Still driving a 2010 because fuck them!!!

Wow, you're an asshole.

I already got a phone why do I need another one strapped to my car?

I haven't looked into them really at all, but their phone app I would consider a data connection, also how is it updating that? Just Bluetooth? Maybe they have that info, like I said, I haven't looked into them much yet.

Riiiught. How is that going to make it cheaper? They can use a bit smaller of a battery to get the same range? That size difference would just be around $500.

No, more like several thousand. In addition to charging faster.

Lol. No it isn't. The batteries are only 53kw\h in size and they're using shitty NMC batteries instead of LFP (or other) batteries because they want the full $7,500 tax credit. $500 would more than make up for the aerodynamics. No manufacturers want to use those batteries anymore because they only last like 2\5 the charge cycles compared to LifeP04, and it get even worse compared to other batteries coming out right now. Really, putting those batteries in something with only a 150 mile range is kind of a shitty move, IMO. You'll need a new battery after 100,000 miles. Fine for a cheaper option I suppose, so long as the batteries are easy to replace and it won't cost $5,000 in labor.

LOL yes it is.

The batteries are only 53kw\h in size

That's the 150 mile model. No one is going to buy that. That's just the model they offer on the lowest rung of the price ladder.

because they want the full $7,500 tax credit

...there is no more tax credit.

No manufacturers want to use those batteries anymore because they only last like 2\5 the charge cycles compared to LifeP04

...WTF are you talking about? Virtually everyone is still using them for much higher energy density and power. Almost no one is using LFP.

You'll need a new battery after 100,000 miles.

Incorrect again.

You should really learn more about what you're talking about before stating it so confidently.

LFP is only typically about 15% less energy dense than NMC. You're dead wrong about EV manufacturers moving off NMC. LFP is cheaper to make and lasts way longer. Only the US has more issue, because we've pissed off everyone else and getting lithium can be a potential supply chain issue.

The tax credit didn't get killed off until the end of 2025. Way after Amazon had already purchased the batteries from a South Korean manufacturer, that was chosen because they have a fab in the US and it was going to meet the EV full tax credit (this is well known and documented. Go see for yourself).

You also don't know that everyone will buy the bigger battery option. The range is supposed to be like an extra 100 miles, but Amazon hasn't given price differences yet. If the base model is $25k, but the extended range model is over $30k, the smaller model may very well sell good. They're just being made as city trucks. Neither battery is big enough or charges quickly enough for long road trips, so a lot of people may not care about the extra range. Depends on pricing.

The 100k battery replacement is pretty spot on. Smaller batteries means more complete charge cycles done faster. NMC noticably degrades after around 800 cycles. The batteries will start needing replaced at 10 years and 100,000 miles.

LFP is only typically about 15% less energy dense than NMC.

That is significant.

You're dead wrong about EV manufacturers moving off NMC

Prove it.

LFP is cheaper to make and lasts way longer.

It's also less energy dense and charges/discharges slower. We've already been over this.

The tax credit didn't get killed off until the end of 2025.

...it doesn't matter? The tax credits are not applied to the OEM when they purchase the batteries, they're applied to the end consumer when they purchase the vehicle. That's why they immediately raised the price of the vehicle when they ended.

Way after Amazon had already purchased the batteries

...what does Amazon have to do with anything?

(this is well known and documented. Go see for yourself).

It's well known and documented that there is no more tax credit.

The 100k battery replacement is pretty spot on.

No, it's spot way off. This has been proven with thorough studies time and time again.

I wasn't sure before, but after this last reply I can clearly tell that you're pretty dumb. I'm sorry for your loss.

Just fyi: my mention of Amazon is because Slate is practically owned by Amazon. They're a separate company but Slate was created by former Amazon ceo's and Jeff Bezos has also invested 9 figures into it. So a slate is pretty much Amazon's truck.

Brother, you've lobbed an absolute myriad of dumb takes here. And you've just added another one. Slate is not even remotely owned by Amazon. None of the executives are from Amazon. CEO Chris Barman is from FCA, Rodney Copes is from Harley Davidson, CFO Ryan Green is from Rivian, CCO Jeremy Snyder is from Tesla, other executives come from Stellantis, Ford and GM. Jeff Bezos is not Amazon. He is invested as Jeff Bezos, not as Amazon. And even if he were, Amazon is not ordering the batteries for them. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

That's awesome