Why would I ever even have bought a ChatGPT subscription when there were free ways to access LLMs that were just as good?

I mean you can probably still pull of a State University at $50k a year, right? I graduated highschool in 2010 so my data is definitely out of date but how much can a public school cost!?

According to US News & World Report, the national average cost of in-state tuition is $12,436 and the national average cost of out-of-state tuition is $29,815. So it sure is possible (on average), but just barely. I also randomly checked Florida State University and their tuition is $6,517 for in-state and $21,683 for out-of-state students so it's a relative bargain.

This doesn’t match with my experience at a state school at all, lol. I get whether I put a period before or after my citation picked apart. Is this how students at private schools get treated?

And data collection. People think they’re good if they just don’t give it personal info but you’re definitely being fingerprinted and tracked. If they haven’t already they’ll eventually partner with meta or google (in the case of Gemini that’s obviously already done) to match any fingerprinting to much denser profiling. Plus they’re designed in a way to encourage you to let your guard down and talk casually, which disarms you and makes it more likely you mention identifying info they can’t determine from IP and fingerprinting.

OpenAI has already added advertisement so this is definitely occurring. No one buys ads in this day and age without robust audience targeting

I was using Notability and it let me have a preview of that, and I tried it on a ~40+ page reading I had for class. I feel like it worked well at picking out trivia (‘what is the definition of x’, ‘who did this thing’, etc), but it felt pretty shallow. If you’re preparing for a multiple choice quiz or refamiliarizing yourself with something then I’d say it’s probably okay, but if you’re studying for the essay portion of a test it’s not enough.

Better than that leave GAFAM ecosystem.

Degoogle, demicroslop, deamazon, etc...

Let's pop that bubble!

I have a gpu, I downloaded some models, played a little, got bored very fast.

I don't know, I went to a community college. I don't know what grades other people got on their essays, but sometimes we did peer revisions and I saw the quality of other people's writing. They called me racist and elitist if I made too many grammar corrections, so I can only imagine what they said about the professor when they get a bad grade because I stopped correcting their grammar during proofreading.

There's also this thing that sometimes happens where the professor adjusts for privilege in grading. The effect is that I would get a B+ or an A- for having a couple typos, but someone who can barely spell or formulate a complete sentence might get the same grade as me or even better.

And if I get an A in the class or on a test I have to keep it a secret or all my classmates will hate me and claim it was because of white supremacy or some shit.

Yeah, it's a fun toy that's definitely not worth any money (at present, possibly forever).

In all fairness, recently duck.ai has been adding a "settings" portion to help you prompt the LLM to get much better results, but again, that costs $0 to use. The couple times I've used its "tech support" setting, it's been fairly helpful, but I wouldn't trust it on anything serious (due to how often LLMs hallucinate).

Stop using the Nazi program to post onto the Nazi website.

But it’s not that simple.

Some of my best computers are black

I've tried it a few times for help with technical tasks just outside of my knowledge. It was most useful when giving me bad ideas that I argued against and, in the process, figured out better solutions.

Even STEM bachelor's degrees can be a little iffy. I finished my undergrad and felt like what I truly learned was how little I knew.

I’m going to a community college in California right now and that doesn’t match my experience at all. These were announced grading policies?

Even with ChatGPT, when I wanted to play around with it, it was always free. I was never asked to pay for anything and never saw a reason to seek out a way to pay for it.

It is kinda concerning how few people actually remember the 2008 Recession and what precedent the US state solidified in its response. A key feature of neoliberal politics is the extraction of public capital through state subsidies and cronyist deal-making. These companies understand that bailouts are a genuine and secure route for capital injection should they sustain a consistent loss. Y'all think it's a coincidence all this coverage of AI company losses followed their realization that there is no way for the US to build up its infrastructure to effectively challenge Chinese AI capabilities?

This is the business model, it's why they're so open and vocal about AI sucking even though they depend on its speculative value and its why they've spent so much on collecting liquidation assets in hardware and real-estate despite the obvious inability to meet the infrastructure demands.

Yeah this is all Dot Com 1.0 bubble economics bullshit. How soon they forget.

Yeah, I appreciate the duck duck go ai chatbots, since they are free and don't have the limit that using chatgpt directly for free had. Plus you can select other models (haven't even been using chatgpt).

If I remember correctly the first time I looked at the marketing materials when I went to their official website and they advertised it to me as an alternative for the free version I was trying, they basically offer(ed) a few features I didn't care about:

1. The very latest model, i.e. this week instead of this year

2. Saving your conversations and using that to tailor the LLM to you

The first was not worth $10/month or whatever it was, and the second was something I actively did not want.

I have a sneaking suspicion that people value the service for its ability to mimic professional human writing, which they are otherwise incapable of, and they don't really care that it's not very accurate.

But it's hard for people to admit, "Yes, I'm an adult who writes at a 3rd grade level," so they pretend it's useful for other reasons.

More like undercurrents in the student body that professors had to be aware to avoid being slandered on exit surveys and ratemyprofessor

There is no reason for me to cancel my ChatGPT subscription if I never even started a ChatGPT subscription.

Not sure how anyone can say "fuck AI" and still actually sorta use AI.

Hot take - I'd rather not accelerate their demise. I want it to happen after Trump is (hopefully) out.

OpenAI pre-ordered 40% of yet-to-be-manufactured DRAM, causing a global shortage making memory very expensive, new laptops/phones to be shipped with less memory, and delaying projects like the Steam Machine.

They did it with money they do not have. So unless they manage to actually become profitable - they are going to get bankrupt very hard.

And Trump will bail them out.

I'm not suggesting the next president is going to be against corporate welfare. But maybe, just maybe, OpenAI will be associated so hard with Trump that the political beef alone will make him[^1] more inclined to let OpenAI take the fall they so dearly deserve.

[^1]: Not using gender-neutral language. We've already seen this is not going to happen.

Oh I remember 2008 quite. I lost most of my teenage years to homelessness because economies collapsed due to America's capitalist bullshit.

During that time I had to struggle for food, had junkies threaten and attack my family, and nearly died shitting and puking blood due to contaminated water.

Weird, do you feel like sharing generally where this is? I’ve corrected grammar in my English writing classes plenty of times as part of peer review, even (gently) corrected another student on how they were using a racially insensitive term, despite the fact I’m white and they weren’t without it being an issue (they were an international student and we had been reading some stuff from the 1800s that used outdated terms).

For other classes I’ve had a mix of whether or not the professors care about grammar, but those that do have always been upfront about how to get in contact with free tutors on campus to check your work.

RMP is a crapshoot anyway on how useful it is; one terrible prof at my school is constantly leaving really obvious 5 star reviews for himself to override the hordes of people going DO NOT SIGN UP FOR THIS CLASS!!, while a fantastic professor I have has close to the same middling rating because she does a class that qualifies for fulfilling a gen ed requirement, and people who are uninterested in it just don’t like the class.

Why wouldn't another administration bail out the biggest AI company in the world headquartered in the US? They're literally more important right now than Lockheed, GM, JP Morgan and others they bail out.
Trump is probably the only one that would MAYBE consider an alternative like xAI.

Political beef.

If Musk was still Trump's BFF he would have prevented the bailout due to personal beef, but that's no longer an option.

I can use ai and still hate myself for having to use it. I don't really have a choice at this point. And I still hate ai.

They've been increasingly losing money. This is mostly because they were growing at a ridiculous rate over the past 3 years.
Losing $14 billion is not unexpected. But it's also not detrimental. Tech companies like this are famous for growing with losses.
All it takes is for OpenAI to go public and it'll become another Tesla, consistently overvalued.

East coast, so maybe different culture from California. It was also a few years ago and the culture might have shifted a bit since then.

I was literally in a seminar where participation was encouraged and part of our grade, and my professor stopped calling on my because I raised my hand for nearly every question. Even though I would often wait for a few other students to speak before I raised my hand. And sometimes no one else would raise their hand at all. Prof was basically pulling teeth to get anyone else to respond, and my arm was getting tired from staying up so long, and this was a regular occurrence.

But he docked me participation points because one day I was getting really frustrated and fed up with being so blatantly disrespected, so I decided to leave instead of making a scene. My blood was literally boiling and there was no productive outcome that could have resulted from me staying that day.

The result was that I got docked participation points from a seminar because I raised my hand too much. If that's ever happened to someone who isn't a cishetero-presenting white male, I'll eat my shoes.

Why don't you have a choice?

When you use ChatGPT you chat with Trump!

Cancel your subscription today!

three's a VAST range in there and fsu is not a good school.

the real point of college is even less about the paper and more about the networking. that's what you pay for at a good school.

Can't speak for others, but my work performance is evaluated against a KPI specifically on LLM usage.

Imagine paying money to subscribe to an AI company.

I don't think you can really bail OpenAI out tho. The bailout worked in 2008 because the government could just buy the 700 billion of "toxic assets" and the financial institutions would return to a self-sustaining state of affairs, like they had been before making a bunch of really risky bets on mortgages. If you gave OpenAI 700 billion they would burn it at an unfathomable rate and still lose money because their underlying business model isn't functional - they only lose money. OpenAI is the toxic asset here. A bailout of them would be more like if the government had paid all of the delinquent home-owners' mortgages for one month; Next month they would be unable to pay again.

My university automatically gives all students premium subscriptions to multiple chatbots.

Meanwhile acquiring a local bus pass is case-by-case process to save money from students who do not use that service.

I don't know why they actively refuse to do the same with microsoft products.

In the end my tuition money funds 4 different chatbot services to 30,000+ students. I feel like I should apologize at this point.

(I still refuse to use any of them tho cause fuck AI)

I'm here to learn and gain perspective. I'm not in the "fuck ai" camp. In my view, problems arise from how people use the tools they have, not necessarily the tools themselves.

I did delete my openai account., but it wasn't a paid account, and I hadn't used it in years, so no real loss for them. I do still occasionally use local LLMs. I like to be informed and aware of what's happening in the world around me, and AI is definitely happening, like it or not. Society doesn't ever go backward in technology.

What's that mean? The programming edition or something?

Never underestimate stupid people with money.

And then those Unis will bitch and moan about students using AI to help with essays or other works. It's like giving a kid a calculator then asking them to not use it during a math test.

AI is fine as a tool. The problem is too many individuals, as well as corporations are using AI as a replacement to critical thinking, problem solving, and straight up replacing humans. Companies want to replace paying workers with AI tools to do their job. Humans are replacing social interaction with AI partners.

There's a huge difference in me asking an AI bot to find me the best winning streak of the Buffalo Sabres of the NHL since 1970, vs replacing my social interaction with my girlfriend with a chat bot who will always say yes.

I will start using it more to waste bandwidth with Yuri Fanfics of Sam and Trump

Holy shit do people subscribe to this?

Sorry but outside search and maybe in the background elsewhere I’ve never used it.

Or cancel sub and then use the absolute shit out of the free model to burn their runway faster

Why would I pay for a babbling idiot?

That's free every where, at any time.

It's me, okay? I'm the babbling idiot, don't need another