This is one of several scenes that I bet the actors never expected to be released in 1080p....

But you'll agree that they can't be mad at once for Tilli not being fit and for the students in Academy for being too fit.

I care on how it's done, what the writers do with it. I despise the current writers of Trek and they haven't been able to make a single interesting topic, or do anything interesting with the topics they borrowed.

I hear "gay Klingon" and all I see is another excuse to call everyone who hates NuTrek a bigot.

Missing the issue entirely.

Problem is the current writers and showrunners declaring "firsts" and patting themselves on the back for things that have already existed in Star Trek.

No offense, but at least match the skin tone of the gum forehead.

man it's just crazy all the boxes that have to be checked in order to celebrate lgbt representation! its like the bar is set impossibly high! ugh! so crazy.

Obviously you are not a bigot and think representation is a good thing too! thats why it sucks that everything has to be just so perfectly aligned in order to celebrate it! ugh!

You genuinely think NuTrek is celebrating LGBTQ+ representation? XD

You poor innocent soul. You must think the rainbow logos from major corporations in June are sincere too!

NuTrek is nothing more than low effort slop that's using the queerness as a shield from criticism. You're defending shallow tokenism as "high bar".

You’re the one who’s missing the point, in a way that betrays your ignorance about the subject. There were no outwardly gay Klingons who preceded Jay-Den. Calling him the first is only imprecise because he’s tied for that title with another character introduced in the same episode.

weird how many hoops you are willing to jump through to discourage anyone talking about the gays in a positive way 🤔

protip next time you want to LARP as a non bigot, don't call it "nutrek" that's a dead giveaway

It only deserves to be called "NuTrek". It's a shame you lack the awareness or the standards to see that.

At that point you're splitting hairs. Like the big poster headline that said Michael Burnham was "the first ever black woman as the lead character", witch both shits all over Nichelle Nichole's contribution and is also true in the idea that Star Trek never had "THE main character", as in singular.

NuTrek is wholly irredeemable.

You know, there's a solid case to be made for what you're saying, but you should know you're not doing a good job of making it.

I think there are people who would agree that the choices seem shallow or pandering (not a claim I'm making, just recognizing others might). But if you don't say clearly why the writing disappoints you, you don't have any justification to be indignant when people assume that it's because you're a bigot.

I'm not accusing you of that. I'm just telling you how your comment reads.

Your opinion on that could only hold any weight if you’d been watching it, which you obviously haven’t, since you just tried to argue that the creators of Jay-Den tried to steal clout from the creators of Lura Thok.

How many comparisons to DS9 and TNG need to be made before people who defend NuTrek finally get it?

I've tried the long ass format of showing before. In great detail. It gets the exact same reaction as what I currently write. So what's the bloody point?