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The Arab American community that helped propel Trump is now grappling with lran war's fallout
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TallonMetroid lemmy.world TallonMetroid@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-09-06
#102 · Quote Reply

I'm not saying she would've been great regarding Israeli policy, but Netanyahu wanted Trump for a reason. The Iran war and subsequent fuel price shock wouldn't have happened.

Bibi was hawking for a special military operation for the last 4 US presidencies, and only El Taco was dumb enough to agree.

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Clay_pidgin sh.itjust.works clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-14
#103 · Quote Reply

Immigrants can't vote. And non-immigrants make up 0.88% the 2020 population according to wikipedia. Tho I looked into it and "Arab American" doesn't refer to Immigrants so that's my bad.

Ah, you aren't counting immigrants who have gone on to become citizens. A person can be both an immigrant and a citizen.

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mrdown lemmy.world mrdown@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-07-20
#104 · (edited) Quote Reply

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I am in a post where people like you are defending one of the two parties sending billions to a settler colonial power committing a genocide, getting mad at people opposing it regardless of their ideology and beliefs.

This is beyond American politics. As a decent human being, I have to care. The day your country stops its imperialism, you would be right.

I make grammatical mistakes, but I understand English very well, and people understand me too.

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GreenKnight23 lemmy.world GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-09-21
#105 · Quote Reply

I am in a post where people like you are defending one of the two parties sending billions to a settler colonial power committing a genocide, getting mad at people opposing it regardless of their ideology and beliefs. This is beyond American politics. As a decent human being, I have to care. The day your country stops its imperialism, you would be right. I make grammatical mistakes, but I under...

you and people like you will never understand risk mitigation because you're always focused on the dreamland of your fantasy where everyone can live in one big happy peaceful world.

that will never happen while politics, governance, and a thirst for power exist. these are not strictly American traits, these are human traits.

get over yourself.

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GreenKnight23 lemmy.world GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-09-21
#106 · Quote Reply

I know what it means. I'm asking how it factors in

what do you mean how it factors in?

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mrdown lemmy.world mrdown@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-07-20
#107 · (edited) Quote Reply

you and people like you will never understand risk mitigation because you're always focused on the dreamland of your fantasy where everyone can live in one big happy peaceful world. that will never happen while politics, governance, and a thirst for power exist. these are not strictly American traits, these are human traits. get over yourself.

The fact is most of the destruction happened during Biden; most of the Palestinians were massacred during Biden's term. The fact is Biden lied about wanting a ceasefire, while Trump managed to have two half-baked ones. You don't even believe that war criminals from both parties should be held accountable and rot in prison. You never posted a single post about war crimes in Lebanon, Palestine or Iran. So just fuck off.

that will never happen while politics, governance, and a thirst for power exist. these are not strictly American traits, these are human traits.

This is the dumbest thing I ever heard. It is pretty much unique to the USA to send billions to a settler colonial power to do genocide .

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GreenKnight23 lemmy.world GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-09-21
#108 · Quote Reply

The fact is most of the destruction happened during Biden; most of the Palestinians were massacred during Biden's term. The fact is Biden lied about wanting a ceasefire, while Trump managed to have two half-baked ones. You don't even believe that war criminals from both parties should be held accountable and rot in prison. You never posted a single post about war crimes in Lebanon, Palestine or...

The fact is most of the destruction happened during Biden; most of the Palestinians were massacred during Biden's term. The fact is Biden lied about wanting a ceasefire

I'm not contesting that, or arguing that.

Trump managed to have two half-baked ones.

I see.

You don't even believe that war criminals from both parties should be held accountable and rot in prison.

Can you point out where I said that?

You never posted a single post about war crimes in Lebanon, Palestine or Iran.

Irrelevant to the context of the American presidential election. that is what we were discussing after all.

the fact that you can't understand how a stable middle east directly benefits the US and is the primary reason why the US is so directly involved is telling. hint, this is part of that "politics, governance, and a thirst for power" I mentioned.

what is also telling is the abundance of blame you have for America, Biden, and democrats but a complete avoidance to place any blame on the current administration.

you're a troll, plain and simple.

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mrdown lemmy.world mrdown@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-07-20
#109 · (edited) Quote Reply

The fact is most of the destruction happened during Biden; most of the Palestinians were massacred during Biden's term. The fact is Biden lied about wanting a ceasefire I'm not contesting that, or arguing that. Trump managed to have two half-baked ones. I see. You don't even believe that war criminals from both parties should be held accountable and rot in prison. Can you point out where I said...

Irrelevant to the context of the American presidential election. that is what we were discussing after all.

The context is American foreign affairs which impact the whole world. If it was about domestic issues you would be right

the fact that you can’t understand how a stable middle east directly benefits the US and is the primary reason why the US is so directly involved is telling.

The Middle East is not stable because Israel the settler colonial genocidal terroristic state got support from the West for several decades, majoritarily from your shitty country, from your two shitty political parties that are better described as cults.

what is also telling is the abundance of blame you have for America, Biden, and democrats but a complete avoidance to place any blame on the current administration.

My history is full of blame for the current administration, but since you pretend to care about Iran and Palestine, you are not aware. Anybody could have 99.9% posts about Trump war crimes and terrible domestic affairs and have just 1% about Biden and Harris, and you would still call them Trump and Republicans.

America deserves all the hate it has gotten for being an imperialist power since its foundation, responsible for the largest number of coups and attacked countries post-World War II.

you’re a troll, plain and simple.

You are the troll since you lie about me, can't address any criticism of your shitty party, and even started shaming me for my English level.

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ProfThadBach lemmy.world ProfThadBach@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-06-20
#110 · (edited) Quote Reply

As a Muslim, I don't blame anyone for abstaining. The choices were genocide or genocide+. Trump at least went to meet with some Mosque leaders in Dearborn Michigan. Kamala couldn't even be bothered to do that. The Democrats demonstrably abandoned us to our faces. Trump at least acted like he was going to care (which anyone could tell you was a lie, but he did make a show of it). My parents, aun...

Don’t blame us, the Democrats abandoned us to our faces.

And you thought a guy who fucked you over in his first term would be better than a Democrat? That is is Copium right there.

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solidheron sh.itjust.works solidheron@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-12-29
#111 · Quote Reply

what do you mean how it factors in?

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/factor-in

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thethrilloftime69 feddit.online thethrilloftime69@feddit.online
Joined: 2026-02-12
#112 · Quote Reply

Don’t blame us, the Democrats abandoned us to our faces. And you thought a guy who fucked you over in his first term would be better than a Democrat? That is is Copium right there.

I'm saying there were no good choices. So I don't know why I'm responsible for the Democrats failure to be even decent.

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ProfThadBach lemmy.world ProfThadBach@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-06-20
#113 · Quote Reply

I'm saying there were no good choices. So I don't know why I'm responsible for the Democrats failure to be even decent.

When faced with two bad choices at least choose the one that will do the least harm. While you are correct Democrat establishment failed here you can not rationalize any marginalized community justifying either voting for Trump or abstaining from voting based on Trump's past actions or his links to fascist ideology found in documents like Project 2025.

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thethrilloftime69 feddit.online thethrilloftime69@feddit.online
Joined: 2026-02-12
#114 · (edited) Quote Reply

When faced with two bad choices at least choose the one that will do the least harm. While you are correct Democrat establishment failed here you can not rationalize any marginalized community justifying either voting for Trump or abstaining from voting based on Trump's past actions or his links to fascist ideology found in documents like Project 2025.

If you ask the rest of the world, the US has been a fascist country for most of the post war era.

I also think the US hegemonic system produced this result. I think whatever Trump was going to do was inevitable because look at their opposition. The most milquetoast resistance imaginable.

So people blaming minorities for not voting against Trump can suck my nuts. This was an inevitable consequence of the system America created. Y'all are mad that the US just took it's mask off. I'm sick of Americans blaming everyone but themselves for the shit they put the world through.

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GreenKnight23 lemmy.world GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-09-21
#115 · Quote Reply

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/factor-in

I know what it means. I'm asking how it factors in

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solidheron sh.itjust.works solidheron@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-12-29
#116 · Quote Reply

I know what it means. I'm asking how it factors in

What's "it"?

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Jankatarch lemmy.world Jankatarch@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-07-12
#117 · Quote Reply

Ah, you aren't counting immigrants who have gone on to become citizens. A person can be both an immigrant and a citizen.

That's still included in 0.88%
Maybe the reason Kamala lost wasn't foreigners?

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Grainne lemmy.dbzer0.com Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-10-04
#118 · Quote Reply

If you ask the rest of the world, the US has been a fascist country for most of the post war era. I also think the US hegemonic system produced this result. I think whatever Trump was going to do was inevitable because look at their opposition. The most milquetoast resistance imaginable. So people blaming minorities for not voting against Trump can suck my nuts. This was an inevitable consequen...

100% fascist, even before the world wars they were utterly terrible.

The only difference I've ever seen between the two parties is one does better P.R., both actively make the world a worse place.

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Soulg ani.social Soulg@ani.social
Joined: 2025-02-14
#119 · (edited) Quote Reply

Normally I'm one to say we should be understanding and all that, but I honestly can't understand Arabic people voting for anyone they thought had a chance to murder their relatives back home. Edit: I was wrong, I thought they had voted for trump or Harris but they actually voted third party or withheld their vote. I think thats morally consistent and we shouldnt blame them for anything trump ha...

I'm sorry but I still blame them along with the dems. It is unimaginably tragic that Harris couldn't just say Gaza bad we will stop it, but Trump was still worse on Gaza among the litany of other reasons why he was a terrible person to vote for. If there was ever an election to truly vote against the greater evil, it was this one, and now the entire world is paying the price for it.

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Maeve kbin.earth Maeve@kbin.earth
Joined: 2024-06-16
#120 · Quote Reply

Did I get jill stien?

About as much as we got De La Cruz.

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Tag Your Toe mastodon.social TagYourToe@mastodon.social
Joined: 2024-07-24
#121 · Quote Reply

This is incredibly disingenuous. The community in question didn't support Donald Trump, and overwhelmingly voted 3rd party because Kamala Harris supported Israel's genocide in Gaza. Not only washing over that fact but blaming Trump's second term on them is fucking atrocious reporting.

@SippyCup "and overwhelmingly voted 3rd party because Kamala Harris supported Israel’s genocide in Gaza."But she didn't support anything of the sort and that was a bullshit fig leaf that was retroactively applied to their real reason for not voting for Harris, which is that they hate women and queer people and Harris was a big advocate for both.

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procrastitron lemmy.world procrastitron@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-12
#122 · Quote Reply

The article doesn’t provide any evidence that these people supported Trump and the only link it uses to back up that claim is another article that just says their city didn’t support Harris as much as previous Democratic candidates.

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Echolynx lemmy.zip Echolynx@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2024-11-19
#123 · Quote Reply

The article doesn’t provide any evidence that these people supported Trump and the only link it uses to back up that claim is another article that just says their city didn’t support Harris as much as previous Democratic candidates.

He won by a historically significant margin in the community.

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