That's lineage... Much better, imo.

Can the OS not monitor hardware level network usage on the device?

I’m curious if nobody has checked for something like that… it doesn’t sound hard to catch.

Huh… why’s this phone still calling homebase?

Maybe if it only activated over the mobile network?

Correct.... The OS can not monitor TPMs. But TPMs can monitor the entire OS.

has much, much fewer settings for permissions and privacy leaking functions. how do you even disable network access for an app?

not true, fairphones support that too. calyxos makes use of it, it's proven to be working

"I'd rather give up all of my data to Google so that I don't have to... have the awful burden of carrying a wallet" lol

For what. Thats a lot of effort for a small userbase. And most importantly a userbase that doesn't see Google ads. Custom hardware is expensive and doesn't provide much additional data for most users and provides unprofitable data for degoogled phones.

Google doesnt spy on us just because they are evil. They spy on us to sell more expensive targeted ads.

If it had, then we'd know about it.

/e/os and lineage is support fairphone, you can have both

Some Qualcomm phones support relocking.

I have a Galaxy S22. How do I do that?

I don’t think you can 😫

I had Calyxos and switched away from it also.
Really like the Grapheneos.
Google pixels seem to be good hardware. I'm going to buy an extra 7,8,or 9 pixel. Not sure if newer pixels will stay as useable.

and the tradeoff includes dozens more permissions related features that don't rely on hardware security features

On the one hand, I admit this is kind of objectively silly behavior.

On the other, I think it’s valuable to consider these things and the role they play in consumer/user behavior. Convenience is undeniably a major/the primary reason many users don’t do what’s best for them.

which is not true, as fairphones also support relocking. Besides, graphene has dozens of other very useful features that don't rely on hardware security features or the ability to relock. and I guarantee you, if another android rom adopted their unique features, they would be loudly complaining that they are stealing code (from an open source project...)

This would still be less secure.

I just carry physical cards. I don't really understand this "every step away from google must be painless" attitude.

google play integrity works at a different level. it checks if you are running a google-approved, "sealed" operating system

True, but then on the upside it's not a Google phone. Which could be more secure from nefarious back doors.

Also there is a part of the Pixel phone which you're locked from reformating -- Is it the bios or bootloader?

I think the bigger issue is that supporting more devices can add a ton of extra work to the dev team, which is small. That could sacrifice the integrity of the whole project.

All my banking apps work fine on Graphene. AFAIK there is only a very, very short list of apps which don't work on Graphene.

The user base of Pixel phones is small? What?

Pixel 10 isn't made in China, and almost all apps work on Graphene just fine.

I installed GOS on an old Pixel 4a I had lying around. It seemed OK so far, but I didn't do a lot of testing. Are you running it with sandboxed play services? How well does that work as compared to MicroG under CalyxOS?

There is a website that maintains the list: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/

No one said it did? It's a service that I find great value in, and one that I had given up for a time and enjoy having access to again.

Everyone has their limit, this one is presently mine.

Why? Google wallet.

There are always trade offs.

I would love to main a Linux phone, as I'm sure many here would. But the present trade offs are too great.

NFC payments are extremely convenient, especially when managing multiple cards - some of which are virtual. It's a service I had, then went without for awhile, and then appreciate having back again.

I understand my initial comment makes it seem like I never carry a wallet true - which is not true - and liking Google Wallet is akin to saying "but I just like smoking" (in this community).

It's great that you don't find it as convenient, which means the trade off isn't as substantial for you. However for my 5 days a week commuting it's a load off.

I think they meant the userbase of grapheneos.

IDs are on phones now in a bunch of states and i haven't carried cash in 20 years. Half the places around here don't even take cash anymore.

Ive never had my phone die on me either.

If we want adoption this needs a solution.

I think you might be right, but it's a little silly to think Google would only install spyware on a tiny fraction of their phones that they somehow had a premonition that GrapheneOS would be installed on.

Sure, it is a step away that carries friction for me.

But you're speaking in absolutes and blanketing "every step".

I've taken many steps away from Google that were not "painless".

Oil I hadn't heard of IodéOS looking into it now as I planned on Lineage for better device support.

Thank you!!

To be fair, it's built on top of LineageOS (credit where credit is due).

Sorry bud. GrapheneOS specifically requires an OEM unlockable Google Pixel phone

You think they’d find a way to obscure it from monitors on the same network, though? Maybe by only activating on a trusted mobile network?

It's both.

Maybe when they support carriers other than T-Mo and their leased partners in the US. T-Mobile infrastructure is dogshit. I've lost track of the number of broken fibers and extremely poor cable routing I've seen on their deployments. I've gotten caught in rats nests of fibers trying to get past their lease on tower climbs dozens of times.

Yeah, I see that. I checked out the list of supported devices, I was hoping for newer, but I figure if it's near on Lineage, maybe the newer OnePlus devices would work too. I just cant get behind $500+on used Pixels. A 12R or 13R would be preferred <$400

I used to like the Pixel a line, which clocks in at around 370 EUR / 435 USD for a new 9a where I live. My next one's likely going to be a FairPhone though, because fuck Google (and it's a European manufacturer).

LineageOS or similar alternatives

It's in the whole EU as far as I know.

Ah fair. All I get is "not available in my region".

What they're saying is that the GOS user base is the difference. The vast majority of users can be spied upon with software alone, no need for hardware. So it's not worth the effort for so little payoff.

Well, the alternative ROM scene has been active as long as Android has, so I kinda doubt Google hasn't thought about whether their software is actually soft and squishy like the name implies, and easy to remove or modify.

The user base of pixel phones that have graphene on them.

Not on the list 😓

I like the fair phone, or nothing phones, but I like the bigger screen and IR blaster that OnePlus offers.