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PugJesus piefed.social PugJesus@piefed.social
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PugJesus piefed.social PugJesus@piefed.social
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Explanation: 'Dwarfs' as the plural of 'dwarf', and 'elfs' as plural of 'elves' used to be standard. JRR Tolkien, a foundational writer of fantasy in the mid-20th century AD, when writing his (eventually immensely popular and influential) books, The Hobbit, and The Lord of the Rings, he used 'dwarves' and 'elves', even making special note of it so the reader didn't think he just made a mistake. Considering Tolkien was an English professor who specialized in linguistic history, who was gonna try and tell him that they were a bigger authority than him on how antiquated words should be inflected?

This usage is now standard in English, replacing 'dwarfs' and 'elfs' almost entirely.

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IndigoGolem lemmy.world IndigoGollum@lemmy.world
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"dwarves" and "elves" are consistent with things like "wolves" instead of "wolfs", "lives" instead of "lifes".

Fun fact: this never got applied to dwarf stars, which are still "dwarfs".

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kindnesskills literature.cafe kindnesskills@literature.cafe
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"dwarves" and "elves" are consistent with things like "wolves" instead of "wolfs", "lives" instead of "lifes". Fun fact: this never got applied to dwarf stars, which are still "dwarfs".

"Dwarfs" is just short for "Dwarf S(tars)".
The plural is on star, not dwarf, and hidden in the shortened version.

(Source: my ass, pleasedon'tquotemeonthis)

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otp sh.itjust.works otp@sh.itjust.works
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"Dwarfs" is just short for "Dwarf S(tars)". The plural is on star, not dwarf, and hidden in the shortened version. (Source: my ass, pleasedon'tquotemeonthis)

Nah, I think for titles,. it's an exception.

The Toronto Maple Leafs, for example, are not the Maple Leaves.

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Ricky Rigatoni piefed.zip RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip
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I call them milves instead of milfs.

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Onomatopoeia lemmy.cafe Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe
Joined: 2025-01-02
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"dwarves" and "elves" are consistent with things like "wolves" instead of "wolfs", "lives" instead of "lifes". Fun fact: this never got applied to dwarf stars, which are still "dwarfs".

Except the etymology of elf/elfs would disagree, and Tolkien was just wrong.

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PugJesus piefed.social PugJesus@piefed.social
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I call them milves instead of milfs.

https://youtu.be/hT8h4UmuN1Q?list=RDhT8h4UmuN1Q&t=135

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Skua kbin.earth Skua@kbin.earth
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Except the etymology of elf/elfs would disagree, and Tolkien was just wrong.

To be fair to him, he acknowledges that dwarfs would be the accepted version and justifies it by saying that if we talked about dwarfs or dwarves more often in regular English, we might have had a nonstandard plural for them as we do with many other common subjects. Elves also pre-dates him significantly, though I don't doubt that he was a significant factor in it becoming the standard version. It seems there are even some examples of singular elve

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DominusOfMegadeus sh.itjust.works Reverendender@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-07-11
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Explanation: 'Dwarfs' as the plural of 'dwarf', and 'elfs' as plural of 'elves' used to be standard. JRR Tolkien, a foundational writer of fantasy in the mid-20th century AD, when writing his (eventually immensely popular and influential) books, The Hobbit, and The Lord of the Rings, he used 'dwarves' and 'elves', even making special note of it so the reader didn't think he just made a mistake....

#tolkiendidnothingwrong

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