when you definitely know what capitalism is

Oh so you were just lying when you replied to me earlier. Can't even keep your own bullshit straight in the same thread loser?

we've got the least dishonest liberal on our hands here

And if there are some things in your life that don't suck as badly as they could, you probably owe that to the USSR. Like if you're not (yet) forced to work 75 hours a week:

https://web.archive.org/web/20250818144537/http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27c/046.html

The bumps it ran into along the way were bumps any socialist state would have to run into, especially the first set of socialist states.

Criticizing the first attempt of a socialist state of being imperfect is especially dishonest since if we compare it with first attempts at capitalism we see literally all the genocidal euro empires at the forefront of building capitalism.

Absolutely.

somehow a www seems to have sneaked it's way into that nadeko link? I can't connect to it with it at least.

Ah that's my bad, fixed it. Thanks!

Thank you!

Tbf, pretty much all Soviet satellite states were/are post communist states.

But if they grew up in a post communist state their experience about USSR doesn't hold, they didn't live during USSR, they lived after it.

So the socialists built your infrastructure. And the capitalists stole it and never repaired it. And you lived only during the time where infrastructure was neglected by capitalists.

But if the same infrastructure were under socialism, then, you assume that they also wouldn't repair it. Therefore, the infrastructure would be the same in your what-if scenario as in real history.

But that would be worse somehow?

And do tell me how presenting a list of items & examples of the USSR failings is “gish gallop”?

I don't think you can read. You replied to a comment that said a single thing about a single subject: the condition of soviet infrastructure AT THE TIME IT WAS BUILT

You are observably an extremely unhinged and extremely stupid person.

I'm sure there is some conflating going on with the fall of communism and the "shock therapy" after. Even if not, it's not really like the 80s under Gorb were really what any left leaning person likes to recall when we think of the Soviet union.

Great, I however grew up in post-communist country and seen with my own eyes the fallout of it’s existence.

But you didn’t see the fallout of the USSR’s existence. You saw the fallout of its ceasing to exist.

2 of your charts are the same

I however grew up in post-communist country and seen with my own eyes the fallout of it’s existence.

"I grew up during the feeding frenzy of capitalist pillaging that immediately followed the death of the Soviet Union and it sucked, so fuck communism for that."

Bro what are you even saying. "I grew up in Hiroshima after the US nuked it and it sucked, so fuck Japan." You grew up under capitalism, take up your issues with the rich western pedophiles who actually engineered them.

Ask an anticommunist to describe the horrors of communism, and every time...

Edit: I cannot wrap my head around this level of dumb bullshit.

"I grew up during the Spanish occupation with morion-clad assholes raping and pillaging everywhere, so I know how bad life was in Aztec Tenochitlan "

"I grew up with US bombs and napalm raining down of my family, so I know how horrible Communist Vietnam is"

"Psh, you think Indonesian society was acceptable? You should have seen how fucked up it was under Dutch colonial rule. Fuck the natives for that."

You're such a brave truth teller

Here's the problem, you think "reason" is "whatever the Epstein empire told you about the people it's afraid of", and you're talking to a bunch of people who have actually fact checked their bullshit.

What the fuck are you talking about you slug-brained no-u machine

Oh I see, you have nothing so you're just coasting off of the same fairy tales and vague labels that don't actually say anything. God it must rule to be an anticommunist, you can just declare anything bad to be inexplicably communist and declare anything good to be Bad, Actually because something something no freedom no iphone, At What Cost?

Oof ty

The more I learned about how the world actually works, the truer this became.

I lived in Soviet Union. Kyrgyz Socialist Soviet Republic to be precise. And you?

Feel like shit, just want her back 😔💔 ("her" being the USSR)

100% serious and sincere question: could you say more about what growing up in the USSR was like?

Because you think western Europe was "most' of the capitalist world. Africa, India, and all the other places that very much were not thriving under capitalism don't exist to you

I am more than aware of the faults and harm or capitalism, I am aware of how colonialism wrecked anything in it’s path.

Clearly you aren't, if you think the prosperity of western Europe can be separated from the brutal exploitation it used to gain its wealth. Essentially saying "my main point was limited to plantation owners, I'm well aware how bad slavery was to the slaves".

No. Obviously

One great thing was how safe it was. My parents just left me alone when they went to work, and I'd hang out with friends after school. Everything was really convenient as well cause all the things you needed were in walking distance. You didn't even need public transit most of the time.

In summer, my family timeshared a coop dacha with a couple of other families and I'd hang out with their kids.

We only had a black and white TV though, even in the late 80s. And there weren't a lot of shows to watch. But my parents got me reading at an early age, and I ended up loving sci-fi which is still my fav genre today.

There wasn't any consumerism, and no ads blasted in your face. You didn't buy stuff often, and things like clothing or gadgets all the time. Stuff was generally meant to last. There were no malls really either. There were a lot of parks though, and my parents really liked going for walks. So it's another habit I'm glad I developed.

School was pretty intense. You had to juggle a bunch of subjects, and that was pretty tough.

Otherwise, life is just life.

Sounds more like the time you grew up in and less about where you grew up.

You could be describing my childhood in canada

Likely yeah, my family moved around a lot after the collapse. And that's the main thing I noticed, people aren't that different wherever you go. We all have the same needs and drives. We hang out with friends, do stuff to pass the time, go to school, work, etc. But there are some important differences that come from having guarantees in life. For example, nobody in USSR worried about losing their job and ending up on the street or not being able to retire in dignity. These were a category of thoughts that simply didn't exist because these were considered to be inalienable human rights. Today, living in Canada, I always have the thought of what will happen if I lose my job in the back of my mind. It's an ever present worry hanging over you. You can be making good money, and like you work, and then the company you work for could go out of business, or you can get laid off because some a spreadsheet didn't line up the way investors want. I'd give anything to have the guarantees my parents had back in the Soviet days.

"Most" of the capitalist countries exist outside of western europe, yet you convieniently ignore them.

That gives me a much more meaningful idea of what you experienced. Thanks for doing that

I thought the USSR was nothing more than a state capitalist society like China is today?

The enemy is desperately raging, throwing weak insults, and begging for a ceasefire. Total victory.

"No, don't look at it, noo, it's unimportant, nooo, it doesn't matter, noooo!"

It almost seems like you're scared of people learning how the world actually works.

In summer, my family timeshared a coop dacha with a couple of other families and I’d hang out with their kids

Of course an affluent Russian family would remember USSR childhood foundly lol.

(Oh, sorry, no, it was called "lucky", not "affluent").

Yes but not for the reason you think. While the USSR still existed, countries like mine still had to show that they were better than it. That they could offer higher quality of life and that capitalism could be the superior system not just for the elites but the average person as well. That impetus is gone now.

They prove that people would rather die in misery than admit they were wrong

How many millions, what is your source for that figure, and how did you verify it?

I however grew up in post-communist country and seen with my own eyes the fallout of it's existence.

A footprint doesn't describe the boot.

Lol how'd you switch from sepirothposting to 9 hear old posting

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Not really, Gorby did seem to be vaguely moving in that direction but not to the same extent as China did around when it was transitioning. The USSR right up until the end kept a command economy overseen by Gosplan, could be debated this is what helped kill it though.

You did get market activity on the small scale particularly around farmers markets etc & ofc the black market along with some small time business ventures but the overarching industrial economy never ceased being overseen by Gosplan & owned by various state run companies.

First part of this is something I think the Soviets truly got right, city planning. Huge shame it was maligned after all the public run services were thrown to the dogs so the intertwined housing blocks then became increasingly shit.