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Kurroth aussie.zone Kurroth@aussie.zone
Joined: 2023-07-11
#52 · Quote Reply

This is just the beginning. You think it's just about ID? Politicians in both the UK and Australia have spoken about banning VPNs, because VPNs have been used to avoid age verification in those countries.

I don't think anyone relevant in Australia has yet suggested banning VPNs. Too much gov infrastructure runs on them.

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FukOui lemmy.zip FukOui@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-12-26
#53 · Quote Reply

Plausible considering it's been shown that meta is the one responsible for lobbying this shit

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freedickpics lemmy.ml freedickpics@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-09-16
#54 · Quote Reply

Want a real schizo theory? People are going to use the ID verification thing to see which accounts are child accounts, pull all details for those accounts and make a database of children's accounts, and then sell that information to bad actors who plan to traffic children.

Doesn't even need to be intentional when there are virtually no consequences for leaking that info

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MDCCCLV lemmy.ca MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2024-12-20
#55 · Quote Reply

Hazarding a guess that they feel OP is using schizo as a shorthand reference for crazy/delusional, given the context is Internet conspiracy theories. They possibly feel that it is being used as a perjorative which disrespects folks who struggle with schizophrenia. In essence, calling something you find crazy "schizo" is the same as calling something you find dumb "retarded". I don't have a dog ...

Lol, I bet removed is gonna be a slur someday.

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maplesaga lemmy.world maplesaga@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-11-30
#56 · (edited) Quote Reply

My theory is its war with China. The US has likely alerted other country that China will do to them that the US does to Iran, using social media to guide elections.

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collapse_already lemmy.ml collapse_already@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-11-29
#57 · Quote Reply

The bad news for the AI goons is that the capitalists have squeezed us so hard that we no longer have any money to spend on the products we're programmed to lust after. Not sure what the end game is.

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LemmyKnowsBest lemmy.world LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-11-11
#58 · Quote Reply

I don't love the word schizo, but otherwise I am on board

Agree because it's a real mental illness that some people are tornented with, and that word should not be thrown around playfully.

The word I didn't love from OOP was "unironically." I truly don't love that word.

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new_world_odor lemmy.world new_world_odor@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-01-27
#59 · Quote Reply

And so JUUL, which is made from all the main ingredients of a cigarette, is not a cigarette? And it’s not advertised heavily on social media like Snapchat, where most youth are? Instead of the fucking nascar?

I think you make a fair point here, partially. However, Marlboro could also advertise on snapchat if they wanted. Now there's no doubt something like that would catch massive eyes, landing them in hot enough water to probably change the law around it. If Marlboro leadership saw Juul as a threat, that would make sense to do. They lose a pittance in advertising and court fees, and cut off a competitor from an advertising stream.

But they're not a threat, they're an asset. Altria, the parent company of Philip Morris and NJOY, has a 35% stake in Juul. Altria is incentivized to keep their piles of shit separate.

Vaping has the potential to be healthier than cigarettes, socially and physically. But not when it's almost entirely controlled by companies that have a history of marketing to children. It's physically healthier sure, but only 107 countries have laws regulating the age for vaping, vs 188 for cigarettes. The e-waste factor is also huge, something that a lot of people who vape choose to ignore and I wish they couldn't. I vape myself, have for years, and it's a shit state of affairs with how popular disposables are. But I don't know what the realistic solution is. People are going to use tobacco products in a dystopia.

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imjustmsk lemmy.world imjustmsk@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-03-15
#60 · Quote Reply

What a beautiful world we live in.

(my first ever post in the fediverse lol)

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ayyy sh.itjust.works ayyy@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2024-06-20
#61 · Quote Reply

What a beautiful world we live in. (my first ever post in the fediverse lol)

You’ve made the right choice. Just watch out for the crazies, they mask well.

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ayyy sh.itjust.works ayyy@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2024-06-20
#62 · Quote Reply

what's your problem with the word schizo?

Schizophrenia is a real, serious disease. It means a specific diagnosis that isn’t just 🤪

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ayyy sh.itjust.works ayyy@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2024-06-20
#63 · Quote Reply

Hazarding a guess that they feel OP is using schizo as a shorthand reference for crazy/delusional, given the context is Internet conspiracy theories. They possibly feel that it is being used as a perjorative which disrespects folks who struggle with schizophrenia. In essence, calling something you find crazy "schizo" is the same as calling something you find dumb "retarded". I don't have a dog ...

This is a great answer. It is worth noting that the word “dumb” used to literally mean what we now say is “non-verbal”. Funny how language changes.

See also: “lame”.

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IratePirate feddit.org IratePirate@feddit.org
Joined: 2026-02-02
#64 · Quote Reply

The advertisement goons are now incapable of determining who is a bot and who is an actual human.

Bullshit. Social networks track the living shit out of everyone and know exactly what's human traffic and what isn't. Device identifiers (user agent, IP ranges, browser fingerprint, (lack of) ad id, etc.) and behavioral patterns (including purchase history) differ wildly.

Advertising to children is a general no-no from politicians, or something,

Bullshit. Even advertising to kids were outlawed (it isn't), politicians could be just bought off by advertisers to turn a blind eye. This is particularly true for the land of their formerly free and home of the formerly brave where corruption is now an above-the-counter item, practiced out in the open by the president himself.

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bitwolf sh.itjust.works bitwolf@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2024-11-20
#65 · Quote Reply

If of wasn't Metas involvement, I was thinking it would be the first stab at a social credit system.

Is definitely a ploy to identify us all and certainly not to protect children.

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murmelade lemmy.ml murmelade@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-03-04
#66 · Quote Reply

Want a real schizo theory? People are going to use the ID verification thing to see which accounts are child accounts, pull all details for those accounts and make a database of children's accounts, and then sell that information to bad actors who plan to traffic children.

Palantir Orphan Hunter

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ivn tarte.nuage-libre.fr ivn@tarte.nuage-libre.fr
Joined: 2025-09-22
#67 · Quote Reply

This isn't even a conspiracy theory, it's been investigated and found to be mostly true. https://tboteproject.com/git/hekate/attestation-findings

That's actually vx-underground source for this post: https://xcancel.com/vxunderground/status/2032562782248349793#m

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GaMEChld lemmy.world GaMEChld@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-14
#68 · (edited) Quote Reply

🧩 Hyper Rationalizing Autistic person here. My condition makes me view reality as systems within systems within systems with infinite recursion.

I have read this post.

I have not detected logical inconsistency in this theory... And all the facts that I know seem to support the hypothesis.

And yes I know I sound like AI. Ironically, AI tools tell me that too. 😅

If anyone wants to introduce a new premise or fact into the hypothetical scenario, I'll let you know if it makes sense or not (to me).

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msage programming.dev msage@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-06-12
#69 · Quote Reply

I never thought about it until I clicked on this link, but repositories are actually a really good format for investigative journalism. Allows you to organize all the supporting documents alongside the article in an organized way.

It's great for most written things in society.

Laws? Oh yes, please.

Any official communication? Thank you.

Even mundane things like cooking guides would benefit from history and versioning. Imagine entire family sending their branches for favourite pie/turkey/whatever else.

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FauxLiving lemmy.world FauxLiving@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-02-10
#70 · Quote Reply

Just fyi the word "conspiracy" does not by definition mean it's bullshit. Like for example https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1rshc1f/i_traced_2_billion_in_nonprofit_grants_and_45/

(I mean on OG reddit, where people would ironically make up conspiracies (like birds aren’t real (which they aren’t, but it was first discovered on r/conspiracy unironically [wake up sheeple])))

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obey lemmy.wtf obey@lemmy.wtf
Joined: 2025-06-13
#71 · (edited) Quote Reply

So what every website will have to have age verification? Or else if your website lacks such controls you go to jail?

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silasmariner programming.dev silasmariner@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-07-01
#72 · Quote Reply

The advertisement goons are now incapable of determining who is a bot and who is an actual human. Bullshit. Social networks track the living shit out of everyone and know exactly what's human traffic and what isn't. Device identifiers (user agent, IP ranges, browser fingerprint, (lack of) ad id, etc.) and behavioral patterns (including purchase history) differ wildly. Advertising to children is...

I thought land of the free and home of the brave was Scotland

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rnercle sh.itjust.works merde@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-27
#73 · Quote Reply

Agree because it's a real mental illness that some people are tornented with, and that word should not be thrown around playfully. The word I didn't love from OOP was "unironically." I truly don't love that word.

what's your problem with the word "unironically" ?

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BarneyPiccolo lemmy.today BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
Joined: 2025-06-30
#74 · Quote Reply

So what every website will have to have age verification? Or else if your website lacks such controls you go to jail?

Eventually every USER will have to be identified on the Internet, to prove their age, so that we know they aren't children, because we want to protect children.

So I have to allow everything I say or do on the Internet to be exposed to the entire world, because parents can't be bothered to supervise their children's Internet use.

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TrackinDaKraken lemmy.world DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-02-26
#75 · Quote Reply

I don't think anyone relevant in Australia has yet suggested banning VPNs. Too much gov infrastructure runs on them.

Well, clearly the government would be an exception, there are always "authorized uses" for every banned thing.

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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In lemmy.world Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-18
#76 · Quote Reply

🧩 Hyper Rationalizing Autistic person here. My condition makes me view reality as systems within systems within systems with infinite recursion. I have read this post. I have not detected logical inconsistency in this theory... And all the facts that I know seem to support the hypothesis. And yes I know I sound like AI. Ironically, AI tools tell me that too. 😅 If anyone wants to introduce a new...

New premise.

New datacenters are not for AGI and never have been. The are to support the hyper personalisation of advertising that requires a massive surveillance apparatus and data mining operation.

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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In lemmy.world Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-18
#77 · Quote Reply

The advertisement goons are now incapable of determining who is a bot and who is an actual human. Bullshit. Social networks track the living shit out of everyone and know exactly what's human traffic and what isn't. Device identifiers (user agent, IP ranges, browser fingerprint, (lack of) ad id, etc.) and behavioral patterns (including purchase history) differ wildly. Advertising to children is...

Social networks track the living shit out of everyone and know exactly what's human traffic and what isn't.

Over 80% of Twitter’s accounts are actually bots

The difference now is that paying advertisers are demanding proof that their adverts are reaching humans, not bots.

Why are you given adverts for products you've just bought? So that paying advertisers can be tricked by the data into thinking their advert resulted in a sale.

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Earthman_Jim lemmy.zip Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-12-28
#78 · Quote Reply

test

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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In lemmy.world Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-18
#79 · Quote Reply

what's your problem with the word "unironically" ?

I bet they write a 10 paragraph essay on why the word "unironically" is pretentious.

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kablez lemmy.world kablez@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-01-02
#80 · (edited) Quote Reply

Advertising doesn't seem like a large enough lever to drive something this globally coordinated.

My read is that governments and large institutions are preparing for the kind of systemic instability climate change is going to produce.

Across the world we're already seeing laws and policies that quietly restrict the ability to organise, protest, or remain anonymous online, while surveillance capabilities expand at the same time. None of this is particularly popular, yet it keeps happening.

Why?

Because the next few decades are likely to involve continuous pressure from climate-driven problems: migration, water shortages, falling crop yields, energy instability, and the political conflict that follows when resources get tighter.

From that perspective, universal ID verification online isn't mainly about ads or "protecting the kids". It's about mapping who is who, who talks to who, and how information spreads.

If you expect future mass unrest, protest movements, or large-scale political instability, that kind of data becomes extremely valuable.

And historically, elites often choose to invest more effort in managing the consequences of systemic problems than in solving the underlying causes.

So instead of "AI spam broke advertising", the bigger story might be that institutions are building the infrastructure to monitor and manage populations during a much messier future.

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eleitl lemmy.zip eleitl@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-06-05
#81 · Quote Reply

This is just the beginning. You think it's just about ID? Politicians in both the UK and Australia have spoken about banning VPNs, because VPNs have been used to avoid age verification in those countries.

If you want to see where we're going, look no farther than Russia's Internet. Which is currently much worse than China's.

So be prepared for your service to be degraded to unusability.

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eleitl lemmy.zip eleitl@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-06-05
#82 · Quote Reply

Which is stupid. Kids aren't using vpns. Most good ones cost money. And kids aren't very tech savvy these days. Most grow up with phones and tablets only. They don't even know how to use a keyboard or a PC.

Hello, this was never about kids. Do you routinely believe what politicians are telling you?

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thedeadwalking4242 lemmy.world thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-08-10
#83 · Quote Reply

🧩 Hyper Rationalizing Autistic person here. My condition makes me view reality as systems within systems within systems with infinite recursion. I have read this post. I have not detected logical inconsistency in this theory... And all the facts that I know seem to support the hypothesis. And yes I know I sound like AI. Ironically, AI tools tell me that too. 😅 If anyone wants to introduce a new...

Humans are illogical creatures who hype over irrational things. Some random key players pulling strings to heard the mob just a little but no greater strategy exists then "make money by any means possible fuck everyone else""

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ArmchairAce1944 discuss.online ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
Joined: 2025-07-02
#84 · Quote Reply

It is the third option. For a schizo conspiracy it makes a lot of sense.

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Kurroth aussie.zone Kurroth@aussie.zone
Joined: 2023-07-11
#85 · (edited) Quote Reply

Well, clearly the government would be an exception, there are always "authorized uses" for every banned thing.

Considering there is no internal infrastructure, it would be way to tricky to allow public only assets access and enforce the gaps. They already aren't , not meant to use it avoid stuff, but people already do.

But again, feel free to provide a source that says otherwise if a relevant member of the lower house has suggested tabling anything.

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Resonosity lemmy.dbzer0.com Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-07-21
#86 · Quote Reply

I absolutely believe this

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ipkpjersi lemmy.ml ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-07-29
#87 · (edited) Quote Reply

How is this a theory? This is literally what's happening lol

Even if it's not advertising itself pushing it, the rest of what was said is true.

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daannii lemmy.world daannii@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-03-08
#88 · (edited) Quote Reply

Hello, this was never about kids. Do you routinely believe what politicians are telling you?

That's my point. Kids aren't even at risk of circumventing age restrictions so requiring IDs or banning VPNs is targeting adults privacy. Not protecting kids.

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metermatic26 lemmy.world metermatic26@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-02-16
#89 · Quote Reply

Conspiracy theory? It’s not, it’s absolutely true. But they left out the bit about the quasi-alliance between big tech and right-wing extremists.

Tech bro’s want to keep their revenue streams, techno-fascists want to remove privacy barriers that stop them from training AI with your personal data and actual fascists want to crack down on public speech and dissidents.

The political right in both the US and EU are continuously working to remove privacy and surveillance restrictions under the auspices of free markets and innovation.

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plyth feddit.org plyth@feddit.org
Joined: 2025-05-11
#90 · (edited) Quote Reply

Social networks track the living shit out of everyone and know exactly what's human traffic and what isn't. Over 80% of Twitter’s accounts are actually bots The difference now is that paying advertisers are demanding proof that their adverts are reaching humans, not bots. Why are you given adverts for products you've just bought? So that paying advertisers can be tricked by the data into thinki...

Why are you given adverts for products you’ve just bought?

You could return it. They have to make sure that you stick to your choice.

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GaMEChld lemmy.world GaMEChld@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-14
#91 · (edited) Quote Reply

New premise. New datacenters are not for AGI and never have been. The are to support the hyper personalisation of advertising that requires a massive surveillance apparatus and data mining operation.

Correct. But not wholly correct. There are legitimate advancements being made by the serious ppl. But 99% yeah, it's a smokescreen and everyone sees it coming a mile away, and they think we're fucking stupid. They have no respect for us, the common people.

They are too busy robbing their own children of a future metaphorically, and then finishing up by raping and eating said children on the island.

Why?

Because:

Darkseid

is.

Edit: Which is why I opted out of the system. I play games for fun. Unfair games are inherently not fun, so I stopped playing. Made a straight 🐝 Line to the exit.

Bought a house when the historic market low hit after 2008 recession during 2013.

Paid it down aggressively in 10 years with a cherry 2.3% interest rate.

Solar panels and efficiency upgrades to decrease lifetime cost of living.

Rent 50% of property for supplemental rental income (charging UNDER market rate intentionally because I am not trying to be greedy).

Filled property tax grievance to drive property tax down as much as possible.

In 2024 I retired at age 38 by allowing my unethical employer to walk into a wrongful termination lawsuit because they are morons who think they know more than me.

Litigation in progress but I can confidently predict the outcome.

They will either settle for 1 million, or take my custom package. If they value their pride they will settle. If they value money, they will take my custom package. If they litigate it will likely destroy their company. 1.6 million in fees and defense costs, a humiliating public loss, and then I will go tell local news just to finish them off for fun.

Oh and I did all that with a few emails and a couple forms for $0. Just answering the complaint alone has cost them $60k so far.

FATALITY.

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GaMEChld lemmy.world GaMEChld@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-14
#92 · Quote Reply

Humans are illogical creatures who hype over irrational things. Some random key players pulling strings to heard the mob just a little but no greater strategy exists then "make money by any means possible fuck everyone else""

Correct!

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cøre leminal.space core@leminal.space
Joined: 2025-10-26
#93 · Quote Reply

https://agelesslinux.org/

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plyth feddit.org plyth@feddit.org
Joined: 2025-05-11
#94 · Quote Reply

It's great for most written things in society. Laws? Oh yes, please. Any official communication? Thank you. Even mundane things like cooking guides would benefit from history and versioning. Imagine entire family sending their branches for favourite pie/turkey/whatever else.

Grandma's brunch grits git branch

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farfalla jlai.lu farfalla@jlai.lu
Joined: 2025-01-21
#95 · Quote Reply

feds corpos

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quinnart lemmy.today quinnart@lemmy.today
Joined: 2026-03-14
#96 · Quote Reply

This is not a conspiracy. Look at who funded the bill, who wrote it, and who funded the opposition to the bill in each state. Every time one of these passes, each legislating body already has the votes the need to pass before the actual bill material surfaces.

Meta has reportedly funneled over $65 million into a network of four primary super PACs to manage this state-by-state strategy. While they appear distinct on paper to "scatter filings" and avoid centralized FEC scrutiny, they are managed by the same leadership: Brian Baker (a veteran GOP strategist) and the Democratic consulting firm Hilltop Public Solutions.

  1. American Technology Excellence Project (ATEP): The national "umbrella" super PAC that serves as the primary funding hub.

  2. Forge the Future Project: The GOP-focused arm, active in states like Texas, Florida, and Utah. It frames the legislation as a "parental rights" and "pro-family" issue.

  3. Making Our Tomorrow: The Democratic-focused arm, active in Illinois and California. It frames the same legislation as "tech accountability" and "corporate responsibility."

  4. Mobilizing Economic Transformation Across California (META PAC): A California-specific PAC focused on protecting Meta's interests in its home state, particularly regarding AI and child safety regulations.

The "Shadow" Advocate: Digital Childhood Alliance (DCA)

The group providing the "boots on the ground" testimony for these bills is the Digital Childhood Alliance. Investigations have found that:

  • Legal Status: The DCA reportedly has no EIN, no IRS registration, and no incorporation records. It is essentially a "ghost organization" or astroturf group.

  • The Meta Link: Internal filings and investigative reports confirmed the DCA is almost entirely funded by Meta, though its website and testimonies never disclose this.

  • The Mission: They are launching Proof-of-Personhood for exactly the reasons specified in this post. By integrating a unique identifier at the OS-level, they are effectively killing the VPN. Soon websites will start requiring that unique identifier to view “adult” content in order to comply with the government.

How will this data be used? I’ll let you speculate, but let me reassure you that privacy is dead and a bunch of know-nothing geriatric pigs come up with a new way to destroy democracy every day.

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kieron115 startrek.website kieron115@startrek.website
Joined: 2024-02-14
#97 · Quote Reply

The advertisement goons are now incapable of determining who is a bot and who is an actual human. Bullshit. Social networks track the living shit out of everyone and know exactly what's human traffic and what isn't. Device identifiers (user agent, IP ranges, browser fingerprint, (lack of) ad id, etc.) and behavioral patterns (including purchase history) differ wildly. Advertising to children is...

Bullshit. Social networks track the living shit out of everyone and know exactly what’s human traffic and what isn’t. Device identifiers (user agent, IP ranges, browser fingerprint, (lack of) ad id, etc.) and behavioral patterns (including purchase history) differ wildly.

https://github.com/xvzc/SpoofDPI plus a browser fingerprinting blocker.

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eleitl lemmy.zip eleitl@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-06-05
#98 · Quote Reply

That's my point. Kids aren't even at risk of circumventing age restrictions so requiring IDs or banning VPNs is targeting adults privacy. Not protecting kids.

Right.

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ParlimentOfDoom piefed.zip ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip
Joined: 2025-09-26
#99 · Quote Reply

"Advertising to Children is a general no-no.." Uhh what? Advertising to children is like no1 priority. That's why Kim K etc is in fortnite, happy meals are bad food aimed at kids and of course standard TV adverts can be heavily aimed at kids, even tho its the parents spending the money.

YouTube Kids has no ads at all because of this.

Google isn't doing this because they're being nice.

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ParlimentOfDoom piefed.zip ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip
Joined: 2025-09-26
#100 · Quote Reply

In the US, the govt allows cigarettes to be advertised to children.

Joe Camel begs to differ

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SillySized lemmy.ml gray@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-07-31
#101 · Quote Reply

Lol, I bet removed is gonna be a slur someday.

I thought dumb and removed already was

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