Any of you ever seen an MG Cyberster? Yeah me neither

Pretty sure Porsche's EV models have been quite popular

Harley charged Harley prices (15-25k) for bikes that should have cost 5k. Thats why no one bought them.

Emotercycles still have range issues compared to gas bikes, with most topping out at 100 miles, but other modern brands are either selling them at 5k-10k or have implemented tech like battery swapping to make that range viable. Some companies are doing both.

Lamborghini? The tractor company?
Of course it was always about the feel.

It's just being heavily reinforced now that even the Volvo in my garage can quietly beat them to the next set of lights.

An electric/hybrid powertrain would have made them relevant again, and they could likely get by on style even if performance is a bit lacking.Sad that they're not choosing to do that.

Counter point. Powerful race cars should be gate kept because dumb people with loads of money have killed people.

They also outsourced manufacturing. That burned a lot of goodwill with their fans.

Actual rich people probably have someone drive them everywhere.

Fine, then supercars die. Big whoop, look super cars are just eye candy that would need to evolve regardless of what people might want. If they don't they die its that simple, if someone's false sense of security needs to amplified by a combustion motor rather than idk not causing an actual fucking extinction of humanity then I rather let those old farts cry in a electric Bugatti that can smoke anything but will sounds all "lame. "

Oh that's what's up!

Math Haaaaaard

Nope

To be fair they kept their engines insanely ineffective just because the buyers would prefer the sound over performance/consumption

Apparently you think so. You seem unable to do the "math" of seeing how worthless it was to tell everyone you have far more money than sense.

And Audi cancelled its entire Motorsports programs. LMDh, GT, TCR for F1.

Porsche has also reduced its LMDh program.

Okay hear me out, this ones gonna be a doozy: trains. I know radical right. If there was no need to drive cars wouldnt pollute. I could still go fuck off to tracks and few rural roads to drive on the weekend, there would be no pollution and the travel times would be better and easier. Thats the thing, i love driving but commuting is horribly boring. Theres probably like a few percent of people who will actually go out to the track and race and ive said this is another comment like a year ago but those people can use biofuels or carbon capture fuel. Yes its tripple the price but youre not using it to get to work but just for weekend fun. I think this is the best ballance. Also you would still have electric cars because theyre fun(tho even i have to admit i would almost always pick a hybrid or gas over one) and for the people in rural norway and sweden to get to their houses for example.

No, I'm certain you just don't understand the difference between a median 50% and 95% nor how easy it is for family's in the 350k realm to pay for 15k of depreciation and taxes spread over 3 years 🤷‍♂️

What's so complicated understanding that desirable sports cars having good depreciation? I literally just looked at values. If I sold today, I would have had an effective payment of $525 a month. The car would have literally been cheaper then our outback albeit a much higher monthly 🤷‍♂️.

I love the typical carguy's thinking.

Doesn't matter that it's faster.
Doesn't matter how it looks.
Doesn't matter if it's better for the environment.

If it don't do the wroom wroom - car bad. Thanks, EU.

Wroom wroom make monkey brain happy.

You make it worse every time you speak.

I just saw who I'm talking to 🤣

You live in such a weird little bubble.

BRUBRUBRUBRUB

Zero makes cheaper EV bikes, they are some kind of money laundry because they never report sales and are private, so never reveal finances. I have yet to see one in the wild.

Their fans are over 70 years old and dying fast. Harley should just stick to t shirts.

No it isn't. The Dodge Charger EV was a complete sales flop.

Pretty sure Porsche stopped making them because of poor sales.

Hydrogen would require a tank the size of Trump's ass.

Sports cars with ICE are actually green. I worked in this industry, average mileage is under 1000 miles a year. You will see 30 year old cars with barely 20,000 miles.

It's bizarre, but people pay half a million dollars for cars they either can't drive because they are so uncomfortable, or won't drive because they fear devaluation.

They started with one electric model and currently have 3, 5 if you count the Taycan variants.

So... no? Also why go off on something so easy to look up?

That model was a flop, but people love the feature. Just not enough to buy the rest of the car that goes with it.

It's also not the only model with that feature.

This was about sports cars right? Good luck taking your cayenne to a track day, I like dumb cars as much as the next person but it's like trying to enjoy a RSQ8 on a british b-road

Eh, they won't die, they'll just get taxed probably. Look at Italy for example, they charge for any power over 250hp + displacement. At the end of the day if we're not talking about city pollution cars pale in comparison to the shipping industry and airlines.

In the future they would need to be banned, things aren't looking great when it comes to the climate and taxes won't make it better. As a car guy I'll weep when that time comes, but we can't sacrifice the world for a form of transportation. And by then I'll assume all city vehicles would be either very efficient hybrids or fully EVs.

Are you saying the Taycan isn't a sports car?

Can you read? I'm talking about the rest of the EV range.

Taycan is mid because it's way too old tech-wise and too big and heavy. If they actually bothered to make an EV Cayman I'd call that an actual sports car.

Taycan is just a hot executive sedan/wagon, I wouldn't really call an E63 a sports car, but my idea is something smaller and lighter, S2K being a perfect example.

Then it ought to be a law. But the automakers would hate that because it’s about money and exclusivity, not safety.

If only Harley didn't build its brand on sounding like a grunting overweight pug farting while trying to schlorp water next to a megaphone.

Dud3 i was talking to said he just likes the smell of gas. I was like wtf dude, I think you've sniffed too much of it. I said like that I can make my own "fuel" off the 8.5kw of solar panels on my roof.

Can you read? I'm talking about the rest of the EV range.

But why? It makes no sense to do so given the context of the conversation. I assumed you'd missed the Taycan somehow rather than that you were just arguing in bad faith.

Taycan is just a hot executive sedan/wagon, I wouldn't really call an E63 a sports car, but my idea is something smaller and lighter, S2K being a perfect example.

Bruh. The sport variant does 0-60 in 3 seconds. 690 horsepower. Get real.

I have 3 luxury watches. I'm not rich, it took quite a while to pay off each. That's probably all, those were the only 3 I ever really wanted. I bought them because I like watches, nobody else I know cares about them at all. The ones i picked have interesting movements or history. I didn't get them specifically for their brands. None are Rolex. I would say the biggest difference is not just the materials, it is the quality and tolerances of the machining. The surface finishes.

I like to build and mod watches. I have quite a few made with Seiko movements and aftermarket parts. Some are pretty nice, and I never thought there would be much of a difference between a $400 Seiko and a luxury watch. Until I held my Tudor for the first time. The bracelet has almost no play to it between the links. My Seikos feel sloppy by comparison. The brushed surfaces feel almost soft, they are so smooth. I find myself just rubbing it sometimes. The clasp has little ceramic balls for the detent, and they are very smooth to operate. Wearing it is an excellent tactile experience. Like a fidget toy. It's also the watch I wore during my daughter's birth, and that is primarily what I think of when I wear it.

But yeah, long story short they do feel different. I bet there are a ton of people that only buy them as status symbols, though.

You were the one who brought up the rest of the EVs?

edit: taycan also weighs more than a w222 while making comparable power so what? i wouldn't call an s class a sports car

a hummer ev does 0-60 in the same amount of time, it's still not a sports car

A hummer EV is not a sedan. Get outta here with your no-true-scotsman nonsense. You realize the Taycan is the safety car for Formula E, right?

Aston were a safety car at some point and they make luxury grand tourers so that doesn't matter. It doesn't take much to make a fast EV, it takes a lot to make it drive like an S2K or a 350Z, which is my point and you'd know that already if you bothered to read my previous comment lmfao.

Your definition is subjective, same as mine, I think Porsche and a lot of other manufacturers are muddying it further for the sake of sales which I have a problem with and I wish they'd stop.