My sweet summer child... I played aram only for years and my blocklist grows constantly. To be fair: for me, toxic begins by "EZ" and those player will instantly geht mute and block

Yes, Steam have a good games for playing in Linux, no needs this game.

This has nothing to do with league, this will happen in literally any pvp game. If you can’t stand it, it’s not the game’s fault. They give you the option to disable chat and emotes, it was your choice to keep them on.

There was always regular aram (where you get a random champion and its perma 5v5 fighting, basically no strategy) but now the mayhem version gives you “augments” which is kind of like roguelike modifiers. It takes literally all the skill out of the mode so its pure RNG. That means all ranks play together and everyone gets to have fun.

fact: League of Legends used to work on Linux via Proton until R*ot games added anticheat.

So the community got so bad the developers had to intervene to take measures to prevent them from cheating each other out of fake internet points and people still play? Hrm... Doesn't sound like something I'd want to get into anyway.

It is actually the game's fault. Mutes and blocks are a last-line defense, not a first-line defense. Others games do proper moderation and will properly foster a positive community, and while they might have toxic people in them, they cannot be toxic as freely as LoL allowed them to be. Unless you are like, comparing it to a Call of Duty lobby, which is a meme on it's own for the same reason. League is starting to get around to banning people more actively but they should have started over a decade ago.

Player to player interaction is very important for people to enjoy multiplayer games and it's one of the reasons for people to prefer them over single player games. You can't always know who's an toxic moron ahead of time, and it's unreasonable to cut out all of the primarily positive interactions with people because of a few idiots who act like schoolyard bullies and try to put everyone else down at any moments and create a negative atmosphere. Trash talk is fine, but the kind of people that say "EZ" often do so at times where they've already won. In other words, they're punching down, and they're bad winners.

If you do that at a real life event, you're not going to be welcomed back. Because if you ain't got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. And for multiplayer games to survive you need both good winners and good losers, otherwise the only people that eventually stick around are the toxic ones, and the game will die or just be known for it. Like LoL is.

Dota came first

This is true. However, League was the first 'big' moba that was a standalone game and it quickly felt more polished/modern than the Warcraft mod to me.
If dota 2 came out earlier I think I would have never left it and I would have never even tried league of legends.

What, you expect the game to punish players for saying “EZ” at the end of a match?? Not a single game will ever do that.

My bad I was just looking at the prize pool from those old TI tournaments ($12 million). And my information is outdated. Suffice to say a larger audience doesn't mean a better game. In my experience, for every big pop culture phenomenon in history, there's always been a better version of it which goes underappreciated because it appeals to a smaller audience base. Most of the LoL or FPS player base is just a little bit too stupid or impatient for Dota 2, so they can't handle the two year learning curve

Plenty of games will actually ban people that consistently act toxic yes. Maybe not if you do it once or twice. I'm not sure why you think that's so crazy. Even LoL itself if you do it enough and people consistently report you for it.

I will never believe anyone will be banned, on any game, for saying EZ at the end of a game. I’ve known plenty of people who acted like this on every game they played and they never got any sort of punishment. This is not toxic, it’s acting like a child, which will never be bannable. Normal people aren’t bothered by that.

Whether its a better game or not is subjective.

Most of the LoL or FPS player base is just a little bit too stupid or impatient for Dota 2

Crazy statement. Do you seriously think dota players are smarter than any other game in any way?

Well, if you've never heard of it, then it must never happen! You should know this if you play LoL, because they give your messages that your report has resulted in a penalty. Unless you never report anyone toxic.

This is not toxic, it’s acting like a child, which will never be bannable. Normal people aren’t bothered by that.

Normal people aren't bothered by it. But that doesn't mean it isn't toxic, on top of being childish. Besides, children too need to learn that behavior isn't acceptable.
Pretty sure you can easily survive getting spat in the face too, but I'm sure you don't think we should normalize that either if some brats do it.

Is it said purely to attempt to denigrate other people's self worth? Yep.

Is it not said in a situation where it could be considered trash talk and your words could come back to bite you in the ass? Yep.

Congratulations, that's pretty simply toxic, and cowardly, and childish. And you should really wonder if you want to be defending it in this thread of all places.

And you should really wonder if you want to be defending it in this thread of all places.

I agree. Lemmy users tend to be offended by just about everything, even a post game “ggez”.

Lmao, LoL might just be the perfect game for you. Nobody's offended, snowflake.

Definitely. I haven't done the study but sometimes you don't have to. Some games just have a more difficult learning curve than others. Like the average IQ of chess players is higher than that of your average checkers player. But more often I think it's a matter of lack of patience. That's why Dota games are getting shorter - to appeal to the shorter attention spans of our generation

The only way a dota player would be smarter than a lol one would be if:

• The game actively reinforces or weakens IQ, an argument I think we both agree is stupid.
• Smarter people choose dota and dumber people choose lol. A point that sounds plausible on the surface until you realize that nobody “chooses” a multiplayer game like that. They choose a game for it’s asthethics, whether you have friends that play it, its popularity, etc… Not because one has trees and the other doesn’t.

Like the average IQ of chess players is higher than that of your average checkers player.

Stupid argument, there is no concrete proof of that. They are very different types of games with very different goals and a different target audience. That would be like comparing CS vs Dota. Lol-Dota have very few meaningful core differences.

In a competitive game, the energy you don’t put thinking about where your courrier is, you put elsewhere, it does not go unused. The learning curve isn’t important when everyone puts in thousands of hours anyway. It takes you a week max to learn the basics of both games anyway, what does it matter if dota requires an extra day?

This is a silly argument, but it looks like they did the study already and the two games are basically tied for first haha

https://www.whichbingo.co.uk/news/which-gamers-are-the-smartest/

1000 people is nothing, I wouldn’t put much faith in that. But yes, the numbers are close to what I’d guess.