Ah, ok. What's the propaganda though? Are there people actually saying UK should be separate from the EU?

Most folks I talk to have zero good landlord experiences.

Is the propaganda about this still there? Or just not a topic anymore in general?

I don't know about the other four, but John Cleese famously spent his entire career dodging taxes and then -- no surprise -- was pro-Brexit. Also no surprise: he was listed in Epstein's black book.

How does separating from the EU help business men pilfer the UK? Is it because they aren't held responsible by EU standards anymore?

I wonder what's up with Russia and it's propaganda. I keep hearing this often, is it really that pervasive?

it won’t ever be as beneficial as their original EU membership was.

I absolutely agree, that ship has sailed in more ways than one. First UK does not have the advantages they did in the early 70's. Second their disruptive behavior in EU and Brexit reduce the political goodwill from European countries that also existed in the 70's.

So absolutely there is no chance in hell they will get a "half price" membership again.
Still they might be able to negotiate a deal more like Norway and Switzerland.

Still they might be able to negotiate a deal more like Norway and Switzerland.

Not really, because that would mean accepting regulatory alignment and freedom of movement, and paying their share.

People say it's a big, beautiful bear!

The ties were pretty clear with the Brexit propaganda campaign.

As are the ties with other far right movements around the world.

If enough people do something wrong, it becomes right.

"Tax on thingy" does have a few points that sum up different brands of Brexiteers quite well.

On the general conduct of the politicians implemening the whole mess, I could only think of "Upper class twit of the year".

This chap was the leader of Reform, Nigel 'Mr Brexit' Farage's party, in Wales and wasn't careful enough to cover the source of his 'encouragement' to repeat pro-Russian talking points. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c891403eddet

That they tried to get a foothold here via this useful idiot is very worrying. He got off lightly with that prison sentence; treason used to carry the death penalty and taking foreign money to fluff another state while also claiming to represent the constituents who voted for you is easily read as treasonous. I'd like to think those constituents are a little more informed now but it wouldn't be a surprise to see his replacement voted in at the next election.

Eat more shit, billions of flies can't be wrong!

That's one way to put it.

Try this: "Russia is bad for this world"

Couldn't agree more. Paying some amount of money for upkeep and so forth makes sense, be it for your own home or for one you don't own. Paying rent just to make someone else rich(er) should not be a thing in the first place in my opinion, because then the basic function changes from providing shelter to generating as much profit as possible. In every major city this problem is quite apparent: Exploding rents, vacant apartment complexes that only exist as speculation objects, owners not spending anything on maintenance because short term profits are more important than long term sustainability. Man, I could go on, but my mood tanked enough as it is haha

Russia's more than happy to throw gas on the fire, for sure.

But they didn't start it. They're taking advantage of the failures of capitalist neoliberalism in the West for their own advantage, but - and this is crucial - the existence of those failures is not something paranoia about Russia can address.

In the US, you literally had people from the Democratic party discussing how BLM was a Russian front, because the Russians were happy to show how the US treated people. But Russia didn't put those racist cops, Russia didn't give them immunity - Russia didn't make the US have the world's largest prison population that's overwhelmingly minority.

You don't want Brexit, don't have wealth gaps and massive housing costs so people can be pushed to blame their shitty lives on Polish immigrants.

Look here is one of their shills now.

Lol what? You think that because Russia spread some money around Brexit only exists because of Russia?

It's like the idiots in the US that ignore 70 million people voted for Trump, and want to pretend the only reason for that is that Russia spent $100,000 on Facebook ads. Because they don't want to address the actual problems that's destroying their societies. Much easier to just claim it's all Putler or something.

Are you suggesting Russia should be destroyed?

Specifically Russian leadership. Without a doubt. Try this: "Putin is bad for Russia"

Man, sometimes I hate internet discourse, everything is hyperbole all the time and the only recognized positions are extremes.

"maybe next time dont listen to russian propaganda." - "You think [...] Brexit only exists because of Russia?"
"Russia is bad for this world" - "Are you suggesting Russia should be destroyed?"

It's so draining.

PROJECT FEAR!!!

This 'I’m so tired of internet discourse' act is a classic move to shut down a conversation you're losing. You’re conflating a critique of a toxic leadership with a call for destruction because you can’t actually defend Putin’s record. Russia’s military is an international embarrassment and its leadership is a global parasite; those aren't 'extreme positions,' they’re the consensus of anyone not on the Kremlin's payroll. You aren't 'drained'—you're just out of arguments.

Why did Russia bother doing anything if it would've happened regardless apparently?

Dude, I'm not the person you were responding to and I'm on your side in this?

My bad I am not being thoughtful about this, I am responding to russian shills with AI responses I truly am putting in the minimal amount of effort. Sorry!

I mean... come after him for his tax dodging, his extremely bad political takes, his Brexit munching... but just being listed in Epstein's black book with two phone numbers is basically nothing. The Maxwellsteins were socialites and knew people, lots of people, even innocent people. There is nothing placing Cleese at any of their properties or parties. So throwing that at him will only lessen the power of Epstein-accusations against those who really deserve it.

Fuck that motherfucker... but do it for the motherfucking he did, not the kiddy-fucking he (likely) didn't.

Why do I get the feeling this was pumped out by an Abominable Intelligence?

I have no idea if it is, it's the first result of an image-search for "Trump russian bear".

Following the Link it gives the source as "Victor Juhasz for Rolling Stone".
I'm too much a developer to knowingly dirty my hands with AI.

with AI responses

Oh come on!

That is the point!

To aid it and make it worse?

The West pretty much showed to Russia in the 1990s and 2000s that it was going to consider international relations a zero sum game. So Russia is of course going to work to make the problems the US and UK have worse, as the US has done with Russia.

Which the people of UK seem to soften up to, especially now because conditions internationally have gotten a lot worse than when UK voted for Brexit.
There is no way UK can trust USA as a partner now, as they may have hoped for.
Keir Starmer has also expressed opinions that are very close to what Mark Carney said in his brilliant speech at Davos.
Most of UK has realized the times are no longer suitable for standing alone as a so called middle power. Closer cooperation is necessary, and EU is their natural closest partner, both geographically and politically.

There is little doubt we will se closer cooperation in the near future between UK and EU on both defense and economy.

Edit: Typo

Well I never mentioned destroying anyone so I didn't think I needed to specify what needed to be destroyed until that was brought up.

It was never about economic stats, right? If the British public poured over graphs and forecasts, they would not have voted for Brexit.

In other words, if you sent this report back in time, I’m not sure it would make a difference. It’s all about personal anxieties and feels.

Try this: "Russia is bad for this world"

is what I was responding to

I was actually going to say more horrid shit instead of just that but I remembered I have Russian friends and didn't actually feel that way I am just angry.

Sure, and I get that.

But demonizing entire peoples is part of how warmongers get us to support this awful shit to begin with. It's one reason why my take is no war but class war, personally.

Yes. There is a great point a Greenlander made during that recent thing it was something about "hey americans don't say sorry for trump we are judging you as a whole the same way you judge russia as a whole" and I didn't like that so I should have been more careful with my wording.

That sounds like some justification right out of the Nuremberg trial.

I'm not really disagreeing but there was also a big lie in the campaign putting out "we send the EU £50million a week. Let's fund our NHS instead" some people definitely bought into the nonsense.

TBH, Russia is a country and does not equal Russians citizen. Saying that a country or its existence is bad, doesn't mean all people with citizenship of that county are bad. People will still be there when a country is dissolved.

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