GrapheneOS has partnered with Motorola and were supposed to see phones that come with GOS sometime in 2027

Plus Odin is a pain to work with as you have to rely on leaked tools (Odin3 for Windows and Odin4 for Linux) to do anything official.

How come Linux worked on desktop but on phones it is having such a hard time even tho Android has the linux kernel( i think).

Is PC hardware more open and known to everyone about everything while mobile dosent? And if that is the case then why arent phone opening itself for support?

Because ARM is a fucking mess. Each device has it's own way of booting. There's no standard like UEFI or BIOS.

Plus you need propreitary code for modem to support 2G, 3G, 4G....etc. which are complicated to implement.

so, Linux does work, a lot of stuff works. There is nothing fundamentally different about phones other than them basically all running on ARM instead of x86, which is more common for PCs. More development of stuff for X86 Linux than ARM Linux, although less of a difference than there use to be.

Really the issue is proprietary stuff built on top of android and IOS. Stuff that a lot of useful apps rely on for security and functionality. For instance banking apps are super locked down for obvious reasons, but the standards that have been adopted by the industry for mobile banking are all entangled with proprietary close source stuff.

It's pretty funny that out of all the manufacturers Graphene doesn't find acceptable, they went with Motorola in the end lmao. Were Nokia and Ericsson not available?

I wonder if that's influenced by inventory control industry. Motorola/Zebra has been in that industry in a way that Samsung/apple/LG hasn't been and they run Android now almost by default. I've used some older windows ce devices and modern ones are using Android, having more control over the device would be a huge advantage for those devices.

Next time you see someone doing inventory/receiving try and get a look at what devices they are using.

When smartphones became a thing, everyone had Samsungs. I played around on a classmate's Samsung Galaxy Whateverthefuck (might've been a Gio or a Y) and in addition to the hardware itself being shit because it was a low-end device in like 2010 or 2011, the software was HORRIBLE. So I vowed never to buy a Samsung and I still haven't. Maybe their software got good, maybe it didn't... But my first smartphone was an Xperia and the one after that was the second-gen Moto G. Quite stock-like Android and that's what I've preferred since (though I'm now on iOS, but that's a different story)

The Free Software Foundation is actively working on this (reverse-engineering Android proprietary blobs, see Librephone project). It hasn't even been a year yet since they began, but I'm rooting for them.

I thought it was e/OS but you're probably right.

Just double checked you're right it is graphene their going with

Fairphone do work with Ubuntu Touch.

Would that be a good focus? To get a unified standard for ARM developed to get many devs together to make software/OS'es for it and adapt phones to use those OS'es

Who knows but GrapeheneOS success with Motorola can encourage other OEM's to want to work with them.

As for why not maybe Nokia/ Ericsson people aren't aware of it somehow or not focused on how good it is as an alternative

Definitely would love to see what Nokia does with GrapheneOS. Also, never heard of Ericsson till now what do they specialize in/what do people like about them?

Please and thanks

Wait really? Ooo I have to check that out. Thanks!

@cdzero @viov Btw, Ubuntu mobile is long ceased to exist, what is this ubuntu touch thing now?

For F-Droid and for Accrescent too. Both would be amazing love this!! Added that suggestion to my latest post post on europe@feddit.org about things people want

Here's the link to the post:

https://lemmy.world/post/46554959

Really? I have PostmarketOS on my Fairphone. No audio and really slow WiFi. This is unusable.

@viov @pineapple That they are not fair et all. A really fair phone should start at that you can install its OS from a pendrive. Fairphone is a big f.g lie.