In America.

They already are. Well depends on who they are I guess but someone is.

The California law doesn't require age verification, just a setting on the account that e.g. a parent can set. It's still stupid, but it's not what apple is supposedly doing here.

i accepted this to use a health insurance app. anyway to go back from here?

Could someone share a non alarmist take here? I have seen posts elsewhere that apple's "using information we already have to assign you an age-range" is better than other more invasive methods.

I (regrettably) acquiesced when prompted to use this method in order to access health insurance app. Am I cooked? permanent all powerful spyware time?

Yes, you can. It's just an ARM64 computer. The only special consideration is that the kernel uses 16K pages instead of 4K pages, but that's not something I've encountered problems with.

I wonder if this is why they’ve been so forceful in moving capable devices to iOS 26.

Has anyone checked to see if this exists in iOS 18.7.7 or 18.8 betas?

Google tried a few years back but there was pushback. Google will slowly boil the frog tho.

Good, I am waiting on my brand new Fairphone 6.

Fuuuuck with apple doing this, I wonder how long we have until this BS enters Android and Linux Kernel.

I mean DRMing and Tivoizing every new computer so that it can't be rooted or jailbroken and Linux won't run on it. Requiring a license from the state to have a compiler. You know, The Right to Read or Unauthorized Bread type shit.

I'm hoping the implementation is something like 'check this box to confirm you're over 18,' and nothing more.

And it's not like servers have gotten harder to run! Pirates serve terabytes of data that's straight-up illegal! Your fuckin' commercial connection should be plenty for any damn thing you want.

Well when we have to comply we can make a build flag everyone shut toggle off...

Presumably if there’s a switch to turn it on then there’s also a switch to turn it back off again.

I have a Macbook air now. Do you recommend me to buy a Lenovo thinkpad? Qubes os is the top pick, I heard.

I suggest simply never complying. Anyone who does is a traitor. This is FOSS, they have no control over us, ZERO power to enforce compliance.

They should just be done with it and implant an id chip at birth
Data freely available to our capitalistic gods and politicians

Probably over time. Look at the RAM situation - the fear is this will be the norm. At best.

Not necessarily. Write once memory, fuses, etc. can make that a one way Street

Compile it on what tho?

you're losing a lot of nuances here, just want to add for other readers.

there was and are good reasons for why code wasn't accepted

What if you sell your phone?

They're open source and their OEM partner, Lenovo is out of US sphere of influence. They can patch the code when it's put on the phone, just like how manufacturers modify Android source code.

I hope GrapheneOS makes it easy to avoid and still verify integrity.

If they're forced to have them in USA and EU, so be it. That's their policy problem for their people. It's a win for everyone else.

yeah that's a fair thought. it was more of a push notification than a switch.

i had a cursory look around and didn't find it but i could ask apple support

Is it regional? Am I safe to update in Europe?

Lmao good fucking luck enforcing this on Linux. There's no central authority to handle age verification, and even if there was, it'd take less than a week for someone to make a patched version of whatever tool they use that just... Autoreports that you're an adult no matter what.

I suggest simply never complying.

While this is the best. it is not feasible. Not many open source projects can just pay millions on fines and not think about it.
Idiots making these laws cant enforce it but they will try in the only way they know. Fine and fine and fine untill a project dies.

Yeah apparently it's fine for them to fuck kids but too immoral to risk kids seeing people fucking.

Surveillance data

the haute bourgeoisie. The 1% of the 1%.

The painful irony being that the bourgeoisie were still below the nobles

People in CA and CO: this shit is why people hate your states. Get better politicians ffs.

Already running Linux, so Linux. And they're not going to be able to stop people sharing their compiled images

From what I've read online it's going to be worldwide

I'm not saying that it's been thought through for this particular use case... Just saying that you can make one way changes

This would be pre vpn or anything else you could do to protect your privacy - if it’s at the OS level it’s before the browser and VPN level

That’s not happening now, but it’s the only way the are gonna be able to to check content to make sure “ the children are safe “

Extant information is safer than just uploading an id (which is what the laws want). No one needs to know your birthdate or identity if your account is 18 years old. No one needs to know your birthdate or identity if you have a cc on file (you gotta be an adult to have a credit card and therefore to have credit card on file).

This is the best possible solution, where there isn’t a requirement to upload a scan of a government issued id.

It’s under settings > Apple account (the bubble with your name if you’re signed in) > age range for apps.

The first time you click it you’re asked to go ahead or update your birthday in the account first.

Inside you can pick to always, never or ask first before sharing your age range with some app and it says you can see what apps have asked for your age range.

There are many distros. And you can build kernels from source.

You can build browsers from source. And import open hardware from China. RISCV is getting close to usable, these days.

You can buy them now, because the US hasn’t banned their import yet, but that’s what these laws will lead to.

Can I still pick 1/1/1900 when I update?

It's likely that Apple already has age data on you because they collect all kinds of data including payment details from you. If you use any paid apple service (pay for apps on the app store, pay for music, or cloud services, use the air tags etc), it's likely they already know your age.

The reason to be worried about this isn't because now apple has this information, but because of the progression of this information being demanded, shared, and hoarded by less secure age verification services.

Anyone hoarding personal identifying information is a target for criminal enterprises that want that information.

Apple can be hacked, but you have to evaluate your threat model and what information you've already given them, as well as what information is already out there on the internet about you.

Wait, send explicit images? I'm not a child, I get that on these platforms my privacy is pretty well gone, but is it explicitly known (confirmed from the source) that these companies scan your images too?

That feels extra fucked up. Like "hold on a sec bucko let me check this photo you're trying to send real quick to make sure it's not titties "

For a phone sim.....of course you do. I mean they would know who pays the bill anyway right? Unless you have a phone company that takes bitcoin or cash only.

When general computing is outlawed, only outlaws will have general computers.

I'll meet you in the digital underground, netizen.

Also they'll deny trans kids puberty blockers which are proven to be safe and reversible, and the alternative creates harm.

And they'll censor the internet for 'children' (a 17 year old is not a child) to prevent them finding community, support or education outside their IRL religious and harmful bubbles.

It was never about actually protecting children

I bet people will just accept it and not even think twice about it.

They definitely do. That’s how you can search photos by their content on iOS or android.

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