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iso
lemy.lol
iso@lemy.lolJoined: 2023-07-07 |
If I hadn't given the instance to someone else, I would have considered leaving a community note on Rimu's user page with a red exclamation mark saying "this user is a complete idiot". |
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Goferking0
ttrpg.network
Goferking0@ttrpg.network Joined: 2023-11-27 |
::: spoiler Here is the (piefed.social only) warnlist in readable format | aa.com.tr | Turkish state media | | adele.pages.casa | LLM-generated posts | | bild.de | A tabloid that has been unfavourably compared to The Sun, and is considered generally unreliable. | | browsergate.eu | AI slop | | caixinglobal.com | LLM-generated posts | | chainalysis.com | LLM-generated posts | | coindesk.com | Cr...
Why is the intercept on there?? |
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Goferking0
ttrpg.network
Goferking0@ttrpg.network Joined: 2023-11-27 |
Will you provide context for state run Zionist propaganda like the BBC?
Or other ones like radio free Asia? |
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Goferking0
ttrpg.network
Goferking0@ttrpg.network Joined: 2023-11-27 |
I think Rimu has tied this warning to the peoplesdispatch.org domain. I think this is a custom thing he did to his instance, because I didn’t find it in the PieFed codebase. [ETA: it is in the codebase, in a separate repo]. [ETA: I’m told that no specific site warnings are baked into the code, just the feature is. For site blocks, there is an optional default list of domains, which I’m told con...
It being in a separate repo is great but worse if not visible anywhere. Especially as it's just an install step calling it something completely different. |
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Goferking0
ttrpg.network
Goferking0@ttrpg.network Joined: 2023-11-27 |
MOG was upset that Lemmy had a slur filter for a time, they absolutely would crash out if Lemmy devs did anything near this.
Aren't they still using that as a complaint/call for censorship??? |
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Cowbee [he/they]
lemmy.ml
Cowbee@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-12-31 |
Aren't they still using that as a complaint/call for censorship???
Yep, lol. |
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mrdown
lemmy.world
mrdown@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-07-20 |
Will they have a warning label for Zionist outlets? |
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fiat_lux
lemmy.zip
fiat_lux@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-04-24 |
It's not smuggled, during initial setup when installing the blocklist it prints this on the screen: Added 'No-QAnon' blocklist, see https://github.com/rimu/no-qanon
If I saw this, I would not assume that Gawker, WikiLeaks, or FOX Weather would be included in a blocklist called "No-QAnon". The list itself might not be smuggled, but it's not accurately representing itself either. If it has simply evolved over time, then it needs to be renamed or split into separate blocklists. Additionally, if someone installing this changes their mind or realizes that what they received is not what they expected, then requiring them to either directly modify the database or click "remove" over 3000 times is arguably a dark pattern. |
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poVoq
slrpnk.net
poVoq@slrpnk.netJoined: 2022-09-19 |
It's also very telling they named it noqanon. While sounds great weird that would trigger ml warnings as no one would consider qanon that
The noqanon list and the OP warning sign are two different things. The first is a default url blocklist that gets pulled on first start of a Piefed instance and which contains extreme right-wing and mis-information outlets. The domain warning sign mentioned in OP is a separate list only manually added to the piefed.social flagship instance. |
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ZombiFrancis
sh.itjust.works
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-24 |
This is a strong and succinct argument, cheers. We need peoplesdispatch.org I think it's valuable thing to have a take on events from their angle. Yet it needs to be read with an understanding that they have an angle. Using the warning icon to provide that understanding is clunky and wasn't really intended for that purpose. There has been some drift in the usage away from the original idea behi...
It's just an armband. You know. To help with context. |
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ZombiFrancis
sh.itjust.works
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-24 |
Are we supposed to bring back the whole history every time Rimu comments anywhere? an anarchist.nexus admin calls for murder of Zionists in their username a LW admin and Rimu gets qualified as Zionists in dbzer0 community modlogs LW defederates anarchist.nexus Rimu bans that admin that anarchist.nexus admin changes their username and steps down as admin LW refederates anarchist.nexus Rimu asks ...
The omissions in this timeline about brigading sockpuppets and falsified nazi smears... But to list that timeline and act as though this is out of context or unrelated to an ongoing crashout... we are reaching some Hasan's dog collar level of bullshit. |
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ZombiFrancis
sh.itjust.works
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-24 |
The difference between a proprietary, politically charged, censored echo chamber and an open source "do whatever you want" platform should be obvious though. Free speech is about the right to say what you want, meaning the government isn't supposed to repress you for it, but it doesn't guarantee the opportunity to do so on other people's private platforms. However, in this case, you're free to ...
Yeah, but let's take a step back for a moment here and look at how the Fediverse is run by people. These communities and instances are all equipped to take action, moderate, curate, and create. The people on the Fediverse are well equipped to grapple with the Paradox of Intolerance in a public forum without the walls listening in and making decisions about doors. |
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Goferking0
ttrpg.network
Goferking0@ttrpg.network Joined: 2023-11-27 |
The noqanon list and the OP warning sign are two different things. The first is a default url blocklist that gets pulled on first start of a Piefed instance and which contains extreme right-wing and mis-information outlets. The domain warning sign mentioned in OP is a separate list only manually added to the piefed.social flagship instance.
This gets back to how poorly designed piefed is and rimus explanations. The domain block list having more than qanon and being part of the install while not saying anything about what it actually brings in is poor design choice. Along with it apparently only being disabled by individually checking the list in the ui.
Rimu made it sound like they were connected in the qanon repo |
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Goferking0
ttrpg.network
Goferking0@ttrpg.network Joined: 2023-11-27 |
Will they have a warning label for Zionist outlets?
Unsurprisingly not currently. Based on current behavior and responses doubtful in future |
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Lojcs
piefed.social
Lojcs@piefed.social Joined: 2025-06-30 |
I mean, you can just add the federation aspect. It's opensource, the code is at your fingertips to change as you please.
Do you honestly not see the difference between these two? Deleting a couple lines of code or a file is just not the same as adding a feature to a codebase. |
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luciferofastora
feddit.org
luciferofastora@feddit.org Joined: 2025-02-07 |
Yeah, but let's take a step back for a moment here and look at how the Fediverse is run by people. These communities and instances are all equipped to take action, moderate, curate, and create. The people on the Fediverse are well equipped to grapple with the Paradox of Intolerance in a public forum without the walls listening in and making decisions about doors.
I'm not sure what you mean with "walls listening in" when we're talking about a public forum, but the doors are perfectly openable. As the creator stated elsewhere, you can unban individual pages or delete the whole list. The "decision" is more like a suggestion. I understand you'd rather not have that suggestion preconfigured. I personally see no harm in it. |
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mathemachristian [he/him]
lemmy.blahaj.zone
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2025-06-05 |
Will they have a warning label for Zionist outlets?
Nah but they have some for theintercept and electronicintifada ... |
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mrdown
lemmy.world
mrdown@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-07-20 |
Unsurprisingly not currently. Based on current behavior and responses doubtful in future https://lemmy.ml/comment/25577925
Yeah. My question was not a serious one. I knew the answer. |
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davel
lemmy.ml
davel@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-08 |
Why is the intercept on there??
Who knows? Only Rimu. Maybe because they blew up the Paper of Record’s disinformation piece that manufactured consent for genocide. Edit to add (and mentioned recently): |
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ZombiFrancis
sh.itjust.works
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-24 |
without the walls listening in and making decisions about doors. I'm not sure what you mean with "walls listening in" when we're talking about a public forum, but the doors are perfectly openable. As the creator stated elsewhere, you can unban individual pages or delete the whole list. The "decision" is more like a suggestion. I understand you'd rather not have that suggestion preconfigured. I ...
What I mean is the code infrastructure of the public forum doesn't need to do what the users operating the platform do. These sorts of flags and tags for judgements on commentary have a direct impact on interactions between users, which is the door part of analogy. |
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reagansrottencorpse
lemmy.ml
reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml Joined: 2024-03-19 |
I wish lemmy admins could take the code away from these dorks. |
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redrum
lemmy.ml
redrumBot@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-06-25 |
::: spoiler Reformated it as a table url reason aa.com.tr Turkish state media adele.pages.casa LLM-generated posts bild.de A tabloid that has been unfavourably compared to The Sun, and is considered generally unreliable. browsergate.eu AI slop caixinglobal.com LLM-generated posts chainalysis.com LLM-generated posts coindesk.com Crypto boosters counterpunch.org Not always reliable. dailysabah.co...
🤦🏽 |
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GuyIncognito
lemmy.ca
GuyIncognito@lemmy.caJoined: 2026-01-22 |
It's right in the name. Fed. |
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Goferking0
ttrpg.network
Goferking0@ttrpg.network Joined: 2023-11-27 |
[removed by moderator]
Plus there's rimu trying to tie lemmy as right wing (to maga and 4chan clones) because they used it as a platform... Actually rimu is perfect fit with the lemmy.world admins and mods. Try to do the but are just incredibly terrible at messaging. |
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mathemachristian [he/him]
lemmy.blahaj.zone
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2025-06-05 |
I think Rimu has tied this warning to the peoplesdispatch.org domain. I think this is a custom thing he did to his instance, because I didn’t find it in the PieFed codebase. [ETA: it is in the codebase, in a separate repo]. [ETA: I’m told that no specific site warnings are baked into the code, just the feature is. For site blocks, there is an optional default list of domains, which I’m told con...
The blocked domains are, the ones with a warning like in the screenshot are configured on a per-instance basis |
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davel
lemmy.ml
davel@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-07-08 |
it is in the codebase, in a separate repo The blocked domains are, the ones with a warning like in the screenshot are configured on a per-instance basis
Ah, thanks. If the default blocklist only contains heinous sites, then I have no issues worth mentioning with this aspect of the code. |
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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
lemmy.ml
yogthos@lemmy.mlJoined: 2020-01-18 |
The whole piefed thing has to be a bit right? |
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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
lemmy.ml
yogthos@lemmy.mlJoined: 2020-01-18 |
I'm happy to explain. You could have just asked, though. During initial installation PieFed downloads a big list of 3000 right-wing domains from https://github.com/rimu/no-qanon and blocks them all. Admins can unblock them if they want but they would need to do them individually so I bet none do. The list includes things like fox news, breitbart, etc. Before starting work on PieFed I spent 3? y...
You're the single biggest troll in the fediverse. Congrats on the dedication to the bit you're doing. |
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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
lemmy.ml
yogthos@lemmy.mlJoined: 2020-01-18 |
Are we supposed to bring back the whole history every time Rimu comments anywhere? an anarchist.nexus admin calls for murder of Zionists in their username a LW admin and Rimu gets qualified as Zionists in dbzer0 community modlogs LW defederates anarchist.nexus Rimu bans that admin that anarchist.nexus admin changes their username and steps down as admin LW refederates anarchist.nexus Rimu asks ...
Yes, it's very important to remind people what sort of a troll Rimu really is. |
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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
lemmy.ml
yogthos@lemmy.mlJoined: 2020-01-18 |
::: spoiler Reformated it as a table url reason aa.com.tr Turkish state media adele.pages.casa LLM-generated posts bild.de A tabloid that has been unfavourably compared to The Sun, and is considered generally unreliable. browsergate.eu AI slop caixinglobal.com LLM-generated posts chainalysis.com LLM-generated posts coindesk.com Crypto boosters counterpunch.org Not always reliable. dailysabah.co...
I love how it's basically a list of all the mainstream non western outlets. |
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mathemachristian [he/him]
lemmy.blahaj.zone
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2025-06-05 |
Ah, thanks. If the default blocklist only contains heinous sites, then I have no issues worth mentioning with this aspect of the code.
I mean it at least includes wikileaks.org, but I don't think anyone is gonna audit 3000 domains anytime soon. |
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Edie [it/it/its/its/itself, she/her/her/hers/herself]
lemmy.ml
Edie@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-07-10 |
Before starting work on PieFed I spent 3? years studying right wing disinformation - qanon, antivax, all that and that blocklist is an output from that. Every site on that list was reviewed personally. - Rimu 🤦🏽
That seems to be about the other list. The noqanon one. |
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redrum
lemmy.ml
redrumBot@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-06-25 |
That seems to be about the other list. The noqanon one.
I'm not sure. The post was about this list and the warning about a supposed Marxist-Leninist web. How an antifascist list has been created is unrelated, then, the logical conclusion is that was created at the same time or that was a bad faith and manipulative answer. |
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IndustryStandard
lemmy.world
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-01-18 |
Are we supposed to bring back the whole history every time Rimu comments anywhere? an anarchist.nexus admin calls for murder of Zionists in their username a LW admin and Rimu gets qualified as Zionists in dbzer0 community modlogs LW defederates anarchist.nexus Rimu bans that admin that anarchist.nexus admin changes their username and steps down as admin LW refederates anarchist.nexus Rimu asks ...
You think defederating because they call for death upon Zionists is a win? |
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Five
slrpnk.net
Five@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-08-18 |
Two years ago, Lemmy.world tried a similar move with their MediaBiasFactCheck bot. It was soundly rejected by the community, and they finally relented after weeks of outcry. Why is @Rimu putting us through this again? |
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Goferking0
ttrpg.network
Goferking0@ttrpg.network Joined: 2023-11-27 |
Two years ago, Lemmy.world tried a similar move with their MediaBiasFactCheck bot. It was soundly rejected by the community, and they finally relented after weeks of outcry. Why is @Rimu putting us through this again?
The take away was make it embedded everywhere rather than a bot addition |
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FreedomAdvocate
lemmy.net.au
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au Joined: 2025-04-26 Banned |
PieFed isn't left wing, it's overwhelmingly liberal.
It definitely isn’t lol. Banning all right wing sources while allowing left wing really screams liberalism over left wing lol. |
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hoagecko (he/his)
sh.itjust.works
hoagecko@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2025-08-10 |
Two years ago, Lemmy.world tried a similar move with their MediaBiasFactCheck bot. It was soundly rejected by the community, and they finally relented after weeks of outcry. Why is @Rimu putting us through this again?
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Rimu
piefed.social
rimu@piefed.socialJoined: 2024-01-04 |
Interesting how this thread started out about me being too right wing and now for other people it’s about me being too left wing. Heh. It's not about that, really. You'll always be too left for some and too right for others. The problem is a single person, regardless of their views, policing what others get to see or not to see, on all instances, globally. Decentralization of power is the name ...
Thank you for that, I'll think about it. |
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Allero
lemmy.today
Allero@lemmy.today Joined: 2023-12-20 |
Thank you for that, I'll think about it.
Jesus, some folks so revved up they can't stop brigading :D Thank you! |
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Cowbee [he/they]
lemmy.ml
Cowbee@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-12-31 |
It definitely isn’t lol. Banning all right wing sources while allowing left wing really screams liberalism over left wing lol.
Many of the "right-wing sources" are left wing sources that Rimu wants to drag as right-wing, and left wing sources get a warning while liberal ones do not. |
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krolden
lemmy.ml
krolden@lemmy.mlJoined: 2020-06-30 |
In reply to an earlier post
Stop making concessions to them |
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SpookyBogMonster
lemmy.ml
SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-06-02 |
In reply to an earlier post
Just log off, please. Nobody likes this shit |
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robyn
lemmy.org
robyn@lemmy.orgJoined: 2026-03-23 |
The take away was make it embedded everywhere rather than a bot addition
Embedded where though |
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subversive_dev
lemmy.ml
Transform2942@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-05-07 |
Embedded where though
In the source code of the piefed software itself |
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ProdigalFrog
slrpnk.net
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-07-04 |
It's right in the name. Fed.
I mean... Same for Fediverse, and Federation? |
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njm1314
lemmy.world
njm1314@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-21 |
The take away was make it embedded everywhere rather than a bot addition
The takeaway was it fucking sucked and I hated it. |
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GuyIncognito
lemmy.ca
GuyIncognito@lemmy.caJoined: 2026-01-22 |
I mean... Same for Fediverse, and Federation?
or Federal agent |
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ProdigalFrog
slrpnk.net
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-07-04 |
or Federal agent
I understood the reference, but if we're going by that logic, the Fediverse itself is a federal ploy. |
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GuyIncognito
lemmy.ca
GuyIncognito@lemmy.caJoined: 2026-01-22 |
I understood the reference, but if we're going by that logic, the Fediverse itself is a federal ploy.
You never know... |
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