I've been on it for 2 years for weight loss/maintenance and it's life-changing & I wish this existed 30 years ago, my entire life & self-esteem would've made me a completely different person so much more confident & goal-achieving

But they weren't there 30 years ago.

This is a lifestyle problem with a drug solution.

it acts like an appetite suppressant.

the only reason they were diabetes meds was because obesity and high carb intake is the cause of most type 2 diabetes.

All these drugs do is trick the brain into thinking you just over ate.

Ozempic doesn't do much for type 1. It was never approved for type 1.

insulin is practically free to make, is about a couple $ per month without subsidies.

No drug is inexpensive to make at GMP level.

What would you say to someone who weighed about 28.5 stone, suffers with chronic lower back pain that limits movement, inflammation causing limited range of motion caused by the excessive weight, knee problems which limit ability to climb stairs and do things like squats or stand from kneeling or from the floor who eats uncontrollably to get a dopemine fix because they cant get adhd medication because of NHS wait times and lack of in person clinics, which are needed due to hypertension and irregularities on ana ECG and doesnt self medicate with weed anymore due to legality l, access and health issues.

Can't exercise effectively due to weight, can't lose weight to get help with excessive eating due to inability to exercise effectively. Catch 22. I am fucked.

Do i not qualify as having a legitimate reason to take weightloss medication to get me into a place where i can move properly. My quality of life is shit and i have done everything to try to fix it. I have an exercise bike but cant use it for long due to pain in my knees and shins, started swimming to ease the load on my knees but couldnt get any room in my local pool to exercise due to lane swimmers, all the dedicated classes take place whilst i am in work or too close to my finishing times. I need to travel 40 minutes to a pool that does a class at the right time for me. Have kids and house to help with. I took a weightloss course with NHS but lost nothing because it was a pile of crap course that didnt adress the issues people have with weight and only told us all what we already knew and offered a single 40 minute class a week doing low impact exercises in 2 minute bursts.

I started taking mounjaro which i pay out of my arse for, and i have lost 2 stone so far. On track to lose even more. Starting to exercise again. Feel better overall. Cardio is better, can walk further than 30 metres without needing to sit down. Back pain is still here but hopefully will ease off.

Ive never been this big in my life, always a bit chunky (like 14-16 stone in my teens to early 30s) stopped smoking and piled it on over a year.

Its not so black and white.

Lost my best friend of 20 years and I blame this drug. I am convinced rapid weight loss when you've been fat for 35 years is going to be a huge change to the brain as well. Dude isn't the same person anymore

I'd question your mental health.

i tried it briefly for a couple months, got embarrassed at myself for my brief moment of insanity that I had tried it and stopped.

observing all this is beyond my ability to any longer have sympathy for the human race as a whole . Instead of banning cars, starbucks and fast food etal we design a drug to sell to you.

Like many of the endless examples of human stupidity, it seemingly makes lots of sense at an individual level and is completely fucking insane at a societal level.

I'm this particular comment thread, were talking insulin not Ozempic

Thanks I hate z pronouns

everything I want to say to you will be removed

There are the structural things - removing parts of the intestine, installing restrictive bands around the stomach.

Both of them require a surgery and can have HUGE complications. Oh yeah and they are not a permanent solution, just as ozempic they just help to start developing better habits, you will regain weight after sometime if you don't keep a better diet even with these procedures

I assumed your friend died from the first sentence, care to elaborate?

edit: man imagine being angry that a drug has gone generic so more people can benefit from it, i hope all you removed and removed

I hope it comes soon here, I'm prediabetic and was starting to be unable to hold myself up for more than 5 minutes without a sharp pain in my back that made me unable to do a lot of things (except work of course)

Right now I'm on fentermine and it helps my audhd but the main effect is that now I don't feel the urge to eat huge volumes of food just to feel "good" and bloated for the next 4 hours. I already lost 10 kilos and it let me start exercising. Good shit but I'm already on the last half of my treatment

I hope no-one is in a position where their own body betrays them with a chemical imbalance that leads them to not make the best decisions for their health, because after reading some comments some of you would commit suicide before taking any "stupid pill"-

After losing half of his weight he ghosted me and I haven't heard from him in 2 years now.

My best theory is he got female attention for the first time in his life and he subconsciously wrote me off as useless to him now. He got strung along by a couple of girls and he didn't like my opinions on any of that and kind of just got rid of me.

exactly. if that's your impulse... you probably need some better mental health habits and emotional regulation.

I have my own health problems. I am not here blasting other people about them and how horrible and unfair my life is because of them... why is that you think?

This is a food supply problem with a drug solution. You know what happened 35 years ago? Tobacco was banned in most US public spaces. You know where TOBACCO MONEY went? Processed foods. Sugar was replaced with HFCS - not just for the profit factor, but also because of the psycho-bio ramifications of mass consumption of HFCS. These are the same people who did meticulous scientific research on nicotine addiction, inhalation patterns, etc. and never published any of it. What do they know about food that they didn't share, but put into practice in your grocery stores and restaurants?

because you don't care for other people but will whine about other people not caring enough to lose weight

nobody is here "blasting" you they are speaking from their own experience with weight loss and all you had to say was to question their mental health

yeah i lack emotional regulation, like that's a thing for me and people with my condition, at least i know my faults

can have HUGE complications.

Agreed. What most people don't realize is that meds can, and do, have HUGE complications too.

you will regain weight after sometime if you don’t keep a better diet even with these procedures

Agreed. The structural solutions, including brain stim, give a significant period of opportunity for learning better habits - for people who actually want to lose the weight and keep it off it can get them "over the hump" into a pattern that doesn't relapse. Just like opiate addiction, there are things that take significant time for your body/mind to get out of the habit with food, and any addictive behavior really.

Of course if you're determined to live a life of gluttony, these things are all temporary - even more temporary than life itself.

damn that's sad, I have seen this thing happening with people losing weight in general. not like they all turn our like your friend but some of them just behave a certain way due to lack of self-esteem.

no wonder i guess, people usually don't treat you like a person if you are overweight, and then having all that attention went over his head probably

Yeah it was actually chatgpt that tossed me this theory and it makes perfect sense. I don't think ozempic itself destroyed his brain. It was just the rapid weight loss in general which was only possible due to ozempic. Dude went from like 350 to 200 so fast.

Basically said he only kept me around because I was a loser like him and now he thinks he's better than me. I think this nails it.

Of course if you’re determined to live a life of gluttony, these things are all temporary - even more temporary than life itself.

You could just not assume that? It's not about determination, as you said, it is an addiction. The root cause is not a food addiction, we literally need food to survive, but that root cause is different for every person and unless you are that same person you just don't assume shit about intentions or determination.

you do realize he mentions ADHD? i'm sure you don't mean to but your comment implies the mentally ill can just pull themselves up by their bootstraps

i like them because they're immediately understandable in everyday spoken conversation and i used to trigger more people by saying "they's" ("they is")

If you look at photos and footage from like 50 years ago, everyone was way thinner. I don't believe we've just got greedier. I don't believe people were necessarily choosing healthier options. The food has changed and is practically poisonous. People don't want to be this way and I don't think it's fair to blame them directly.

There's a large grey area between determination and uncontrollable addiction.

that root cause is different for every person and unless you are that same person you just don’t assume shit about intentions or determination.

Very true. Some "diet aides" work well, some help a little, most barely work at all. Then there's the influence of environment - how likely a gambling addict is to relapse can be strongly influenced by whether they live in Las Vegas or Salt Lake City. Heroin addicts in Seattle have a much harder time kicking the habit there than in Atlanta.

As for food, do you eat socially? In restaurants? My wife and I have started taking the "Senior Citizens' discount" on restaurant food by simply ordering one entree and sharing it instead of overstuffing ourselves on separate dishes.

All these factors come into play, and still some people in the US are avoiding obesity, but not many - and IMO that's down to the food / social / economic environment we live in here - it's not healthy, but it is good for the medical business.

Ok so putting aside the fact that i talked about having ADHD and it being a big contributor to my eating habits. I list a bunch of physical health problems and how they dorectly impact my ability to lose weight and you question my mental health?

I think its clear that in terms of mental health, you are the one with problems. You are narrow minded, you have a bit of a god complex based on your other comments in this thread, you are arrogant and seemingly ignorant to all of it. What kind of person does it take to give a bad opinion, have that opinion challenged with genuinely good points but still turn around and "no you" it back to me?

The only thing your comment fails to address is everything i said. Its clearly unintelligent, backing down, goalpost moving trash.

I think they meant it.

Then treat it.

I am more than familiar with people like him. I have had relationships with people who made endless excuses, and refused to manage their conditions, and then of course, told me it was my fault. As if I was supposed to magically cure them of all their mental and physical issues... that they actively embraced and enhanced by poor habits and recreational drug use.

When it comes to mental and physical health, yes you do have to pull yourself up. Nobody can do it for you. Nobody can fix my health problems for me. It's my responsibility to manage them. Or I suppose I could just give up, and be a twat about it and incessantly whine to whomever will listen to my self-imposed misery. And go around taking random internet comments as personal attacks on myself... lol

I don't care for random internet strangers and people in the vague abstract mass of humanity, yeah. It's fucking weird that anyone thinks that is legitimate caring. It isn't. It's just a proxy for grand standing and ego-stroking.

I don't care about their experience. It has no impact on what is a massive public health issue. The world is not about them and their individual experiences. And their inability to see usually means they are a egotistical nutjob who thinks everything is about themselves and their personal feelings... which actually is the type of people who give a shit about nobody but themselves.

Randomly going into vivid detail abut all your personal problems to vent at some stranger you feel has aggrieved you in a public space is insane and hostile behavior. I'm sure if I randomly went up to you and started screaming at you about my personal health issues, you'd find that very offputting and offensive and you'd wonder if I was off my meds.

setting aside that not all kinds of adhd are treatable, if you read his post again, you'll see the current external obstacle to his treatment.

or, perhaps, they wanted to show you a different perspective you do not know without aggression

it's weird that you think that is just egostroking, that's where we differ

and you would be amazed by town hall meetings! it is exactly as you said! random people you don't know come in a public space to share their grievances and complains

but hey, if you don't care about their experience then why should i care about anything you say? im out!

don't worry nobody here is taking anything as a personal attack, you just repeat ableist rhetoric that is used to attack anyone with a handicap and i want to make that clear for anybody else reading it

be more of a .ml user. are you a tankie too? you think Chinese communism is going to magically improve your personal problems too?

I've met tons of whiny people my entire life who write essays about their problems. I don't need to hear from more of them. I understand lemmy is full to the brim with them though, who have delusions of grandeur because they PC game with linux or something, and yet they can seem to struggle with basic adult tasks. weird how that works.

when it comes to making aggressive assumptions about what you read, it is your responsibility to pull yourself up by the glasses.

in this case, a certain person clearly mentioned not having finished the NHS's wait time.

https://youtu.be/41_Dd5M80XE?t=252

There is nothing hostile about challenging your narrowmindedness with anecdote. You don't need to care about every living being on this planet to understand that you can't just pull a one size fits all blanket over a problem to make it go away.

There is nuance, individual expereince does matter when discussing public health issues. Your statement about people being too lazy to make the effort is clearly misjudged. The fact that i am one example of evidence of that does not mean i think its all about me. Seriously, you are out of touch.

It is funny that you address everyone here, talking about me, except for me. The person you are talking about.

Why don't you have this conversation with me?

Read my post properly and you might see why treating it is a problem.

You need to stop ignoring the bits that counter your argument because it is making you look ignorant.

And i can't get over that whole point you are trying to make about people (me in this case) making it all about themselves when you are doing exactly that. You are imposing your narrowminded and ignorant view poi t on everyone else. Hilariously, no one agrees. You are on your own on this one.

Please do us all a favour. Read and critically analyse this comment thread. Be self critical, look at it from a view point that is not your own. And understand that my offering a personal anecdote, in contrary to your view is not "an attack" it is not me taking your nonsense as a personal attack on me. It is just me trying to introduce some nuance. Something you may not know.

Isnt the point of these message boards to have discussions with real people from around the world?
Are you really on a social media platform pretending you don't care what other people think?

Wild that mate.....

man what a great argument! sure bud im the reddest tankie there ever was