It depends. Does your special one true Sky Man Lord want you to rule the world with an iron fist against non-believers? If so, you may already be a winner!

Paperwork didn't help the partners of AIDS victims who were kept out of the hospital and heard of their partner's passing via the obituaries and then kicked out of their house.

Even today, there are families who would separate sane sex partners and do the same awful things. Marriage guarantees rights, paperwork does nothing to stop the horrible people in our lives that would lash out at the first chance.

Nice. Lima beans are officially outlawed then. Spread the good word of the Sky Man Lord.

I get your point. I'm saying these should extend past marriages.

Why does anyone live in Tennessee?

I think you missed the main term in my response. Union. A union is a recognized formation of parts that work together for a common interest or purpose.

A "union" could be designated to have all rights and privileges that you lay out as only reserved for marriage. But a union could also go further. It could go into any level of granularity that the people of the union specify that might be ambiguous with typical "marriage rights". If marriage defines everything then what's the point of a prenup? Also, ALL of your examples can be superseded by other legal agreements, contracts, wills, etc. For example, a signed power of attorney takes priority of hospital decisions.

I'm making quite the opposite point on same-sex marriage.

I think you made my point better than me.

Your recognized "union" provides all of those rights and goes to any level of detail you wish. For example, imagine a union, will, POA, all wrapped up into one.

If there "unions" and not "marriages" it wouldn't have been issue.

Please explain to me how exactly could I “do paperwork”

You enter into a contractual union that is recognized by the federal government.

@Noxy. Question. Would you rather be "married", with no rights or privileges, to your spouse or be in a "union" with your spouse with rights and privileges?

I hate to say it but religious people claim the word marriage. You can fight all you want but it won't change the outcome.

Anything to be a bigot, I guess.

Nothing stops that pharmacist from doing that though, its a company policy that would allow or prevent it.

If the company policy is they can't refuse then they can refuse and lose their job.

For a small owner run business it could be different though like we wont make you a wedding cake.

Once you incest you just can't stop.

I very much doubt this. there are a lot of regulations in that industry and you can't have pharmacists or pharmacies just willy nilly deciding to not fill prescriptions.

The pharmacy no, the pharmacists absolutely, they'll just lose their job.

This bill is about the individual, so it doesn't really change anything in this example.

that seems reveresed but even then I have doubt. pharmacies should have plenty of regulation and pharmacist is one of those jobs where you have to be licensed. It kinda sounds like at the end you are agreeing with my statement though that private citizens have never been blocked from doing things in their private lives.

I don't recognize eggs or cilantro as food

Yes, I was saying that they can and still do what they want, but can/will still face punishment if they decide to do it because individuality has no place in a company setting. Its the company rules that will dictate if they can or can't do something, and those company rules may also be dictated by laws.

That pharmacist would (should) have faced punishment because it was at work.

Next they'll declare pi equals 3

Nevermind that it's the same thing that makes his own marriage legal...

That's not how contracts work

That's a lot of "could" and "would" doing a lot of work while ultimately still in support of fascist bigoted bullshit.

All hypothetical shit when the actual, currently working concept of marriage already exists

I reject your premise. I have already been married for twelve years. Both of your options take that away from me in one form or another.

I don't give a millionth of a shit what bigots hiding behind religion think or say. They are my oppressors. I give their opinions zero regard or respect. They are fundamentally bad and I will never concede.

The laws for POA would have to change to allow for such a union. There would have to be some kind of protection for wills as well, because there are going to be fights from people against the LGBTQ community.

If all marriages were dissolved and became unions, that might work. Otherwise, it would be a separate but equal thing.

Sky cake!

"Vegetable" isn't a botanical term, and I doubt something like cucumber or corn or snow peas would get the same pushback. The legal designation matters for taxation and is totally normal.

Fuck em. Stop giving religious people special rights and permissions and exceptions and privilege. Give them no new things and start taking away old ones.

ah I see what you mean now. your saying the law won't protect them in that setting. maybe. republicans are pretty good at double standards in the way they do things.

He already did that back in 2022 and made a loud argument that his own marriage should be annulled.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/thomas-wants-supreme-court-overturn-landmark-rulings-legalized-contrac-rcna35228

You know we could solve this problem pretty easily if everyone would just admit citrus fruits turn people gay and make kids trans.

No, it's older than that. It's what militant civilizations were based on, this idea that it was fine and normal to go around with your warriors and dominate other groups while doing everything you could to prevent other groups from dominating you.

Just instead of swords and spears being the main arena to determine who dominates who, now there's a system where words determine who dominates the other in a particular issue and it is enforced by warriors that answers to another neutral (in theory, not always in practice) power.

Yes, but a marriage is legal, this person is basically disbelieving a piece of paper (marriage license). I just want to disbelieve a bean ... Basically the same. Its all organic.

!That's not how contracts work!<

Which part? The entities entering into a contract or the judicial branch honoring contracts?

Now you lost me. Are you saying the current system of marriage works and at the same time insisting I'm the one against same sex marriage?

The part where a contract between two parties (spouses) has any power over anyone else who didn't sign the contract, like hospitals for visitation for example.

Why take my marriage of 12 years away then?

Yes to both. Your original suggestion is to strip me and my husband of our marriage.

My hospital didn't sign my medical power of attorney. Yours did?

No, I'm trying to get your family recognized nationwide by using a different term to remove the barrier to rights and privileges. I'm separating church and state. I'm suggesting the freedom to get "married" by whatever religion accepts people for who they are. I'm saying the government should recognize when two people decide to contribute to society as one.

You can do both is my point. Get a certificate of union from the government (establish rights) and then go get married by whomever you want. Again problem solved.

Man, fuck your strawmans and fuck you. I support gay marriage. Try spinning that however will boost your moral superiority, but I'm not engaging with your bad faith bullshit.