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ayyy sh.itjust.works ayyy@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2024-06-20
#52 · Quote Reply

You completely missed the point

The point was to use plausible sounding word vomit to distract and “to be faiiiiiir”. How did I not address that? I guess I could have been more aggressive and called the person I’m replying to either willfully genocidal or just a useful idiot.

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DandomRude piefed.social DandomRude@piefed.social
Joined: 2026-02-20
#53 · Quote Reply

What are you doing to stop fascism in your country?
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pelespirit sh.itjust.works pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-14
#54 · Quote Reply

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Says the person who screams and insults, "Do something!" all while probably not even a US citizen and gives no advice.

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NotASharkInAManSuit lemmy.world NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-05-06
#55 · Quote Reply

The US Military as a whole might, but Captain Mediatrained they have answering questions might not know or might not be able to get thag info.

It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

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Aceticon lemmy.dbzer0.com Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-12-06
#56 · Quote Reply

Has there been any official statement as to why it was targetted? Did they mistake it for something else, bad intelligence? Did the missile malfunction? I mean, I can imagine them doing it on purpose for some fucked up reason but they have to have an excuse, no?

To "break their spirit", same as the Nazis tried when they bombed British cities?!

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PieMePlenty lemmy.world PieMePlenty@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-01
#57 · Quote Reply

Reminds me of a thread on Reddit of photos of Israeli missiles stuck in civilian buildings (apartment blocks). People asking where it was from and not one comment stating it was a Syrian city and where the missiles came from.
Treat everything you see as unconfirmed, no mater if it is for or against your beliefs. Manipulation is everywhere.

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1rre discuss.tchncs.de 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-06-09
#58 · Quote Reply

In this case, both attacks were verified by the same means: video and Google maps.

The existence of the attacks were, but not the details.

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floquant lemmy.dbzer0.com floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-05-31
#59 · Quote Reply

Has there been any official statement as to why it was targetted? Did they mistake it for something else, bad intelligence? Did the missile malfunction? I mean, I can imagine them doing it on purpose for some fucked up reason but they have to have an excuse, no?

Israel is using the "they have underground facilities there, trust us" tactic again

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mathemachristian [he/him] lemmy.blahaj.zone mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2025-06-05
#60 · Quote Reply

Look we don't know if we're evil but we are very certain that Iran is incredibly based

What this reads like to me

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chaotic_ugly lemmy.zip chaotic_ugly@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-02-22
#61 · Quote Reply

I know it's very, very cliche to mention Manufacturing Consent these days, but anyone who hasn't read it really should get ahold of a copy and at least read the first 2 or 3 chapters.

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AlfalFaFail lemmy.ml AlfalFaFail@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-03-01
#62 · Quote Reply

The existence of the attacks were, but not the details.

How did they verify the details according to the articles?

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FlyingCircus lemmy.world FlyingCircus@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-03-08
#63 · Quote Reply

It's pretty easy to determine the one who shot that missile into Israel. It is not as clear who blew up the school in Iran, and the headline would be quite uncertain to state "either American or Israeli". Additionally, it is relatively easy for the NYT to verify the news in Israel, so it is not a "claim", whereas they cannot easily verify the news in Iran.

How is it easy to verify claims in Israel when they lockdown areas, censor their own media, and assassinate journalists and their families who report on Israeli genocide? Israel does not have a more free press than Iran does.

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atcorebcor sh.itjust.works atcorebcor@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-09-24
#64 · Quote Reply

The cause in this case is almost certainly intentional. The NYT has a documented history of publishing Israeli state propaganda as fact without any independent verification. https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/ It’s also not like Israel allows the press to operate freely. They actively suppress and censor reporters. https://cpj.org/2025/12/under-the-radar-...

Wasn’t Israel the country that has killed the most journalists in the world?

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raker lemmy.world raker@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-14
#65 · Quote Reply

Same here: https://lemmy.world/post/43760793

US fighter jets "crashed", " falling from the sky" and "collision".
Pure framing bullshit!
Like they were out of fuel or something.

Kuwait blasted them! By accident.
That was already confirmed and stated.

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crypt0cler1c infosec.pub crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub
Joined: 2024-10-28
#66 · Quote Reply

The point was to use plausible sounding word vomit to distract and “to be faiiiiiir”. How did I not address that? I guess I could have been more aggressive and called the person I’m replying to either willfully genocidal or just a useful idiot.

You've lost all nuance and rationality

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Wilson lemmy.today Wilson@lemmy.today
Joined: 2026-02-18
#67 · Quote Reply

The criticism raises a legitimate issue, but the cause is usually structural rather than intentional. News outlets often use phrases like “X says” when they cannot independently verify the information. That situation is more common with casualty reports from states where they have limited access. When the outlet has confirmation from sources it considers reliable, it will report the deaths dire...

Given the loss of trust in media, if they want readers to give them the benefit of the doubt, they would need to cite their sources. I haven't ready either of these paywalled articles, but generally, they don't.

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Stormy thelemmy.club Stormy@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2026-02-16
#68 · Quote Reply

I know it's very, very cliche to mention Manufacturing Consent these days, but anyone who hasn't read it really should get ahold of a copy and at least read the first 2 or 3 chapters.

Never heard of it. Tell me why?

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chaotic_ugly lemmy.zip chaotic_ugly@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-02-22
#69 · (edited) Quote Reply

Never heard of it. Tell me why?

Like its title suggests, it delves into the ways in which popular consent is manufactured via the media (at the time - 1988 - mostly print, radio, and television). It's thoroughly convincing and is that rare type of book that can discuss research without alienating casual readers. Highly recommended.

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BlueFootedPetey sh.itjust.works peteypete420@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2024-03-12
#70 · Quote Reply

wait wut, the nyt (or any of our media rags) is a fucking propaganda pos? Is their a pikachu were he looks at you like you are fucking dumbass and he can believe you didnt know?

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DeepSeaString lemmy.world DeepSeaString@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-03-03
#71 · Quote Reply

Has there been any official statement as to why it was targetted? Did they mistake it for something else, bad intelligence? Did the missile malfunction? I mean, I can imagine them doing it on purpose for some fucked up reason but they have to have an excuse, no?

I haven't looked into it too much but I believe the school was near a military base and the rocket malfunctioned and went off course and hit the wrong target.

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petrol_sniff_king lemmy.blahaj.zone petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2023-07-01
#72 · Quote Reply

wait wut, the nyt (or any of our media rags) is a fucking propaganda pos? Is their a pikachu were he looks at you like you are fucking dumbass and he can believe you didnt know?

Today's lucky 10,000 would still benefit from learning about the media like this.

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Riverside reddthat.com Riverside@reddthat.com
Joined: 2026-01-20
#73 · Quote Reply

I know it's very, very cliche to mention Manufacturing Consent these days, but anyone who hasn't read it really should get ahold of a copy and at least read the first 2 or 3 chapters.
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RagingRobot lemmy.world RagingRobot@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-02
#74 · Quote Reply

It must be in their style guide that Israel is always good lol

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MrSulu lemmy.ml MrSulu@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-12-23
#75 · Quote Reply

Whilst NYT might not be Nazi, this is just how they worked the majority of the German population at that time. It starts light.

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xor lemmy.blahaj.zone xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2023-06-11
#76 · Quote Reply

I haven't looked into it too much but I believe the school was near a military base and the rocket malfunctioned and went off course and hit the wrong target.

Despite being the least upvoted response, this is the actual answer - the school was directly next door to a military base

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kittykillinit lemy.lol kittykillinit@lemy.lol
Joined: 2026-02-27
#77 · Quote Reply

I really appreciate people who notice things like these and bring it to light for everyone else.

Thank you.

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chaotic_ugly lemmy.zip chaotic_ugly@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-02-22
#78 · Quote Reply

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I've never read the Parenti book. Thanks for the recommendation.

Pretty heartbreaking about Chomsky and Epstein. But, you're right about Manufacturing Consent. Actually, Chomsky wasn't much more than an editor. All of the key concepts and the methodology were Herman's. Sure, the book wouldn't have been so popular without Chomsky's participation, but Herman could have written the book on his own, no question.

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