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XeroxCool
lemmy.world
XeroxCool@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-17 |
Paganism is incredibly diverse, I will give you that. "Pagan" is more of an umbrella term for many different beliefs with some common elements. But christianity for example is also an umbrella term - you have catholicism (whis then has the many different orders and stuff under it), evanjelical christianity (with its many denominations) and orthodox church (which may or may not have different gr...
Really close, but off by one part: paganism is not an inclusive term. It's an exclusive term. Rather than groups (originally) agreeing they are pagans, Christians decided anything not Christian is pagan. The modern meaning of pagan is euro-centric because that's where Christianity took hold. The Norse and the Celtic and the Baltic and the Germanic "pagans" likely would not see themselves as on the same side of the argument against Christians. Grouping pagans together is like grouping barbarians together across the world. Literally, because barbarian is also a derogatory term. (bar-bar was the racist interpretation of foreign language by the Greeks and then Romans) The meaning is shifted now because of 2000 years of Christian erasure. So sure, it might now be that Pagan is an equivalent type of term as Christian, covering many groups that identify themselves as their parent term, but that's not the historical context. That makes a difference when talking about the actual history. |
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MinnesotaGoddam
lemmy.world
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-27 |
isn't this Brigid's symbol? |
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dragnucs
lemmy.ml
dragnucs@lemmy.ml Joined: 2021-09-14 |
How would you mark the room where someone just died. Maybe their family is there grieving. "Please don't disturb" is slightly silly to put on a door handle
Maybe our customs are different. Usually this situation is very short and by the time you hangbthe sign, the person would already be transferred to the morgue. I lived in a similar situation where we had a family member die by night and by the time we reached in the early morning we went directly to a specific cleansing area. So it is very obvious what is going there. We are Muslims and time from death to burial usually takes less than 24 hours. |
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Domino
quokk.au
Domino@quokk.auJoined: 2025-06-09 |
It depends on the coven/group. Celtic pagans call themselves that or sometimes Celtic Wiccans or just pagans. It's the pagan beliefs that are rooted in Irish and Welsh history specifically. Then you have different pagan beliefs that are rooted in Norse theology or Greek mythology. My mom raised me as Wiccan. There's about as many denominations as there are in the Christian religion. Edit: Somet...
Wiccans and Neo-Druids are not Celtic Pagans. They are new age spiritualist nonsense. Celtic Reconstructionism is the only “authentic” Celtic Pagan religion, based on surviving historical information rather than making up bits and using Celtic flavouring. |
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vala
lemmy.dbzer0.com
vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-07-24 |
The two lower swirls are closer to the circle than the top one
Ohhh. I was looking only at the big circle. |
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Lushed_Lungfish
lemmy.ca
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-02-14 |
I learned that in children's hospital's, the symbol is a butterfly. I could never look at a butterfly quite the same way after that. |
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HeHoXa
lemmy.zip
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-04-08 |
End of life is such a shame. You see, they have a point with the infinity and cycle points they claim, why would the person's mind not be recycled into something else? You lose the person, all that they are permanently. They instead, get to exist as a new being, with no memory of their past. All relationships, acomplishments, anything of actual meaning erased. Yet the cruel irony is that they p...
"why would the person's mind not be recycled into something else" Why would it be? |
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HugeNerd
lemmy.ca
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-06 |
End of life is such a shame. You see, they have a point with the infinity and cycle points they claim, why would the person's mind not be recycled into something else? You lose the person, all that they are permanently. They instead, get to exist as a new being, with no memory of their past. All relationships, acomplishments, anything of actual meaning erased. Yet the cruel irony is that they p...
Nonsense. |
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HeHoXa
lemmy.zip
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-04-08 |
How would you mark the room where someone just died. Maybe their family is there grieving. "Please don't disturb" is slightly silly to put on a door handle
Then why do they put those door handle holes in the signs? |
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It_Is1-24PM
lemmy.world
It_Is1_24PM@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-31 |
isn't this Brigid's symbol?
That woild be St Brigid's cross |
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Stalinwolf
lemmy.ca
Stalinwolf@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-06-12 |
I got to see that in person! Newgrange is fascinating. I know folks here are arguing about Celtic pagan culture but the spirals actually come from neolithic peoples from 5,000 years ago that we know very little about. They predate the Celts and the Picts and even the pyramid builders of ancient Egypt. We don't know their language, religion, or much of anything except that they were pretty good ...
Newgrange is essentially my holy place, and I hope to see it one day. Mythology or not, to stand where the Tuatha De Danaan are said to have inhabited and are now laid to rest would be otherworldly. They're not my current brand of spirituality, but they set me on the path long ago. |
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WorldsDumbestMan
lemmy.today
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today Joined: 2024-12-05 |
"why would the person's mind not be recycled into something else" Why would it be?
Because why tf do we have the idea that we are somehow so special, that we don't fall under the same laws as everything else. The mind just has to be some metaphysical bullshit. Nah, it's just material science we don't understand due to our own flaws. |
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illi
piefed.social
illi@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-06-04 |
Really close, but off by one part: paganism is not an inclusive term. It's an exclusive term. Rather than groups (originally) agreeing they are pagans, Christians decided anything not Christian is pagan. The modern meaning of pagan is euro-centric because that's where Christianity took hold. The Norse and the Celtic and the Baltic and the Germanic "pagans" likely would not see themselves as on ...
You are right about that. But I didn't talk about history and how it effectively was deragotary term, as didn't find it relevant in this context. "Pagan" became to mean non-christian, but afaik originally it meant "person from the countryside" - lat. paganos I believe (also see: heathen - person from the heath) - so people living in vilages and such, who took longer to convert from the old faith. Anyway, as other commenter said somewhere here, these religions usually didn't have names historically that we know of. It was simply the religion to the people. Moreover, the religion was not centralized. The various tribes, even villages could have differences and their local gods that were worshipped. So yeah, christians came up with the umbrela term and yeah, it was developed as an insult basically. But it's what we have as a name for these religions. I didn't find it relevant as modern day pagans mostly embraced the term and I don't think it holds same negative conotations as it did in the past. |
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HubertManne
piefed.social
HubertManne@piefed.social Joined: 2025-03-13 |
Kinky. Someone should probably have googled who else have adopted a triskelion as their symbol.
Ill bet 100 quatludes they did not. |
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GalacticGrapefruit
lemmy.world
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-01-30 |
Yeah I was a bit surprised at that line since I had always understood it to be a Celtic pagan symbol. Can’t upset the Christians I guess -_-
Ireland has a sizeable Catholic population, and Catholicism has a habit of subsuming local pagan traditions and gods and reworking them as their own. |
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eyesonthetoad
lemmy.zip
eyesonthetoad@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-03-18 |
Isn’t this one of the items you get in Zelda, Skyword Sword? Or maybe OoT? |
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wonderingwanderer
sopuli.xyz
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2025-12-31 |
No I'm not missing that, I'm arguing that it's the equivalent to saying "American Monotheism" when you mean "Christian". It strikes me as strange that there's no, like, actual Celtic word for their belief system/way of life that we could use instead of [Region][Category]
Celtic isn't a region though, it's an ethnic group and a language family. "Celtic paganism" typically refers to one of two things: the spiritual beliefs and practices of the historical Celtic civilizations, or the modern reconstruction based on it. It's fairly specific in that respect. "Pagan" alone is a large umbrella, and most modern pagans will acknowledge that, but often they'll differentiate themselves as "Celtic pagan" or "Norse pagan" or "Greek pagan" or whathaveyou. But historically, there wasn't much of a point to naming one's religion, because even if they had contact with different cultures, they were distinguished by their ethnic groups/language families, and their religion was as indistinguishable from those things as any other aspect of culture. That was long before the modern day, when civilizations now have more heterogeneity and thus distinctions such as language, culture, ethnicity, religion, cuisine, etc., each refer to unique sets of characteristics that can blend in various ways within a multicultural society in a globalized world. |
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wonderingwanderer
sopuli.xyz
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2025-12-31 |
saying "American Monotheism" when you mean "Christian" Not really - that's more like saying "European polytheism" when you mean paganism. Though I do believe there are non-European traditions that might call themseves pagan. But then again, christianity is also not confined to America.
The term "pagan" originally meant "anything other than christian." Maybe before that it meant something like "country bumpkin," referring to people who lived outside the cities and major towns. The meaning changed as population centers converted faster than rural areas. It originated in Europe though, so obviously it's more deeply rooted in European paganism and other cultures that had close contact, like Egypt and Anatolia. Further removed cultures probably didn't/don't think of themselves as pagan. For example, a Shinto priest probably doesn't call himself pagan. There's no cultural reason to. But that sorta breaks down when you look at post-colonized cultures, where the cultural cross-pollination lent the word pagan to their cultural identity. For instance, some followers of Native American spirituality refer to themselves as pagan. It's a way of reclaiming the term, which was originally used to exclude and oppress them, but now it just frightens christians. A lot of people who call themselves pagan use the term that way deliberately. |
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wonderingwanderer
sopuli.xyz
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2025-12-31 |
All of that is about as relevant to celtic paganism as Scientology is to Buddhism. We don’t know a lot about Celtic paganism, what we do know comes through the filter of the Roman invader and is cursorary. Anyone building a halfway coherent belief system and claiming it as Celtic Paganism is a fraud.
It's called reconstructionism, and it's not uncommon in neopagan communities. Most of them are pretty honest with themselves about the limitations of their knowledge. It's not fraudulent at all. Anyway, Roman accounts are one source we have for studying celtic culture, but it's not the only one. There's also archaeology. There's some of the mythology that survived. There are old Celtic stories that got christianized by the clerics who recorded them for the first time. There are surviving superstitions and folklore that some ethnologists recorded in the 19th and 20th centuries. Each of those things provides insights into the beliefs and practices of the pre-christian Celtic civilizations. None of them are a full or a complete picture, nor even all of them together. But if each one together clarifies the picture a little more. There's always a limit to how much we can know about prehistoric cultures (in the sense that they had no writing system until converting to christianity). But that doesn't mean it's pointless to study them. |
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wonderingwanderer
sopuli.xyz
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2025-12-31 |
It has been in general use across loads of areas of Europe - not just Celtic ones, even accounting for how widespread Celtic cultures used to be - and also since thousands of years before Celtic cultures emerged as a distinguishable group. I don't think it'd be reasonable for any one group to claim ownership of it at this point
No, no, you see, it was designed by the Trisquel Project as the logo for their Linux distribution based on a deblobbed kernel /s |
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slavpi
lemmy.dbzer0.com
slavpi@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2026-04-17 |
Because why tf do we have the idea that we are somehow so special, that we don't fall under the same laws as everything else. The mind just has to be some metaphysical bullshit. Nah, it's just material science we don't understand due to our own flaws.
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MinnesotaGoddam
lemmy.world
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-27 |
That woild be St Brigid's cross https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigid's_cross
Ah, thank you. For some reason I had the goddess Brigid associated with the triskele and maiden/mother/crone but there's so much overlap nowadays between goddess and saint that it's hard to find reliable sources on what was who. |
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BarneyPiccolo
lemmy.today
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-06-30 |
Maybe our customs are different. Usually this situation is very short and by the time you hangbthe sign, the person would already be transferred to the morgue. I lived in a similar situation where we had a family member die by night and by the time we reached in the early morning we went directly to a specific cleansing area. So it is very obvious what is going there. We are Muslims and time fr...
24 hours? That's not nearly enough time to fully exploit the family's grief for as much money as possible. |
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dragnucs
lemmy.ml
dragnucs@lemmy.ml Joined: 2021-09-14 |
24 hours? That's not nearly enough time to fully exploit the family's grief for as much money as possible.
Sometimes not even enough for geographically far relatives to come for a last visit. |
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BarneyPiccolo
lemmy.today
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-06-30 |
Sometimes not even enough for geographically far relatives to come for a last visit.
Well, yeah, there's that, too, but will no one think about the MONEY? Raping a family's grief is an American tradition! |
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WorldsDumbestMan
lemmy.today
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today Joined: 2024-12-05 |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_management_theory
I have zero terror management. I am actively panicking every day, because I believe I don't get to stay dead, which is the problem. |
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Kage520
lemmy.world
Kage520@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-02 |
Why do they need a symbol for that? Can't they just don't put any symbol? What does a symbol add?
At the vet I've seen a candle that they light when someone brings in their pet to be put down. It lets other patients know the terrible suffering the family is going through and allows them to be respectful to that. I'm guessing this symbol serves a similar purpose. |
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squidman64
lemmy.world
squidman64@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-06 |
Maybe our customs are different. Usually this situation is very short and by the time you hangbthe sign, the person would already be transferred to the morgue. I lived in a similar situation where we had a family member die by night and by the time we reached in the early morning we went directly to a specific cleansing area. So it is very obvious what is going there. We are Muslims and time fr...
Have you heard of an Irish wake? Traditionally they would throw a big party celebrating the life of a lost loved one and everyone would hang out with the body for 1-2 days |
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dragnucs
lemmy.ml
dragnucs@lemmy.ml Joined: 2021-09-14 |
Then why do they put those door handle holes in the signs?
I've never seen one. Basing my question on the laminated display. Ifvtheybhave a big deck of door handle signs, then of course it is very quick. |
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Hisse
programming.dev
Hisse@programming.dev Joined: 2026-04-08 |
is that Trisquel GNU/Linux? |
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The Ramen Dutchman
ttrpg.network
lord_ryvan@ttrpg.networkJoined: 2023-07-22 |
I was gonna say, it looks like the logo of the Linux distribution Trisquel. I guess, that's not surprising after all. 😅
I was gonna say, it looks like the emblem of the city Triskellian from Ironclaw. I guess, that’s not surprising after all. 😅 |
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