And once you do this there's distcc for the laptops

Fedora is the best. My friend who recently started using Linux persuades me to install NixOS (which I've already tried 2 years ago), but I really can't leave Fedora. Everything just works and are up to date.

I adore the idea of nix. I fucking hate the syntax with a passion.

oh use the .packages but only for this else use a flake and if you want dot files there is this other completely different thing with home manager but if you want this extra config customization or a custom system script then you need to make a derrivatio...

its so damn exhausting.

I just want a list of packages.

That I can put in modules.

And turn them on and off based on the computer I'm on.

And if they are on they should use these dots.

And not look like a spaghetti bowl made of curly braces sourced from json derulos left buttock.

And the system should also have some additional sbctl hooks because we still have not figured out that dracut generated initramfs files don't get purged from the database so I have to have a custom hook to not get error messages every time I paru ahahahAAHAHA...

anyway dcli exists and is a fine middle ground.

Fedora is just a straight line, as I've found.

Yeah, but in my experience it isn't great. Salix is a lot nicer.

Of course, your mileage may vary. There are definitely still a lot of true slackers out there!

But I don’t want to use American software 🤷

Bazzite is already pictured, and OP already complains that it's too boring!

Opensuse is also great: Like Fedora its rpm-based and backed by a corpo and with Tumbleweed you'll get a nice rolling release experience without worries that it's gonna bork itself

Debian Testing kinda sucks, it's like the worst of both worlds of Debian and Arch; updates for some packages can be held back for months because of some blocker, while stable at least gets fastracked to important fixes for security or system stability, and Sid just naturally gets them faster because it's more up to date. Sid is probably better overall, but why use an unstable rolling release without all the convenience that Arch's tools offer? AFAIK pacman is really nice for stuff like making your own packages. Plus it has a much larger user base than Debian Sid, which helps when you're looking for a fix for recent issues.

I don't have any experience with immutable distros, are they harder/impossible to tweak, or just easier?

As soon as I realized distro upgrades are a minefield every time on a desktop

How did you realize that? Hasn't been my experience on Debian and Ubuntu at all, they always just worked for me, and that's despite running a bunch of PPAs for GPU stuff on my Ubuntu install.

based.

Cinnamon can be installed on most mainstream distros, actually. I definitely agree that it looks better than Plasma.

I think Cinnamon might even be one of the first desktops other than the big two that is going to be finished (more or less) with Wayland support.

Personally, I have been using window managers for years. You'd think that would make the transition easier (sway is even explicitly designed as a drop-in replaced for i3wm), but you need to configure so many of the tools around it (task/statusbar, screensaver/lockscreen, clipboard manager ...) and I just couldn't be bothered. I'm definitely past that "tinker with all the things"-stage of being a Linux user ...

Interesting. It seems your mileage truly varies when it comes to distro stability.

You can keep your Plasma release, I'm happy to wait.

I use CachyOS with Cinnamon, so...why not both?

Just use Fedora. It just works.

That's literally Bazzite in this chart

I've found Testing works rather well as a compromise. It's actually very stable, while most of the time, constantly updating. It's only during freeze time it stops noticeably changing. At unfreeze, there is a load at once, but it's yet to be a real problem for me in like 15y. SID is a bit too bleeding edge for my liking. The Arch and SID guys can be on the front line, that's fine. I thank them for their service, but I don't want it quite as interesting as that.

Tune Arch ONCE. Sets you for life

Well, you do you. My Debian Testing install was my only bare metal install that ever broke because of an update (not to say that Arch etc. would have been any better, I just haven't been using rolling release distros since then).

GUIX GUIX GUIX

fasc shitshow unfortunately

The biggest thing that helped me with nix is to realize the syntax is shit because the language is veryyyy different. Entirely expression based, nearly pure functional programing. Everything is a set.

Once I understood that it was much simpler, and worth the time. I never worry about system configuration anymore it just works, and it'll keep working unless I choose to change something in my system flake

Guix then

and also back up in case a borked package(s) appears in an update

definitely!

maybe gentoo?

Isnt leap the stable release?

CachyOS

NixOS -- now I've finally found the endgame distro!

several days later CachyOS is actually much simpler.

Time to learn kernel maintenance

Ah, thankfully I didn't run into that one. I have a goxlr and they broke it for 2 weeks so I did a manual rollback until it was fixed, because having audio is kinda nice.

In this economy? Really, GreenBeanMachine?

I meant Fedora Workstation.

NixOS' learning curve is brutal.

Well that is always the risk from moving from stable anything. It is called Testing after all, and I have found and reported things a few times. I just had nothing I couldn't fix and wasn't fixed later. As I said, it's about right for me. I put most people, and any servers, only on Stable.

But the lizard looks so unserious, my family thinks it’s untrustworthy 🤷

(I went with Debian in the end and we love it)

Agreed. I use Arch, Debian, and Mint with Xfce on all of them. It's stable as a rock in every iteration.

That being said, Debian's the distro famous for out of date packages, so its a little silly that Mint has it beat in this regard, especially when updates to everything else are much more frequent.

I also work as a sysadmin maintaining all these devices, and every time I move files between the laptops running Mint I'm confronted with Xfce's old file transfer dialog. You're gonna love the improvements 4.20 made when it finally hits the repos.

But even so, "it just works" = "this is boring!"

The core files are read-only. You can layer new system applications, but it's not as easy as just installing a package. Most things are handled via Flatpaks. So the base is solid and you can't do much to really ruin the stability.

There is a learning curve, as it's different than normal distros.

Here is a decent read up on it: https://www.linuxnest.com/what-is-an-immutable-distro

I’m gonna have to start having sex since I can no longer justify it on the lack of time.

Nix fixes that.

Pick a side bruh

No. Is there an Italian distro?

ArcheOS

So.Di.Linux

BOINC.Italy Linux Distro (BILD)

DEFT Linux

Sabayon Linux

openmamba

This is why you need to have 2 computers. One to run a boring distro that just works. And the other one for installing distros that you can ride for fun as it goes down in flames.

The best of both worlds.