If you mention (and especially if you complain about) downvotes, you're gonna receive them from everybody. That's just how it is. It's fake internet points, they don't matter.

That's crazy. I never had any of these issues living in Japan. Why does the EU make it so much harder than Japan does?

Off topic but I hate that that phrase is backwards. If you have a cake you can eat that cake or you're in the process of eating it ("having cake"). If you eat a cake you can't then have it other than having it in your belly.

I know I'm being pedantic and off topic, but you're getting downvote to hell so what's it matter?

This is also very true. OP may have picked up a few "Hate Followers" too, I know I have picked up a few along my time on the internet. They just can't be bothered to use the block feature, I guess. Or they think they are getting back at them.for some reason, which is pretty sad if someone thinks fake internet points matter that much.

I remember when I used to have a Reddit account that had Hate Followers, I would make a post or comment that would almost always end in a high positive vote count, but in less than 60 seconds of posting it the vote count would be zero for like an hour before the vote count turned positive lol. Always had one or two comments from the same accounts that werent even related to whatever I was talking about. I used to get a good chuckle out of it.

You have residency, but do you have an official French ID, like a police ID? In Finland at least the residency permit does not count as a valid ID and you have to get a separate one (like a driver's license or police ID) in order to for example open a bank account.

I'm wondering how the fuck are they even gonna know you paid them or not. If I am living in Germany, with a German employer, why the fuck are they telling the US what my wages are?

I got it as a baby with no money

Never tried that. Worth emailing their rep probably.

You only have to pay taxes for 10 years after expatriation if you set foot on US soil for more than 30 days during that period.

I got mine for free, how much did you pay for yours?

This is not because anyone wants to discriminate against Americans (maybe they do, but it's unrelated to this rule), but because of rules the US forces on the rest of the world. There are special tax reporting rules for US Persons that banks have to obey if they want to be able to do business with the US at all. If you can't or don't want to follow those special rules, avoiding having US Persons as customer is the easiest way to comply.

I've worked for several Dutch banks, and US Person is a special category they have to deal with. No other nationality has this. Maybe Ethiopia? But that's easily ignored. But nobody ignores the US. They have no choice but to comply. Vote for a different tax code if you don't like it.

It's not because they banned us citizens. It's because the us government is one of the few ones that wants to tax stuff that their citizens earned in other countries, so banks and similar they need to report wealth and income to the government

The checkbox isn't "if you're American we can't offer you services", when you select that, then you have an extra form to fill, that's it

Because otherwise none of their customers will be able to do business with the US. They would like their customers to be able to do business with the US, so their only options are to either follow reporting rules for US Persons, or avoid having US Persons as customer. It sucks, but it's the US government forcing this on everybody, and because of the economic dominance of the US, the rest of the world has no choice but to comply.

I think you can usually deduct the taxes you pay elsewhere, but you will still have to file your taxes, which is apparently a rather painful process in the US.

The rule is not just for US citizens, but for a specific category called "US Person", which is broader, and I think it includes anyone with any tie to the US. I believe having American parents, having had US citizenship even if you renounced it, or having had a greencard, also count. Though I don't know the exact rules.

The rule is way too broad, and you can't get rid of it. I've heard of people who've never set foot in the US who discovered later in life that they were US Persons, and it sucks. Their banks force them to comply because otherwise the bank can't do business with the US.

No they don't, this is why Boris Johnson gave up his American citizenship.

(https://www.ftadviser.com/content/7fdbf645-1cc6-5f78-b01b-10c9c9eff904)

And yet they keep voting for anyone that likes to treat people poorly. I don't know what to think anymore.

Too many people wants to live in EU, so they limit it the best way they can figure out.

Unfortunately that is not a very good way.

Incredibly better than what US is currently doing, but still not great.

You wouldn't download a citizenship

It's it "having" as in owning it? "I have a cake".

You can't eat a cake, and then still have it.

And those forms are no joke.

Wow, I've never seen a post get a whole 100 downvotes before. This is a special moment for me.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Exactly, how about the president pay taxes first lmao

Wish the American populace were brave enough to dump their tea in the harbor like before

It's peak regime indoctrination in action.

Ah, there's the solution.

Stop doing business with the US.

Probably the usual "US deals with foreigner" type of forms. Which threaten horrible consequences if you enter something wrong while at the same time offer only the letters a to z, digits, and a few interpunctation signs. Which means that I cannot enter my correct address in such a form. And for other people it is even worse, like people using Asian languages.

The US, North Korea and

Gotta love how these two countries are suddenly being used in the same sentence all the time lol

This is crazy to learn about. Afaik no Americans in the UK have ever had issues opening bank accounts, even students.

Yeah, taxes are supposed to support services for people living in a country. Their comment is exceptionally dumb.

Nah, all eu countries will honor their tax treaties with the us. If the us gov/irs wants to fuck over their citizens that's your problem.

well and lost opportunity. What makes a reserve currency is people keeping accounts in that currency.

I might be wrong but it could be because America has uhh integrated itself with Japan pretty well ever since they capitulated to the Burgers in WW2.

I only see this as a win.

This is one of those little catches anyone preaching to their relatives to emigrate don't say about.

I live in a third world country, and until Trump, nearly everyone wants a fucking green card thinking it's gonna make them happy.

If you have two nationalities, couldn't you just be sneaky and never tell the authorities of the country you moved to? If you're not planning on going back, for example, what would be the problem?

It's because the us government is one of the few ones that wants to tax stuff that their citizens earned in other countries

One of exactly two.

Oh but the cheap labor from non-citizens should be free from basic human civil rights protections, right?   /s fkn idiot, you make me ashamed to be in the same country with you

is it?

Wait, is there actually countries out there where you don't pay taxes?

I'm guessing they must run off a very heavy business tax because the money has to come from somewhere in order for the government to be able to operate.

Or is it the gov just says "this will happen" and always has a blank check with no requirement to repay.

Don't misunderstand my comment. I think it's ridiculous for a country to expect you to pay taxes without living there. But like, taxes would be your citizenship burden

I want to add that renouncing your citizenship also isn't a valid option for many during the stages they talked about

One of the hard requirements for renouncing your citizenship is having citizenship in another country, and that is easier said than done in many countries. Like for example, Canada, you have to be a perm resident in the country for four years and also have lived there for the past six, Mexico requires 5 years. most of the EU has 5-10 years as their resident requirement.

And that's also ignoring the cost that they require of a citizen to renounce their Citizenship. It's 2300+ USD to do if you manage to get it first try, and that can be denied still.

Once you are established somewhere else as a citizen, fully agree. But that's defo easier said than done.

That's a really hasty (hazy?) generalization of the US. The 50501 riots should tell you that a large fraction of Americans are not for this, but their heavily gerrymandered voting system shackles them to it

Sounds like fraud. As long as no one finds out you'd probably get away with it, but you would be committing tax evasion according to US laws.

If you really don't want to go back you can get rid of your US citizenship and avoid the problem.

That's what I'm saying, yes.

I wonder if you could/would get extradited for not paying taxes to Uncle Sam. 🤔

But yeah, just renouncing the citizenship seems to be the way forward if you're not planning on coming back.

Looks like you're right, thanks for the link! Even though most of these countries only tax non-resident citizens if specific conditions aren't met, there still appear to be more than two that do it more or less unconditionally.

My experience is that in most cases, when asked about your nationality in a form it's easier and normal to only give one nationality.

Like at the airport, even if I have multiple nationalities I only give one passport, I just have to make sure it's the right passport (the one with the visa for example).

However in there case of back accounts, insurances ... They ask specifically "are you a U.S. citizen ?". In this case answering no to this question would be a clear lie.

Don't think extradited, but US would try to garnish/seize money going into that account, which is why foreign banks don't want to deal with the hassle of having a US customer. The extra legal requirements to have an account for you is just not worth it to them. The exception is only when you have a great deal of money, and then they can actually make money from your deposits. But then that amount of money in a bank is a sure sign you don't know how to manage your money.

Yes it's a pretty short list and with some caveats. Actually I almost didn't double check when reading your message, as "only the US and some dictatorship" (e.g. use of metric system) is usually how these things go, but I was curious and found the wiki page.

I know all that. But even if it's not the majority, it's still s looot of people.