And he was in love with Ziyal, so quite obviously bi in some way.

bro I saw that lunch date they had together. Ziyal is a straight woman after some gay dick, and he's trying his best to let her down without spelling out how gay he is.

acts like they own the place 80% of the time on screen

I mean, they are chief medical officer

unzips

terrorist is when you do bad thing

IDK, Picard went FAAAAR away to avoid having her replace his heart, and ended up with her anyway.

picard's kinda a wuss so...

My guy got where he was by fighting naussicans in bars over Dom jot.

Was he a terrorist? Spy, sure. Torturer, sure. Assassin, yeah. But terrorist?

Non-terroristically planting a bomb on an innocent diplomat's ship.

Crusher felt likr she had very little to her character. She rarely causes conflicts or takes sides beyond the "responsible physician" or "mom", meanwhile Pulaski felt like she had a level of characterization that Crusher didn't. She's a science officer and a skeptic, a rough around the edges healer who will get involved in your moral dilemma. At the start I disliked her, and at the start of season 3 I wanted her back.

Well yeah, but I would absolutely watch everything related to her arguing about having slept with a ghost and trying to figure out what exactly happened, seeing as ghosts would require a lot of evidence

In that very first scene when he meets Dr. Bashir it’s clear as a bell— and this was my choice—that he was sexually attracted to this good-looking young Starfleet doctor. And although they didn’t follow that up with an explicitly gay character, that ambiguity about Garak remained.

[Laughs] Oh yeah. I broadcast it as strongly as I could. But you know, they never really followed up on it, we never even had a discussion about it. Deep Space Nine was already at right angles to the Star Trek franchise. It was a different kind of Star Trek show. And I think that suddenly to bring on an openly gay alien, who, who was having this relationship with Dr. Bashir. I think that was maybe a bridge too far. I’m guessing at this, but I, but I think that may be it.

I think Ira and the writers loved that it just added to the mystery of the guy. What is he? Who is he? Is he this or is he that? I think it just reinforced what they were already trying to do with the character.

Yeah totally, 100% just shippers reading into it, uh huh.

Picard just didn't want the rest of the crew knowing that he had a mechanical heart. It was pure fucking vanity.

The reason she ended up doing it anyway is because she was the only one who was expert enough to actually fix his heart. They had to warp 9 her ass to where he was being worked on and almost had to leave Geordie in the hands a bunch of wackadoo morons with an inferiority complex in order to get her there in time.

That wasn't her. That was also a guy not a woman. The only woman in that particular story was the judge who is determining whether or not data was a sentient being and could refuse to go with that guy.

The problem with the writing on Pulaski's character was that they were reaching for a gruff and blunt demeanor similar to Bones from the original Star Trek. They failed spectacular at that. And I think the only reason that Pulaski has the limited fandom that she does is because Muldaur is an incredible actress.

Cloak and dagger spy shit.

Terrorism is when you try to harm the populace.

Yeah she was dope.

They were literally trying to make her a Bones clone. People need to remember that the first two seasons of Star Trek the next generation had a lot of ups and downs before they really found their footing in the later seasons.

Til Bev was considered hot by some.

Who is the main villain of DS9? The cardassians? The lady version of Odo? The space pope Bajoran lady?

Waiting for Captain Janeway to enter the chat...

I am so glad I quit watching it when I did.

You mean like when he participated in the Cardassian occupation?

I also thought Crusher was blah, and her hair is pretty weird too, NGL, it is so 80s in its own way.

She probably just read it and didn't hear it pronounced out loud. Or shes used to saying it that way as a formally trained scientist from the future.

you could say he phasered around and found out.

still kinda a wuss.

Was he doing that to create terror, or to kill someone?

To create terror. It was a false flag operation meant to get the Romulans to see the Dominion as a threat to their safety. The fact that the senator happened to be one of the biggest opponents to fighting the Dominion was icing on the cake, removing him was a bonus but not the main reason for doing it.

yes, it was her.

she supported that prick and urged for Data to be dissembled. perhaps she later had a change of heart, but that doesnt mean i trust her.

Yeah that would count as terrorizing the populace, although terrorist to me is specifically someone outside the ruling government, otherwise they're a brutal occupying army/genocidal government, which to me is worse than terrorist. Kira was a terrorist, for a just cause.

She left after the second season and Doctor Crusher came back. You can keep watching.

Did Kira try to harm the populace? I feel like most of what she did was more like... blowing up government officials.

It's pretty hard to come up with a consistent definition of terrorist that wouldn't include Garak, I'm just saying.

Why does he have a vagina on his forehead?

Yeah, I guess she was trying to terrorize government officials and whatever civilians the Cardassians had there. I think you could call that a populace. Just not the occupied populace.

The Cardassians were bad. But I'm not sure why it's so important for them to be terrorists.

When Stalin and the USSR engineered a famine in Ukraine were they terrorists? They definitely did it. But people usually call it genocide instead of terrorism because the balance of power is top down instead of bottom up. It's just a different word for a different bad thing.

I'm pretty sure none of them are in breaking bad!

But I’m not sure why it’s so important for them to be terrorists.

I'm not sure why it's so important for them not to be terrorists.

But people usually call it genocide instead of terrorism because the balance of power is top down instead of bottom up.

I don't really want to get into that tangent, but genocide is not exclusively a "top-down" thing. There were independent militias in WWII that hunted down and exterminated Jews in Eastern European villages (some affiliated with Stefan Bandera), they were committing genocide regardless of state backing.

Regardless, Garak was involved in both (at different times in his life) blowing people up as a non-state actor to advance a political agenda, and in harming a wider populace.

I'll take your notes on bravery once you get stabbed in the heart in a barfight, thanks

Bran the broken?

They had to warp 9 her ass to where he was being worked on and almost had to leave Geordie in the hands a bunch of wackadoo morons with an inferiority complex in order to get her there in time.

oh shit I forgot that was the Pakled episode. Rofl.

Picard just didn’t want the rest of the crew knowing that he had a mechanical heart. It was pure fucking vanity.

good point

The woman of course.

So, he created terror among the Romulans? They sure didn't seem terrified to me.

To give head.

pfft I'll take notes on your intelligence when you can sort out fictional characters from reality, thanks.

1. People don't have to be terrified for it to be terrorism

2. I don't think we see how they reacted, except that they suddenly decided to enter the war and treat the Dominion as an existential threat, as Garak intended.

So, his assassination was successful, but it wasn't terrorism.

To me its important to use words that convey specific meaning. If the meaning of terrorist has changed to something I'm not familiar with, I'd like to know.

I believe you that Garak engaged in non-state-sponsored acts of terrorism. And perhaps the definition of terrorism should include some state sponsored acts, like perhaps KGB-agents roughing up people, or the FBI targeting civil rights groups. Or fucking ICE doing everything they've got going on. Dang language is hard. I think I'm changing my mind.

If you completely ignore both of the valid points I just made, yes. Otherwise no.

My definition of terrorism would very clearly and unequivocally say that planting a bomb on a diplomat's ship is an act of terrorism. That's a very standard definition and straightforward case. The meaning has not "changed," such an act would always have been considered terrorism.

This whole question of whether it's still considered terrorism when a state does it or whether we should call that something else, is just because you disputed that definition, saying that terrorism is when you harm the populace. I just pointed out that Garak also harmed the populace, and that Kira, who you do consider a terrorist, did not. Include acts conducted by states, don't include them, either way, Garak did both.

People like Dukat more than Polaski, and I'm pretty sure, by the end of DS9, he was actually the devil. That's what you get for being mean to Data

Well, they are fictional characters. We don't like/dislike them for things they do to other fictional characters, but for how entertaining they are.

People are going to like a fun evil character more than an annoying good character.

The ones where you tried to pretend that it was terrorism when it obviously wasn't?

pulaski seems alot more competent and logical than beverly, who had some wierd fetishes as part of her character. thats why she and data get along so well.

The title of this isn't great when DS9 also has terrorist who are heroes, fighting against that fascist regime. It goes out of its way to show that terrorism is a tool, not a condemnation. It's not the most precise tool, and it's not the first you should reach for, but it is there. However, when the state commits these acts it isn't considered terrorism, so Dukat likely wouldn't be considered a terrorist, at least not while he was performing those actions.