Not liking something doesn't mean they can't handle it

I'm partly with you. The sleep research is pretty clear, from my understanding, that, in winter, daylight time is worse for sleep and mental health than standard time.

But the research is also pretty clear that changing time zones is even worse, afaik.

So, according to the science on sleep and mental health, the ranking of the options is:

1. Permanent Standard Time
2. Permanent Daylight Time
3. Changing to/from Daylight Time

But, on the other hand, there are also arguments for the social and economic benefits of having light to "do things" after work. I'm more inclined to think the sleep and mental health benefits of morning sunlight for resetting our collective circadian rhythms is more important, but I also accept that others disagree.

Regardless, this is better for almost everyone. Some businesses, airlines especially, will face some complications, but it won't be a big deal in the long run. Saskatchewan has been like this forever. It'll be fine.

Servers that don't update = minor Y2K. But only for small websites/businesses/servers and that won't affect anything important. Who doesn't update their server for months, knowing this change is coming, right?

It should be fun!

It does happen every few months.

And not like it makes a damn difference anyways. It’s gonna be extra dark outside regardless of if we fuck with everyone’s schedule or not. One hour doesn’t make a significant difference in the amount of light we get in a day when we still just work for 8-9 hours of the day inside of a building.

Exactly. People tend to blame the winter darkness on the clock change but even if we didn't change our clocks, winter only gives us about 9 hours of sunlight during the shortest days of winter.

Yeah like, whoopidee doo, it’s light out during the morning while I’m off to work, I sure do get to enjoy that glimpse of daylight during my commute! Gonna be dark after I’m done regardless of the extra hour.

My cats also get confused, and then they get pushy about it.

I think to remember that Québec has the same law and we are all just waiting for New York...

I'm hoping they follow BC and decide they don't need to wait for the US.

Daylight savings was/is my “whiner” test.

If someone can’t handle DST then they can’t handle the smallest thing in the world - I have no time for them because literally everything else in the world is bigger and more complex so they’re incapable of dealing with anything.

I love this hypocrisy. It's fantastic.

We don’t give a fuck what the US does anymore.

The week after the time change has the highest level of heart attacks and car accidents. So yes, it affects everyone.

OK snowflake.

You know, I don't really think that raising a concern about the possibility of kids getting hit by cars that I hadn't heard discussed much before really falls into the same category as religious wingnuts scaremongering about "subversive" books or drag queens or whatever.

I didn't even present it as some sort of urgent, insurmountable problem, I just didn't have any rebuttal for it in the moment when I heard it. The other replies have brought up good points that could help make it work. Was that really warranted?

This is the saddest argument against scraping DST I've heard yet. Just because someone doesn't like something has nothing to do with their ability to "deal with things"

I with it was permanent standard time, I am very sad they decided on year-round daylight.

Goodbye to "high noon", "mid-day" and accurate sundials. Stupid to legislate an idiotic idea like "daylight savings" into permanence. But typical for morons to not think things through.

At least stopping the unhealthy, dangerous practice of time change is a step in the right direction.

I don't give a flying fuck if we stay on DST or ST, just stop the seasonal switches. High noon is already inaccurate the further you move from the "center" of a timezone.

When you have less than 8 hours od daylight, it's going to be dark for both commutes (assuming a commute)

I can assure you kids are going to school in the dark when we're on standard time. I was actually in grade school when the US stayed on DST year round for a hot minute in the 70s. It was no big deal

I'd like Ontario to follow>

Oh if that’s that case we should ignore NY and just do it.

Yeah, I agree with both of your opinions. We could just go back to the "real" time for the time zone, but the zone still means inaccuracies. Also, the whole concept of a clock is man made and can be whatever we want. Even more so, we can have lunch whenever we want, too - so it doesn't even matter when 12pm is, you can still have lunch when the sun is highest.

In the end we just have to agree on any fixed point to count from. BUT IT MIGHT AS WELL BE COSMICALLY DEFINED 😭

As a sysadmin or programmer its a nightmare.

To be fair, high noon is rarely 12:00 even without DST. West Saskatchewan and the Yukon have quite a big mismatch with solar time. The idea behind Sandford Fleming's innovation was that some mismatch is acceptable if it means you don't get a different time zone in every stop along the railway.

Personally, I think this system is not really the best for the modern globalized age. I would prefer something like Swatch Internet Time or even just using UTC exclusively everywhere. It's just a social construct that the sun rises at what we label with numbers between 5 and 9 (usually), and we start working at what's labelled 9. You could just as easily (more easily in my opinion) shift those labels depending on geography, instead of using the same labels and deciding on an offset. But it will never happen because of inertia. Look how difficult it is to get rid of a dumb idea like the biannual clock shift (not to say DST) because of inertia.

HOORAY!