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ultracritical
lemmy.world
ultracritical@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
They can drop all the way to 0 if the temperature difference is high enough. You can't heat your house with a heat pump if it's 0K outside.
Heat pump could heat your house if it's near 0K "outside". Heat pumps are how we chill to near 0K anyways. And by heat pump I mean literally a window air conditioner. Replace the freon in your typical AC with helium and get a really fancy evaporator (cold head or cold finger is the trade term) and you could probably get a 10cc vial on the end to sub 70K. With vacuum and a bigger 240V window AC unit you can get near 4K. Running multiple heat pumps in stages and with liquid nitrogen as coolant for some of them and you can condense helium and push really close to 0K. |
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merc
sh.itjust.works
merc@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-09 |
It all becomes heat eventually in the end though. Sometimes it's just a multi step complex process outside the physical bounds of the heater. Wait a sec, is the universe just God's space heater?
Yes, what is that motor doing? If it's a drill, it's spinning a drill bit and that drill bit generates a lot of friction when it tries to make a hole in something, and that friction generates heat. If it's spinning a tire, that tire generates a lot of friction with the road. |
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lonefighter
sh.itjust.works
lonefighter@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-03-12 |
Sounds like your cold winter nights are not very cold.
It goes down well below freezing here. My apartment is small. |
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merc
sh.itjust.works
merc@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-09 |
It goes down well below freezing here. My apartment is small.
By "well below" do you mean -30? Or do you mean -5? Either way, you must have much better insulation than I do, because I have multi-kilowatt heaters and even on not-so-cold days my poor PC can't compete, no matter how hard I game. |
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YiddishMcSquidish
lemmy.today
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-03-10 |
Yes but there might be nonmasochists in the household, guests, children, pets, etc. Not everyone is defacto down with a blood sacrifice for the Omnissiah.
Very fair. I forget my selfishness on occasion. Thank you for reminding me that I am not the center of the universe. |
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Spice Hoarder
lemmy.zip
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-29 |
The entropy machine has a 100% efficiency |
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girsaysdoom
sh.itjust.works
girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-07-02 |
Perhaps this is a dumb question, but perhaps it is not: If you just had, in say a studio apartment, or a single bedroom, basically just a large container of water, where the container is made of something fairly to considerably thermally conductive... Would or could this act as something like a thermal regulator for the room, to a potentially useful degree, such that it could ease the overall p...
So a bunch of the other comments have mentioned this but you would be creating a thermal battery essentially. These can be useful for smoothing out the temperature changes in that room but it isn't exactly efficient since the only way to heat or cool it is by changing the temperature at the surface of the container. Adding passive heat sinks like radiator fins would increase the efficiency as it would absorb or diffuse the temperature difference with increased surface area but it would still would be subject to things like the air conditioning turning on and off more regularly when there is a higher ambient temperature delta or condensation when the weather is hot and moisture is high. You've essentially added an inactive water boiler tank in the middle of a room that takes up space and takes a long time to either heat up or cool down and it still would be lagging behind where you want the temperature to be. You're on the right track to a good idea with trying to store thermal energy but it can be made better with a few tweaks:
Now we have a thermal battery that works with your air conditioning system as opposed to against it. This can be paired with other methods of heat/cooling such as a solar system. But if you're in a dorm or somewhere you can't make changes, it could make sense if you aren't paying for electricity, you actively heat/cool the bucket by putting it in a freezer or on a heater/fire, and you don't mind a large metal container in the middle of the room? Just watch for a lot of condensation when cooling the air. |
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Captain Aggravated
sh.itjust.works
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-20 |
I have a little "tradition" of doing a playthrough of very hardware-demanding stuff in winter. Tarkov is one of my favs for this since it's unoptimized as hell and the post soviet aesthetics really fit the season
I waited until winter to rip my DVD collection because it meant hours of high throttle on the PC. |
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Venat0r
lemmy.world
Venat0r@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-05 |
Or light.
Most of the light from a heater is infrared light though, which is absorbed as heat by the surroundings. But yeah a small percentage will be lost as some other wavelengths that might not be absorbed by anything, so it's not technically 100%, unless you round to 2sf 😅 |
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Captain Aggravated
sh.itjust.works
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-20 |
Perhaps this is a dumb question, but perhaps it is not: If you just had, in say a studio apartment, or a single bedroom, basically just a large container of water, where the container is made of something fairly to considerably thermally conductive... Would or could this act as something like a thermal regulator for the room, to a potentially useful degree, such that it could ease the overall p...
I've seen someone do something slightly like this with a greenhouse. It had a large tank of water in the middle. It was black, so it absorbed sunlight during the day, heating the water, and then that kept the temperature up at night. I think it also had something to do with an aquaponics setup? Like there were either fish in the tank, or in a "pond," and fish shit water would be cycled out to the plants because fertilizer? |
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idk (she/her)
szmer.info
Tiger_Man_@szmer.infoJoined: 2025-08-06 |
induction losses: |
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Captain Aggravated
sh.itjust.works
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-20 |
Oh, I hadn't even thought of that. I always thought stoves were just way more efficient, but a giant old school hearth-thing actually makes a lot more sense now.
Something you'll forever see now: In the United States, homes in the North have inboard chimneys and hearths. The brickwork is inside the walls for better heating in the winter. Homes in the South have outboard chimneys, so that you can cook in the summer without dying of heat stroke. |
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idk (she/her)
szmer.info
Tiger_Man_@szmer.infoJoined: 2025-08-06 |
A brushless motor only converts ~5% of its input to heat. That's low enough that you can reasonably call it a side effect. Now, a computer, that's a heater that happens to produce math as a side effect. 100% of its input ends up as heat.
if you dont count powering i/o devices (other heaters) (or electromagnetic wave emmiters so heaters with extra steps) |
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scratchee
feddit.uk
scratchee@feddit.uk Joined: 2023-07-16 |
Why not? My underestanding is that 100% energy of a sound wave will ultimately be transformed to kinetic energy to particles in the room, be it a wall's, an ear drum's or air's.
As a rule of thumb that’s fine, but it’s not precisely true. There will always be a little energy going everywhere it can. Entropy doesn’t mean “everything turns into heat” it means everything becomes dispersed across all the possible states. Most of the possible states are possible states of heat, so that’s where most of the energy ends up, but only most. Edit: I guess you could say all the energy would pass through heat at some point. That’s probably true, but equally you could say all the energy ends up as light at some point, and that’s probably true too, as it wobbles between possible states randomly. More usefully can ask what ratio ends up in each form before reaching a steady state (where the amount of sound turning into heat is equal to the amount of heat turning into sound) |
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mere
lemmy.blahaj.zone
mere@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-07-25 |
noo get the oily greasy food away from technology 😭 |
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nexguy
lemmy.world
nexguy@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-11 |
Which travels to a location, hits it and is eventually converted to heat.
So not a heater...but the universe. |
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lonefighter
sh.itjust.works
lonefighter@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-03-12 |
By "well below" do you mean -30? Or do you mean -5? Either way, you must have much better insulation than I do, because I have multi-kilowatt heaters and even on not-so-cold days my poor PC can't compete, no matter how hard I game.
Like anywhere from -15 to -4 C (around 5-25 F). I also keep it around 15 C (60 F) in my apartment to keep heating costs lower so it doesn't need to get super warm to keep my thermostat from kicking on. |
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hypeerror
sh.itjust.works
hypeerror@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-02-01 |
... Some people keep track of their power bricks and know where they've been. ... Never thought 'good cable management' would become a hygiene/sanitation issue, but, apparently it is.
Not me. I leave my power bricks at the bus station and tell them don't call until you have daddy's money. |
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hypeerror
sh.itjust.works
hypeerror@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-02-01 |
So a bunch of the other comments have mentioned this but you would be creating a thermal battery essentially. These can be useful for smoothing out the temperature changes in that room but it isn't exactly efficient since the only way to heat or cool it is by changing the temperature at the surface of the container. Adding passive heat sinks like radiator fins would increase the efficiency as i...
Congrats, you've invented a radiator. |
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sp3ctr4l
lemmy.dbzer0.com
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-04-10 |
Very fair. I forget my selfishness on occasion. Thank you for reminding me that I am not the center of the universe.
Its ok, I can come over and cut you a little bit, if you're into that. ... I've done martial arts long enough that I've literally acquired a taste for blood, having been punched in the face enough. |
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WoodScientist
lemmy.world
WoodScientist@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-09-06 |
noo get the oily greasy food away from technology 😭
The resulting grease fire will increase the electrical power->heat conversion calculation to over 100%! |
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psud
aussie.zone
psud@aussie.zone Joined: 2023-07-26 |
So not a heater...but the universe.
Typically a heater is in a room, so any light doesn't need to go further than the nearby walls |
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can
sh.itjust.works
can@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-10 |
Having been on long term sick leave for 15 years means you have to do something with your time and I spend a lot of it learning new things to various depths. I now understand why some (though not all) older people are angry: when you know a lot about a lot you see how bad many things are. There's so much inefficiency, shit design, shit quality, shit shit everywhere. It hard to not let it get to you.
And as things degrade you remember how it was. |
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Aussiemandeus
aussie.zone
Aussiemandeus@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-07-31 |
The resulting grease fire will increase the electrical power->heat conversion calculation to over 100%!
We need you to get on the Haron collider asap |
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i_love_FFT
jlai.lu
i_love_FFT@jlai.luJoined: 2024-10-18 |
So a bunch of the other comments have mentioned this but you would be creating a thermal battery essentially. These can be useful for smoothing out the temperature changes in that room but it isn't exactly efficient since the only way to heat or cool it is by changing the temperature at the surface of the container. Adding passive heat sinks like radiator fins would increase the efficiency as i...
Move it deep underground, congtats you just invented geothermal 😁 |
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girsaysdoom
sh.itjust.works
girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-07-02 |
Move it deep underground, congtats you just invented geothermal 😁
Honestly, not even that deep can used for geothermal. You can dig 6 feet deep for a horizontal ground loop in most places and still be completely usable for a ground source heatpump. |
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ඞmir
lemmy.ml
Amir@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-06-01 |
Oh. Sorry, I'm... actually unfamiliar with concept. Is that basically a sausage with a small loaf of bread baked around it?
Sorry it's a sausage roll in English; it's called sausage bread in Dutch |
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bryndos
fedia.io
bryndos@fedia.io Joined: 2025-07-28 |
In reply to an earlier post
In my country gas is about 2/3rds of residential energy consumption - maybe more than as a share of residential space and water heating. |
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JATth
lemmy.world
JATtho@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-04 |
Power-line losses before your house, so a electric heater is only 96%-85% effecient. When the heating for bird feets is accounted, it's 100%. |
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Ajen
sh.itjust.works
Ajen@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-14 |
Power-line losses before your house, so a electric heater is only 96%-85% effecient. When the heating for bird feets is accounted, it's 100%.
You're assuming this heater is on grid power. We just need to power it by solar panels that are inside the house, under a skylight. Now we've got a 100% efficient heater, just don't ask about PV efficiency... |
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kkj
lemmy.dbzer0.com
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-03-08 |
In reply to an earlier post
I usually issue retractions by just putting a strikethrough on the text of the comment (using double tildes [~~] on each side). |
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YiddishMcSquidish
lemmy.today
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-03-10 |
Its ok, I can come over and cut you a little bit, if you're into that. ... I've done martial arts long enough that I've literally acquired a taste for blood, having been punched in the face enough.
All who are chill with, and have, being punched in the face are welcome. |
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M0oP0o
mander.xyz
M0oP0o@mander.xyzJoined: 2023-06-13 |
In my country gas is about 2/3rds of residential energy consumption - maybe more than as a share of residential space and water heating.
And you operate the power plant in your room? Why do you need a space heater then, just how cold is it there?! |
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sp3ctr4l
lemmy.dbzer0.com
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-04-10 |
Sorry it's a sausage roll in English; it's called sausage bread in Dutch https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saucijzenbroodje
Ah ok! I don't speak Dutch, but it looks like a kind of ... flakier, pastry style bread... honestly looks delicious! Closest thing I've personally had to that would probably be a piroshki/pirogi, or maybe a calzone, but those both use more... bready breads, if that makes any sense, lol. |
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sp3ctr4l
lemmy.dbzer0.com
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-04-10 |
Not me. I leave my power bricks at the bus station and tell them don't call until you have daddy's money.
... so... you're saying I can rent a power brick from you? |
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GreenKnight23
lemmy.world
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-09-21 |
Power-line losses before your house, so a electric heater is only 96%-85% effecient. When the heating for bird feets is accounted, it's 100%.
what if you're running it directly from a generator? |
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BlackLaZoR
lemmy.world
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-02-26 |
What about electro-magnetic losses? |
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JATth
lemmy.world
JATtho@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-04 |
what if you're running it directly from a generator?
If the generator is inside the house, 100%. But then you could just burn the fuel... |
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EvilHankVenture
lemmy.world
EvilHankVenture@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-02 |
Power-line losses before your house, so a electric heater is only 96%-85% effecient. When the heating for bird feets is accounted, it's 100%.
Blaming the heater for losses in the power lines doesn't seem fair. |
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nexguy
lemmy.world
nexguy@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-11 |
Typically a heater is in a room, so any light doesn't need to go further than the nearby walls
But a heater produces heat and light. The light might turn into heat later but that's not heat from the heater. Otherwise everything is s heater and it's all part of the same heater... the universe. |
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GreenKnight23
lemmy.world
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-09-21 |
If the generator is inside the house, 100%. But then you could just burn the fuel...
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Anna
lemmy.ml
AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-06-11 |
What about heat pumps they have efficiency in the range of 200-300% |
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StumblingWasabi
lemmy.today
StumblingWasabi@lemmy.today Joined: 2026-04-27 |
Power-line losses before your house, so a electric heater is only 96%-85% effecient. When the heating for bird feets is accounted, it's 100%.
Well it is heat. If we count power lines as part of an electric heater I'd say that's still effective. |
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Zerush
lemmy.ml
Zerush@lemmy.mlJoined: 2021-04-25 |
In reply to an earlier post
Setup sponsored by Cyberpunk 2077: Ultimate Edition, to have a real toasting effect. |
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MashedTech
lemmy.world
MashedTech@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-08-12 |
noo get the oily greasy food away from technology 😭
What are you, afraid of fire? This is progress. Cavemen were bold and progressed. |
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janAkali
lemmy.4d2.org
janakali@lemmy.4d2.org Joined: 2026-04-06 |
In reply to an earlier post
Main effect of a brushless motor is moving matter really fast, which, on a molecular level, is same as heating it. |
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TheEmpireStrikesDak
thelemmy.club
DakRalter@thelemmy.clubJoined: 2023-06-15 |
No way a teacher wouldn't know this! |
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kamen
lemmy.world
kamen@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-19 |
This kid is going places. |
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mastod0n
lemmy.world
mastod0n@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-02-08 |
I mean isn't this wrong? It may be near 100% but there's never 100% conversion to a single kind of energy. For example, even if it's just a tiny faction, magnetic field convert electrical energy to kinetic energy, no? |
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visc
lemmy.world
visc@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-03 |
Power-line losses before your house, so a electric heater is only 96%-85% effecient. When the heating for bird feets is accounted, it's 100%.
Unless it makes a noise or a light that escapes the house |
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