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FlexibleToast
lemmy.world
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-03 |
Lol, if less complicated, that is, if there are no exceptions, then you need fewer agents
Tell me in what world do you need fewer agents to appraise literally everything owned by everybody every year? I bet you own things you've forgotten about, but some IRS agent would have to go over all of it. |
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FlexibleToast
lemmy.world
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-03 |
I have thought about what I'm saying. The problem is you don't understand what I'm saying, but I did just kinda throw it out there with no explanation (because we're on lemmy.ml, I didn't think I needed to). I am referring to private property in the Marxian sense, where a distinction is made between private and personal property. All of the things you listed are personal property, not private p...
So you are making broad exceptions allowing the wealthy to buy, trade, and store their wealth there. You've ruined the entire point of the wealth tax. |
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FlexibleToast
lemmy.world
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-03 |
Fun fact: wealthy people actively brag about their company earnings takings to their shareholders. Hold them to that math. If they contest it, they agree to pay the IRS to contract additional labour to investigate subject to a refund if the reported amount is accurate, at which point they should be forced to payout the difference to all shareholders and pay an equal amount as a punitive fine.
Congratulations, you just replaced the wealth tax idea with corporate income tax. A much more feasible system. |
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Schmoo
slrpnk.net
Schmoo@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-07-04 |
So you are making broad exceptions allowing the wealthy to buy, trade, and store their wealth there. You've ruined the entire point of the wealth tax.
But without private property no one can accumulate wealth by exploiting the labor of others. I haven't ruined the point of the wealth tax, I've preempted the need for it. |
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FlexibleToast
lemmy.world
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-03 |
But without private property no one can accumulate wealth by exploiting the labor of others. I haven't ruined the point of the wealth tax, I've preempted the need for it.
A mean, maybe. Certainly we at least agree it's a better idea than a wealth tax. |
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yucandu
lemmy.world
yucandu@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-03-12 |
Okay.. Well you don't have to believe it for it to be true.
But it isn't true. It's working right now in Norway, off the top of my head. But I'd imagine very wealthy people would be willing to spend a pretty penny to convince people like you and me that it doesn't work. |
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PolandIsAStateOfMind
lemmy.ml
PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.mlJoined: 2022-08-12 |
They got rid of it when he bought it I thought?
No idea, but if anything they doubled on it |
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Formfiller
lemmy.world
Formfiller@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-03-12 |
It’s past taxes when they are raping and eating children. It’s prison, hanging and wealth cap time. Taxing is the most moderate of positions |
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FlexibleToast
lemmy.world
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-03 |
But it isn't true. It's working right now in Norway, off the top of my head. But I'd imagine very wealthy people would be willing to spend a pretty penny to convince people like you and me that it doesn't work.
Doing a quick search, it's not working out for Noway. Their tax revenue is down because the wealthy moved away. |
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atan
lemmy.ml
atan@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-06-02 |
Doing a quick search, it's not working out for Noway. Their tax revenue is down because the wealthy moved away.
They've had a wealth tax in Norway since 1892. |
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FlexibleToast
lemmy.world
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-03 |
They've had a wealth tax in Norway since 1892.
The article I looked at was an increase of the wealth tax that occurred recently. So you're right, not the start of it just a consequence of it. |
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atan
lemmy.ml
atan@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-06-02 |
The article I looked at was an increase of the wealth tax that occurred recently. So you're right, not the start of it just a consequence of it.
What was the article? This one from November claims revenue has still increased - while ridding themselves of more wealth hoarders: "Revenue from it has climbed despite the exodus and now sits at 0.6% of GDP" https://www.reuters.com/business/norways-wealth-tax-trades-millionaires-equality-2025-11-24/ |
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merdaverse
lemmy.zip
merdaverse@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-11 |
Cool story, except they don't: |
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CptEnder
lemmy.world
CptEnder@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-01-11 |
I made $100,000 more in 2025 than 2024 and was taxed 17% less... Needless to say this isn't fair when people get taxed at $31k. Fuck this place. I'm donating the difference, as I had also already planned to spend all of it on taxes. |
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VAK
lemmy.world
VAK@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-03-18 |
Tell me in what world do you need fewer agents to appraise literally everything owned by everybody every year? I bet you own things you've forgotten about, but some IRS agent would have to go over all of it.
In the world where you have so many loopholes, and with so much complexity, that you have to anyway keep track of who's got what, who owes what to whom, what something is worth, etc etc |
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BlackLaZoR
lemmy.world
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-02-26 |
What's wrong with that take? |
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Sam_Bass
lemmy.world
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-04-08 |
Sure theyre gonna say that. Kissing up to their overlords is job security |
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billwashere
lemmy.world
billwashere@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
Wait who is the Washington Post owned by again I forget…. |
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vilastromaz
lemmy.world
vilastromaz@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-04-16 |
Support independent media. Chanel 5 has been doing good work recently, they just put out a doc about cartel violence in Mexico. |
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blindbunny
lemmy.ml
blindbunny@lemmy.ml Joined: 2021-06-14 |
Support independent media. Chanel 5 has been doing good work recently, they just put out a doc about cartel violence in Mexico.
Isn't that dude a sex pest or something? |
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Jesusaurus
lemmy.world
Jesusaurus@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
What's wrong with that take?
The general population understands/perceives that the rich do not pay their share and actively avoid paying their share |
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vilastromaz
lemmy.world
vilastromaz@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-04-16 |
Isn't that dude a sex pest or something?
Depends on your definition I guess. Supposedly he was trying to hook up with fans and some felt weird about it and spoke up, calling him aggressive. |
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obvs
lemmy.world
obvs@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-03-17 |
Can we stop pretending that the Washington Post is a real newspaper anymore? |
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obvs
lemmy.world
obvs@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-03-17 |
It's repeated frequently because it's true. A wealth tax that hits the truly rich is only a good tax if it doesn't have side casualties. If you have a suggestion how to make a wealth tax that also doesn't affect the examples I have mentioned I'm interested to hear it. I think that instead of a basic wealth tax, a tax on rental properties and a tax on stocks and corporate ownership is more reaso...
It's repeated frequently because of Brandolini's Law: "The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." |
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treesquid
lemmy.world
treesquid@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-02 |
Sure theyre gonna say that. Kissing up to their overlords is job security
It's not kissing up, saying this stuff is literally their job. They are owned by a billionaire who directs them to write these things. |
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Sam_Bass
lemmy.world
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-04-08 |
It's not kissing up, saying this stuff is literally their job. They are owned by a billionaire who directs them to write these things.
That IS kissing up. |
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Zink
programming.dev
Zink@programming.dev Joined: 2023-08-08 |
It’s past taxes when they are raping and eating children. It’s prison, hanging and wealth cap time. Taxing is the most moderate of positions
There's a parallel here with that saying about how unions are the alternative to the workers burning down the factory owner's house. And that's before we get into the non-financial evils you mentioned. |
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Formfiller
lemmy.world
Formfiller@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-03-12 |
There's a parallel here with that saying about how unions are the alternative to the workers burning down the factory owner's house. And that's before we get into the non-financial evils you mentioned.
I’m in a construction union and the truth about the construction unions are they are mostly republicans and they are run like white supremisist gangs. I believe in unions but I’ve seen some horrible stuff in one. |
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a_non_monotonic_function
lemmy.world
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-10-22 |
Rich workers get taxed progressively. Rich capitalists do not get taxed progressively. Washington Post is actively withholding information to push a narrative that benefits capitalists.
Just look at who owns it. |
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FlexibleToast
lemmy.world
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-03 |
In the world where you have so many loopholes, and with so much complexity, that you have to anyway keep track of who's got what, who owes what to whom, what something is worth, etc etc
Then close the loopholes. Much simpler. |
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geneva_convenience
Moderator
geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-01-25 |
Wait who is the Washington Post owned by again I forget….
Jeff Bezos, also the owner of Amazon |
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torik
lemmychan.org
torik@lemmychan.org Joined: 2026-04-17 |
Take their wealth by force. Reclaim what has been stolen every day for decades. |
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