same here, dint realize there was one. and i also found out through my records i had the vaccine but it dint prevent the severity of shingles though, i had it at 20 since i had the chickenpox prior to the vaccine coming out. varicella is pretty mild for children, but its dangerous for adults, the symptoms are considerably more severe and requires treatment asap.

i think sugar cube was the polio vaccine, i believe they use that for polio virus.

i had my tdap booster last year, make sure people dont forge its every 10years.

"If you don't remember the last time you got a tdap booster, you're probably due"

Used. They don't do oral polio vaccines anymore AFAIK.

Thank you for adding the content warning, I almost opened this at work.

You have the government tracking version. No 5g for you, just constant surveillance.

Speaking of, sitting on the toilet for so long can cause hemorrhoids. You should probably finish surfing lemmy and move, go for a walk like to the store you love nearby. I’m only guess, of course, not tracking you at all…

From the knees up, mostly.

Do they even vaccinate against polio anymore I'm pretty sure I've never had a polio vaccine and I am pretty sure it's extinct isn't it?

It's revival is an n^n^ problem

Serious question - what happened where so many people decided that disease and premature death is superior to vaccination?

BCG vaccine for TB causes scars like this

Mich like in the opening scene of idiocracy: https://youtu.be/Rp1HUcFvJh4

Perhaps anti vaccination groups are just the natural population control trigger to counterbalance the described effect?

But to me it's extra funny because anti vaccination groups happen to closely align with religion most of the time. And they can't see the benefits of mass vaccination so it must not be real, but in almost the same sentence they want you to believe in sky daddy without being able to see him.

It's the confluence of several factor, but essentially, suspicion of the Medical Industrial Complex has been building since the mid 80s. Medical care is so expensive and the MIC so squirrely that it always had people desperately looking for ways around it, which opens the door to con artists. In the mid 90s, discredited now but not at this point in the story British doctor Andrew Wakefield was invested in (and I think part inventor of?) some new vax that targeted one of the components of MMR. In order to market it, he published a paper suggesting (quite softly iirc) that the MMR had some flaws, and advocating for parental choice to vax for each separately.

This is hogwash. The MMR has been safe and in use for something like 100 years (possibly more?). Wakefield was disgraced for this, and when the paper was cherry picked (even after the Lancet retracted it) and misquoted by the then still quite powerful but not yet in their final form anti-vaxxer movement, the disgraced Wakefield had to pivot to a new grift; speaking to Anti vaxxer gatherings, and lending them credibility to those who did not know the story (for which he did have medical license revoked).

So it follows with all of society's issues in the 2020s; Instead of fixing a severe systemic issues, like say, our broken medical system which bankrupts people or kills them because they cant afford life saving medicine, which might involve curtailing the power of capitalists, blame instead pivots to the products instead, which people can understand. They understand their child is dying and they cant afford it, while maybe not questioning why. This opens the door to con men, which starts a cycle, as conmen want to open the door further. The conmen become the power, and then cheating just becomes business, and an army of marks becomes numerous enough that RFK becomes secretary of health, and your mom dies in a hospital hooked up to a ventilator refusing treatment because a conman said a fucking horse dewormer that he owned shares in would protect her.

The good news is they only had a mild case of death

The good news is that once you catch it naturally, you can never catch it again! Can a vaccine do that?

Yes, it's recommended for every child. A total of four doses over five years.

In Germany its part of the multi vaccine with like 5 others.

my mom has the vaccine mark! I remember asking her about it as a young kid and that being the first time I ever learned about vaccines. the idea that we "use germs to train our immune systems to fight them" was so cool to me. no wonder I went into biochem when i grew up (courtesy of having parents who didn't let me die to preventable diseases lol)

Everyone knows that hope, prayers, and fairy bites are all you need to stay healthy.

I wonder if it’s that most of us alive today have very little memory of people who suffered the diseases themselves. Our parents and grandparents knew people who died or had long-term negative effects from measles, polio, smalllpox, etc.

We are insulated from that to the point where some flirt with the idea that maybe the disease isn’t that bad. Combine that with mistrust in the medical system and nobody enjoying getting a needle, and you have some people that WANT vaccines to be a bust to justify avoiding something they don’t want to do.

Have you ever heard about """vaccine hesistancy""" or somesuch from anti-democratic countries like China or Russia? I haven't. The Anti-Vax movement was started to damage democratic countries. Only one of many psyops against the west.

Holy fuck. I'd totally forgotten about those. They would stain the plaque on your teeth so you knew where to brush.

I'm no expert but at this point I think it's a pretty safe bet that things come back if you stop vaccinating against it.

In Pakistan and Afghanistan CIA used vaccine drives as a cover up to collect information like DNA to look for bin laden. This is why these 2 countries are the only places where polio still exists. This also created mistrusts worldwide as well.

And the most outragious part is, some people raised the concerns in the admin that this would happen, but this was CIA and national security trumps everything sso they went with it anyways.

The Conservative Propaganda Machine

During the 50s, it was common to return to school in the fall, to find out 1 or 2 classmates had died of polio over the summer.

My wife's family still talks about little Buzz, a 5 year old cousin who died of polio in the backseat of his car, as his Dad raced to the hospital. It was in the 50s, and the old folks in the family would talk of it like it was yesterday.

Nobody has had that experience in decades, so people have forgotten about it, and our educational system has been deliberately downgraded so nobody is taught anything important any more.

I remember hearing about Jen McCarthy's crusade against vaccines years ago but she was widely mocked on the various online platforms back then.

What happened since that people are now paying serious attention to foolish, disproven theories?

There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead.

Vaccines worked too well and stupid idiots that should be dead are alive.

Polio is not extinct. There is polio in India and Africa.
Smallpox may be extinct, because of the vaccine, which causes that scar.

Ohhh look who knows so much!

Smallpox vaccine was live cowpox virus which causes this scarring. It was one of the most effective vaccines.

Smallpox is a horror.

That feels like a personal attack for some reason

I honestly believe the education system is more to blame than anything besides the anti vax people themselves. There's so much nonsense pseudoscience posted online by uninformed and grifters, then their cult of stupidity fills the holes with comments that reinforce the legitimacy of their quackery. Even reasonable people get sucked down the rabbit hole.

When my son was born my wife had been fed this bullshit and suggested delaying vaccination. I sat her down and was able to address her concerns and get her to understand the science and statistics so he stayed in the doctor's recommended schedule but not everybody is going to have a spouse who cash reel then back in.

Just a quote that seemed vaguely relevant

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this is likely sarcasm and not someone who seriously feels this way.

Facebook mom groups perpetuate this pseudoscience. You are a young mom and want to commisserate with people, but half of them will scold you for things totally not scientifically sound.

I recall posts suggesting cow’s milk would poison your baby if used before 1 year old, yet cheese or yogurt was no problem. I went down the rabbit hole and it was essentially a bastardization of recommendations that breast milk or formula should be the bulk of your baby’s diet rather than cow’s milk, not that cow’s milk was poison.

Another time they scolded a mother for making a fruit smoothie, because they felt she could have overdosed on vitamin A. I’ll point out that dietary vitamin A mostly has to be converted from beta carotene to its active form, so it is incredibly hard to overdose unless you are using vitamin supplements. And yet fruit smoothie mom was in trouble, but eating 10 Big Macs was no big deal, as the magic guidelines never said no.

No, I trust Prof. Hoax

That is a small pox vaccine scar!

There are fantastic demos and ex's.

She agrees, it was the polio vaccine in the sugar cube. She was also unable to get a second cube, as the small white girl in the bright red coat was very distinctive and they told her to stop trying to get another cube.

That’s literally just a normal injection mark… meanwhile mumps complications are way worse. Context matters.

You have missed the joke

!woooosh@lemmy.world

meanwhile mumps complications are way worse

You mean like mild cases of death?

They will live.

Yup, I’ve got one! Now guess my age!