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cannedtuna lemmy.world cannedtuna@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-21
#52 · Quote Reply

You've done a pretty good job here, so I'll just add this: A map of providers and some info on their benefits. https://www.ngprovider.com/current-usenet-map.php There's also a ton of info about usenet, how it works, and what to look for, on that site. (you may have to manually go to the homepage to see the rest)

Wow, I’ve never seen this before. Thanks for sharing!

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skisnow lemmy.ca skisnow@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-03-22
#53 · Quote Reply

Problem is that I have a shitty ADSL connection so I have to limit seeding to 500kB or 1mB

For some reason my household fibre connection is about ten times faster up than down. It’s like an anti-ADSL.

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andros_rex lemmy.world andros_rex@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-09-13
#54 · Quote Reply

I have qbittorrent set to quit when the DL is done. I tried to seed but spectrum is on that shit, they shut off Internet access. I can't afford a VPN right now, my wife and I both work and we are struggling. Thank you, seeders. I'm a leecher, and I truly am sorry. I dl TV shows that are off the air and aren't available on dvd

Reseed Linux distros as penance?

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harmbugler piefed.social harmbugler@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-08-25
#55 · (edited) Quote Reply

Use Proton VPN free version

Good advice, but torrenting is blocked on the free tier. Good advice because at least you can put all your other stuff over a VPN.

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Pacattack57 lemmy.world Pacattack57@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-06-01
#56 · Quote Reply

I don’t use a vpn so I can’t seed. Sorry guys

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BladeFederation piefed.social BladeFederation@piefed.social
Joined: 2026-02-18
#57 · Quote Reply

Good advice, but torrenting is blocked on the free tier. Good advice because at least you can put all your other stuff over a VPN.

Just tested it and you're right. That must be relatively new.

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AceFuzzLord lemmy.zip AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-06-19
#58 · Quote Reply

Windows works fine.

The last drive of mine running windows is currently an offline setup right now because I ain't updating it to windows 11 and ain't connecting to the internet while not getting security updates.

I could do it on that windows 10 drive when I allowed the OS an internet connection, but now I'm dealing with the consequences of not suggesting that my dad switch from windows 10 to MX Linux on his laptop.

Though, I will agree windows would work just fine.

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Scipitie lemmy.dbzer0.com Scipitie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2023-12-25
#59 · Quote Reply

As long as the VPN isn't a front for residential proxies and routing bot traffic over your endpoint, doing god knows what. If they've been heavily advertised at some point, they most likely are.

"most of them are (if advertised heavily)" is quite a claim without data to back it up.

At least for the one I tested none of them sent additional traffic over my connection. That's just one data point and I only looked to ones with port forwarding but still far away from your claim.

There are a shitload of VPN tests out there and testing id your connection gets used by third parties for not traffic is even possible for a layperson.

Please stop fear mongering without remedies or specifics.

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Everyday0764 lemmy.zip Everyday0764@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-06-09
#60 · Quote Reply

If you're going to leach, why even bother with a torrent client? Let Real-Debrid do the leeching for you and then grab the file directly from their servers. It's much faster, especially since all it takes one person to upload the torrent to their database and then everyone can directly download the file at gigabit speeds. It also doesn't require a VPN to protect you from your ISP, saving you so...

I still can't understand how they are not being sued to obligation for doing that.

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Victor lemmy.world victorz@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-11-14
#61 · Quote Reply

Things you need: A Usenet provider such as EasyNews or Astraweb. Usenet services host the content. Be aware that some services like GigaNews just rehost from the same pool of servers as a lot of others, also can be a tad scummy. There’s a lot to look into here for features like connection limits, retention, and download speed. You can also purchase “block accounts” which let you buy blocks of d...

Thanks so much for this.

So like, I'm looking to spend at least $15/month unless I can get a discount via a promo code? Might as well start paying for Netflix at that point. Right now I'm running up $0/month with access to anything I want at top speeds for my high speed connection. I don't know if using Usenet is worth it for my situation.

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PolarKraken lemmy.dbzer0.com PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-03-31
#62 · Quote Reply

I'm not trying to give unsolicited advice but you can get a VPN subscription for 1$/month and put it on your router to get your whole house covered. Seems like a small price to pay for extra privacy and less ISP related headaches. ProtonVPN offers an unlimited bandwidth free tier too.

I do this, and it's lovely. Whole house VPN FTW - guest network for any "sus" devices.

Can't personally argue in favor of ProtonVPN, I'd say avoid that. Mullvad for me, for now, permanently open to even better solutions.

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PolarKraken lemmy.dbzer0.com PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-03-31
#63 · Quote Reply

"most of them are (if advertised heavily)" is quite a claim without data to back it up. At least for the one I tested none of them sent additional traffic over my connection. That's just one data point and I only looked to ones with port forwarding but still far away from your claim. There are a shitload of VPN tests out there and testing id your connection gets used by third parties for not tr...

Eh, "thing I really want, but provided for free" combined with "thing we really want you to use, for free" -

We should maybe put fear mongering directly on that, I think. Free things, that cost real money to provide, that cost no money to use - we should maybe fear monger a little.

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Scipitie lemmy.dbzer0.com Scipitie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2023-12-25
#64 · Quote Reply

Eh, "thing I really want, but provided for free" combined with "thing we really want you to use, for free" - We should maybe put fear mongering directly on that, I think. Free things, that cost real money to provide, that cost no money to use - we should maybe fear monger a little.

Yeah that's way more specific and can get behind - I don't even test any "free" VPNs.

I didn't intend to imply that VPNs are free.

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Wispy2891 lemmy.world Wispy2891@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-13
#65 · Quote Reply

I don’t use a vpn so I can’t seed. Sorry guys

Uploading [160 TB of] Pirated Books via BitTorrent [for profit] Qualifies as Fair Use, Meta Argues

Meta also argued that the BitTorrent sharing was a necessity to get the valuable (but pirated) data. In the case of Anna’s Archive, Meta said, the datasets were only available in bulk through torrent downloads, making BitTorrent the only practical option.

“Meta used BitTorrent because it was a more efficient and reliable means of obtaining the datasets, and in the case of Anna’s Archive, those datasets were only available in bulk through torrent downloads,” Meta’s attorney writes.

If billionaires can massively pirate EVERYTHING in bulk for profit, why individuals can't pirate a single item for personal consumption?

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amnesiacsardine sh.itjust.works amnesiacsardine@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-02-09
#66 · Quote Reply

From a user perspective it's not a problem. I'm just sad what an abomination my beloved pre-reddit has become. Also it's super weird like using bicycles for international shipping instead of container ships without telling the user and hiding the whole process in the background.

Yeah I totally get what you mean. Keep it mind that Usenet was already abandoned in the traditional sense by the time the warez scene took it over. Silver lining is that warez is keeping it alive. We could still keep it going in discussion groups.

Are you still using Usenet as it was meant for? Do you know of any newsgroup that are particularly active to this day?

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PolarKraken lemmy.dbzer0.com PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-03-31
#67 · (edited) Quote Reply

Yeah that's way more specific and can get behind - I don't even test any "free" VPNs. I didn't intend to imply that VPNs are free.

Good chance I'm just annoyed and arguing with the wrong person, probably even about the wrong thing lol.

My mistake. I appreciate you.

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Valmond lemmy.dbzer0.com Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-11-13
#68 · Quote Reply

That's what VPNs are there for! Ze German setup: gluetun and qbittorrent via docker, qbittorrent only going over gluetuns network. This way we can return what we take tenfold and still come out on top!

Yeah, I have had some insane ratios, it's interesting what people dig the most 😁

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affenlehrer feddit.org affenlehrer@feddit.org
Joined: 2025-03-06
#69 · (edited) Quote Reply

Yeah I totally get what you mean. Keep it mind that Usenet was already abandoned in the traditional sense by the time the warez scene took it over. Silver lining is that warez is keeping it alive. We could still keep it going in discussion groups. Are you still using Usenet as it was meant for? Do you know of any newsgroup that are particularly active to this day?

I'm not using it any more and I last time I tried it was overwhelmed with spam. I agree that warez are keeping it alive nowadays. At least it's infrastructure, the soul is gone.

On a side note: There are still a few active BBSs around.

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Mr_Dr_Oink lemmy.world Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-12
#70 · Quote Reply

I'm not trying to give unsolicited advice but you can get a VPN subscription for 1$/month and put it on your router to get your whole house covered. Seems like a small price to pay for extra privacy and less ISP related headaches. ProtonVPN offers an unlimited bandwidth free tier too.

Free proton doesnt allow torrent downloads btw

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42beansinapod discuss.tchncs.de 42beansinapod@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2025-11-09
#71 · Quote Reply

I have been able to convince more genz to seed than I know adults who torrent at all

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Blackmist feddit.uk Blackmist@feddit.uk
Joined: 2023-07-04
#72 · Quote Reply

do you have port forwarding enabled?

Most VPNs don't allow that, and those that do look shady as fuck.

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𝜯𝐞𝐡 𝜝𝐚𝐦𝐬𝐤𝐢 lemmy.world TehBamski@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-23
#73 · Quote Reply

Most VPNs don't allow that, and those that do look shady as fuck.

Proton VPN

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LwL lemmy.world LwL@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-09-07
#74 · Quote Reply

Yep, in my country it’s illegal to provide copyrighted material, but it’s legal to download for personal use. Sorry.

Just fyi you cannot really stop seeding completely, torrents work in tiny chunks and the moment you have one of them you can provide it to others.

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𝜯𝐞𝐡 𝜝𝐚𝐦𝐬𝐤𝐢 lemmy.world TehBamski@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-23
#75 · Quote Reply

I'm not trying to give unsolicited advice but you can get a VPN subscription for 1$/month and put it on your router to get your whole house covered. Seems like a small price to pay for extra privacy and less ISP related headaches. ProtonVPN offers an unlimited bandwidth free tier too.

Did you mean to add a zero to that monthly amount?? Because a VPN sub for just a dollar a month is SUPER sus.

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Strider lemmy.world Strider@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-09
#76 · Quote Reply

That's what VPNs are there for! Ze German setup: gluetun and qbittorrent via docker, qbittorrent only going over gluetuns network. This way we can return what we take tenfold and still come out on top!

Once you've had a legal letter due to an accident and over eager lawyers with easily costs beginning at several thousands you might change your opinion.

And yes, I had that. For 3 hashes of 3 files of a TV series.

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Scipitie lemmy.dbzer0.com Scipitie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2023-12-25
#77 · Quote Reply

Once you've had a legal letter due to an accident and over eager lawyers with easily costs beginning at several thousands you might change your opinion. And yes, I had that. For 3 hashes of 3 files of a TV series.

No it doesn't. Because it's not an opinion but a description on how to not get into the situation you've described - i.e. about personal security.

What I've described prevents a link between you and your online actions - that's the whole point. It's the defense against surveillance and can be applied on situations with way higher risk than just a fine.

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qwerty discuss.tchncs.de qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-06-12
#78 · (edited) Quote Reply

Did you mean to add a zero to that monthly amount?? Because a VPN sub for just a dollar a month is SUPER sus.

https://vpn.simplifiedprivacy.com/ has a $1/month sub and you can pair it with their https://hydraveil.net/ tool for compartmentalization. Some of their servers are run by known members of the monero community like trusted vendors or market admins. You can also get shared/resold accounts for big vpn companies on https://xmrbazaar.com/ (for example 2 years of PIA for $15 from a trusted vendor https://xmrbazaar.com/listing/xEM5/) or rent a DMCA ignored VPS with monero and set up your own VPN for $7-12/year, you won't exactly hide in the crowd that way but it's better than nothing and should thwart ISP related annoyances.

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Strider lemmy.world Strider@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-09
#79 · (edited) Quote Reply

No it doesn't. Because it's not an opinion but a description on how to not get into the situation you've described - i.e. about personal security. What I've described prevents a link between you and your online actions - that's the whole point. It's the defense against surveillance and can be applied on situations with way higher risk than just a fine.

Okay, I think we're on the same side here, I was just at a technicality.

We need to fix using technical avoidance and fix the law and surveillance.

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Slovene feddit.nl Slovene@feddit.nl
Joined: 2023-07-12
#80 · Quote Reply

Go forth and spread your seed and be fruitful and multiply.

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Scipitie lemmy.dbzer0.com Scipitie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2023-12-25
#81 · Quote Reply

Okay, I think we're on the same side here, I was just at a technicality. We need to fix using technical avoidance and fix the law and surveillance.

Oh yeah! It's sad that users have to have a technical education to use the Internet if laws and what at least I perceive as "right" fundamentally differ.

At least for the moment it's only copy right for me personally - there are countries and laws where this need is way more fundamental :(

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Rekorse sh.itjust.works Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2024-08-30
#82 · Quote Reply

Uploading [160 TB of] Pirated Books via BitTorrent [for profit] Qualifies as Fair Use, Meta Argues Meta also argued that the BitTorrent sharing was a necessity to get the valuable (but pirated) data. In the case of Anna’s Archive, Meta said, the datasets were only available in bulk through torrent downloads, making BitTorrent the only practical option. “Meta used BitTorrent because it was a mor...

Because we don't want our internet turned off, and there are no competitors to switch to.

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Rekorse sh.itjust.works Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2024-08-30
#83 · Quote Reply

It seems to work, I haven't received an email in months. If I leave it to seed for a day I get an email. One day internet providers will block ports and IPs to kill torrents, it's just a matter of time. Can't have people downloading I Love Lucy episodes

Its dependant on the torrent you download. If you choose the wrong one that's being tracked, you will get your IP sent to Spectrum in a legal letter eventually.

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Blackmist feddit.uk Blackmist@feddit.uk
Joined: 2023-07-04
#84 · Quote Reply

Proton VPN

Wait, really? Last time I looked all the main providers had removed it, and the only ones left looked like they were hosted on a toaster.

Might have to look into that when mine comes up for renewal.

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MoffKalast lemmy.world MoffKalast@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-01-02
#85 · (edited) Quote Reply

What sketchy ass VPN's have you been using? Get something from a well known provider like Proton, iVPN, or Mullvad.

Proton and Mullvad are probably fine yeah. Nord, Surfshark and Express are definitely very sus though, Nord even has known ties to Oxylabs.

Torrenting for personal use is legal where I live so I don't have to use any, I'm just saying be mindful if you do.

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cannedtuna lemmy.world cannedtuna@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-21
#86 · Quote Reply

Thanks so much for this. So like, I'm looking to spend at least $15/month unless I can get a discount via a promo code? Might as well start paying for Netflix at that point. Right now I'm running up $0/month with access to anything I want at top speeds for my high speed connection. I don't know if using Usenet is worth it for my situation.

IIRC there’s some cheaper ones out there around $5, but it’s been a long time since I’ve shopped for a Usenet service. The way I look at it is I’m not having to pay for Netflix, Prime, Peacock, Disney +, HBO, HiDive, etc. just to watch the shows and movies I want. I do pay for Crunchyroll, but that’s mostly because I don’t want to pull and store long shows like One Piece, but that might change with their recent price increase.

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Zanathos lemmy.world Zanathos@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-06-21
#87 · Quote Reply

Switch to UseNet. No seedin' required!

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ms.lane lemmy.world ms_lane@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-06-03
#88 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

Then don't use BitTorrent.

Hit and Run is just bad behavior.

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Billegh lemmy.world bhamlin@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#89 · Quote Reply

I only seed things that are legal for me to seed. Everything else is seedn't.

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JackbyDev programming.dev JackbyDev@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-06-13
#90 · Quote Reply

Uploading [160 TB of] Pirated Books via BitTorrent [for profit] Qualifies as Fair Use, Meta Argues Meta also argued that the BitTorrent sharing was a necessity to get the valuable (but pirated) data. In the case of Anna’s Archive, Meta said, the datasets were only available in bulk through torrent downloads, making BitTorrent the only practical option. “Meta used BitTorrent because it was a mor...

Jesus fucking Christ, I didn't realize they uploaded and were able to convince people that's fair use. Torrenting copyrighted content legal now I guess?

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guldukat lemmy.world militaryintelligence@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-23
#91 · Quote Reply

Reseed Linux distros as penance?

I do have a few old programs that I've kept seeding that have like 500:1 ratios

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guldukat lemmy.world militaryintelligence@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-23
#92 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

I've never gotten one leeching, it's when I let it seed for a day or 2. I've got fiber so it's pretty fast

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Victor lemmy.world victorz@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-11-14
#93 · Quote Reply

IIRC there’s some cheaper ones out there around $5, but it’s been a long time since I’ve shopped for a Usenet service. The way I look at it is I’m not having to pay for Netflix, Prime, Peacock, Disney +, HBO, HiDive, etc. just to watch the shows and movies I want. I do pay for Crunchyroll, but that’s mostly because I don’t want to pull and store long shows like One Piece, but that might change ...

The way I look at it is I’m not having to pay for Netflix [etc]

Right, same with my private torrent tracker but for $0/month. I don't think Usenet is for me, I guess. Maybe if my tracker gets nuked somehow, which it hasn't after like 20 years, then I'll have to consider Usenet. 😅

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UndergroundGoblin lemmy.dbzer0.com UndergroundGoblin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-02-17
#94 · Quote Reply

I only seed things that are legal for me to seed. Everything else is seedn't.

You'r already seeding while your downloading it.

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Billegh lemmy.world bhamlin@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#95 · Quote Reply

You'r already seeding while your downloading it.

That's not entirely true. 😐

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thermal_shock lemmy.world thermal_shock@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-30
#96 · Quote Reply

I only seed things that are legal for me to seed. Everything else is seedn't.

If you're downloading illegal things, but not seeding those, fuck you.

If you don't torrent illegal things, then carry on.

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thermal_shock lemmy.world thermal_shock@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-30
#97 · (edited) Quote Reply

Most VPNs don't allow that, and those that do look shady as fuck.

I use torguard, I port forward for soulseek. they setup exactly as you want, you just fill out the request. Been with them 7+ years. I share 0.5 to 1.0 Tb/day on soulseek/torrents. Upload speeds are capped at 5MB/user, 5 uploads at a time on soulseek. 30MB upload cap on utorrent, bound to VPN IP.

I took this screenshot after an update and reboot, so it's not maxed out on speed yet.

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thermal_shock lemmy.world thermal_shock@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-30
#98 · Quote Reply

Wait, really? Last time I looked all the main providers had removed it, and the only ones left looked like they were hosted on a toaster. Might have to look into that when mine comes up for renewal.

Torguard. Almost 8 years with them and love it.

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thermal_shock lemmy.world thermal_shock@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-30
#99 · Quote Reply

I've never gotten one leeching, it's when I let it seed for a day or 2. I've got fiber so it's pretty fast

Sharing it is the catch in USA at least.

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niktemadur lemmy.world niktemadur@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-12
#100 · Quote Reply

Everyone: "C'MON, SEED!"
Bugs Bunny: "NO"

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Darkassassin07 lemmy.ca Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2023-07-01
#101 · Quote Reply

The way I look at it is I’m not having to pay for Netflix [etc] Right, same with my private torrent tracker but for $0/month. I don't think Usenet is for me, I guess. Maybe if my tracker gets nuked somehow, which it hasn't after like 20 years, then I'll have to consider Usenet. 😅

For me, Usenet isn't about availability; but speed, risk exposure, and convenience.

Torrents take longer, even with lots of quality seeds and fast network speeds; mostly because of the seeding process. Plus, while you are seeding: you have to publicly expose yourself as a content host, even if just through a VPN. Hosts are what copyright holders target, they don't GAF about the people downloading, they try to take down the hosts to stop the spread. Finally you have to keep the content you downloaded in the format you downloaded, at least until seeding is done.

I prefer to use Tdarr to automatically transcode downloaded content into h265 (HEVC) to reduce it's size. Most content is found in h264 (AVC); converting it, on average, reduces its size by ~30% while maintaining good quality. Overall this step has saved me at least ~7TB so far (Tdarr reports it's saved 4.8TB, but I converted a ton of stuff with Embys convert feature before implementing Tdarr). That conversion can only be done after seeding or the torrent breaks as the original files are no longer available to seed. Usenet removes the seeding step completely, so I can do whatever I want with the files as soon as they've downloaded, which in it self only takes 5min.

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