hardware in particular surprise me. I was hoping to get a new Huawei or Xiaomi laptop the last time I was in China since I got my parents a Huawei I've been jealous of in the US several years before they were banned. Absolutely nothing I could find on Taobao or in store was comparable value even to computers from Dell/HP/Lenovo.

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SaveTheTuaHawk lemmy.ca SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-03-07
#99 · Quote Reply

You will never own an EV for under $80k

if you buy slightly used, you are doing something wrong paying more than 15-20k.

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UnderpantsWeevil lemmy.world UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-14
#100 · Quote Reply

if you buy slightly used, you are doing something wrong paying more than 15-20k.

The used car market imploded when vehicle production dried up after 2008

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bridgeenjoyer sh.itjust.works bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-06-06
#101 · Quote Reply

Yeah well i'm a social pariah for not being a phone person. I'm over here like it's 2002 consuming most of my internet on a desktop, not even a laptop! I spend maybe 15m a day on my phone.

Awesome. I do much as I can to live in 2003 (mostly using CRTs, watching my vhs tapes, playing dreamcast, ha!)

I do like my phone for on the go, but I've done all I can do de crapify it. Excited to get a pixel and graphene next year.

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