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iso lemy.lol iso@lemy.lol
Joined: 2023-07-07
#52 · Quote Reply

If I hadn't given the instance to someone else, I would have considered leaving a community note on Rimu's user page with a red exclamation mark saying "this user is a complete idiot".

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Goferking0 ttrpg.network Goferking0@ttrpg.network
Joined: 2023-11-27
#53 · Quote Reply

::: spoiler Here is the (piefed.social only) warnlist in readable format | aa.com.tr | Turkish state media | | adele.pages.casa | LLM-generated posts | | bild.de | A tabloid that has been unfavourably compared to The Sun, and is considered generally unreliable. | | browsergate.eu | AI slop | | caixinglobal.com | LLM-generated posts | | chainalysis.com | LLM-generated posts | | coindesk.com | Cr...

Why is the intercept on there??

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Goferking0 ttrpg.network Goferking0@ttrpg.network
Joined: 2023-11-27
#54 · Quote Reply

Will you provide context for state run Zionist propaganda like the BBC?

Or other ones like radio free Asia?

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Goferking0 ttrpg.network Goferking0@ttrpg.network
Joined: 2023-11-27
#55 · Quote Reply

I think Rimu has tied this warning to the peoplesdispatch.org domain. I think this is a custom thing he did to his instance, because I didn’t find it in the PieFed codebase. [ETA: it is in the codebase, in a separate repo]. [ETA: I’m told that no specific site warnings are baked into the code, just the feature is. For site blocks, there is an optional default list of domains, which I’m told con...

It being in a separate repo is great but worse if not visible anywhere. Especially as it's just an install step calling it something completely different.

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Goferking0 ttrpg.network Goferking0@ttrpg.network
Joined: 2023-11-27
#56 · Quote Reply

MOG was upset that Lemmy had a slur filter for a time, they absolutely would crash out if Lemmy devs did anything near this.

Aren't they still using that as a complaint/call for censorship???

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Cowbee [he/they] lemmy.ml Cowbee@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-12-31
#57 · Quote Reply

Aren't they still using that as a complaint/call for censorship???

Yep, lol.

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mrdown lemmy.world mrdown@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-07-20
#58 · Quote Reply

Will they have a warning label for Zionist outlets?

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fiat_lux lemmy.zip fiat_lux@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-04-24
#59 · (edited) Quote Reply

It's not smuggled, during initial setup when installing the blocklist it prints this on the screen: Added 'No-QAnon' blocklist, see https://github.com/rimu/no-qanon

If I saw this, I would not assume that Gawker, WikiLeaks, or FOX Weather would be included in a blocklist called "No-QAnon". The list itself might not be smuggled, but it's not accurately representing itself either. If it has simply evolved over time, then it needs to be renamed or split into separate blocklists.

Additionally, if someone installing this changes their mind or realizes that what they received is not what they expected, then requiring them to either directly modify the database or click "remove" over 3000 times is arguably a dark pattern.

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poVoq slrpnk.net poVoq@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2022-09-19
#60 · (edited) Quote Reply

It's also very telling they named it noqanon. While sounds great weird that would trigger ml warnings as no one would consider qanon that

The noqanon list and the OP warning sign are two different things.

The first is a default url blocklist that gets pulled on first start of a Piefed instance and which contains extreme right-wing and mis-information outlets.

The domain warning sign mentioned in OP is a separate list only manually added to the piefed.social flagship instance.

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ZombiFrancis sh.itjust.works ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-24
#61 · Quote Reply

This is a strong and succinct argument, cheers. We need peoplesdispatch.org I think it's valuable thing to have a take on events from their angle. Yet it needs to be read with an understanding that they have an angle. Using the warning icon to provide that understanding is clunky and wasn't really intended for that purpose. There has been some drift in the usage away from the original idea behi...

It's just an armband. You know. To help with context.

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ZombiFrancis sh.itjust.works ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-24
#62 · Quote Reply

Are we supposed to bring back the whole history every time Rimu comments anywhere? an anarchist.nexus admin calls for murder of Zionists in their username a LW admin and Rimu gets qualified as Zionists in dbzer0 community modlogs LW defederates anarchist.nexus Rimu bans that admin that anarchist.nexus admin changes their username and steps down as admin LW refederates anarchist.nexus Rimu asks ...

The omissions in this timeline about brigading sockpuppets and falsified nazi smears...

But to list that timeline and act as though this is out of context or unrelated to an ongoing crashout... we are reaching some Hasan's dog collar level of bullshit.

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ZombiFrancis sh.itjust.works ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-24
#63 · (edited) Quote Reply

The difference between a proprietary, politically charged, censored echo chamber and an open source "do whatever you want" platform should be obvious though. Free speech is about the right to say what you want, meaning the government isn't supposed to repress you for it, but it doesn't guarantee the opportunity to do so on other people's private platforms. However, in this case, you're free to ...

Yeah, but let's take a step back for a moment here and look at how the Fediverse is run by people. These communities and instances are all equipped to take action, moderate, curate, and create.

The people on the Fediverse are well equipped to grapple with the Paradox of Intolerance in a public forum without the walls listening in and making decisions about doors.

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Goferking0 ttrpg.network Goferking0@ttrpg.network
Joined: 2023-11-27
#64 · Quote Reply

The noqanon list and the OP warning sign are two different things. The first is a default url blocklist that gets pulled on first start of a Piefed instance and which contains extreme right-wing and mis-information outlets. The domain warning sign mentioned in OP is a separate list only manually added to the piefed.social flagship instance.

This gets back to how poorly designed piefed is and rimus explanations.

The domain block list having more than qanon and being part of the install while not saying anything about what it actually brings in is poor design choice. Along with it apparently only being disabled by individually checking the list in the ui.

The domain warning sign mentioned in OP is a separate list only manually added to the piefed.social flagship instance

Rimu made it sound like they were connected in the qanon repo

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Goferking0 ttrpg.network Goferking0@ttrpg.network
Joined: 2023-11-27
#65 · Quote Reply

Will they have a warning label for Zionist outlets?

Unsurprisingly not currently. Based on current behavior and responses doubtful in future

https://lemmy.ml/comment/25577925

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Lojcs piefed.social Lojcs@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-06-30
#66 · Quote Reply

I mean, you can just add the federation aspect. It's opensource, the code is at your fingertips to change as you please.

Do you honestly not see the difference between these two? Deleting a couple lines of code or a file is just not the same as adding a feature to a codebase.

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luciferofastora feddit.org luciferofastora@feddit.org
Joined: 2025-02-07
#67 · Quote Reply

Yeah, but let's take a step back for a moment here and look at how the Fediverse is run by people. These communities and instances are all equipped to take action, moderate, curate, and create. The people on the Fediverse are well equipped to grapple with the Paradox of Intolerance in a public forum without the walls listening in and making decisions about doors.

without the walls listening in and making decisions about doors.

I'm not sure what you mean with "walls listening in" when we're talking about a public forum, but the doors are perfectly openable. As the creator stated elsewhere, you can unban individual pages or delete the whole list. The "decision" is more like a suggestion.

I understand you'd rather not have that suggestion preconfigured. I personally see no harm in it.

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mathemachristian [he/him] lemmy.blahaj.zone mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2025-06-05
#68 · Quote Reply

Will they have a warning label for Zionist outlets?

Nah but they have some for theintercept and electronicintifada ...

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mrdown lemmy.world mrdown@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-07-20
#69 · Quote Reply

Unsurprisingly not currently. Based on current behavior and responses doubtful in future https://lemmy.ml/comment/25577925

Yeah. My question was not a serious one. I knew the answer.

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davel lemmy.ml davel@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-07-08
#70 · (edited) Quote Reply

Why is the intercept on there??

Who knows? Only Rimu. Maybe because they blew up the Paper of Record’s disinformation piece that manufactured consent for genocide.


Edit to add (and mentioned recently):
Disputing genocide accusations that the imperial core flings on its enemies, though, that’s his “red line.”

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ZombiFrancis sh.itjust.works ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-24
#71 · Quote Reply

without the walls listening in and making decisions about doors. I'm not sure what you mean with "walls listening in" when we're talking about a public forum, but the doors are perfectly openable. As the creator stated elsewhere, you can unban individual pages or delete the whole list. The "decision" is more like a suggestion. I understand you'd rather not have that suggestion preconfigured. I ...

I'm not sure what you mean with "walls listening in" when we're talking about a public forum, but the doors are perfectly openable.

What I mean is the code infrastructure of the public forum doesn't need to do what the users operating the platform do. These sorts of flags and tags for judgements on commentary have a direct impact on interactions between users, which is the door part of analogy.

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reagansrottencorpse lemmy.ml reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-03-19
#72 · Quote Reply

I wish lemmy admins could take the code away from these dorks.

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redrum lemmy.ml redrumBot@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-06-25
#73 · Quote Reply

::: spoiler Reformated it as a table url reason aa.com.tr Turkish state media adele.pages.casa LLM-generated posts bild.de A tabloid that has been unfavourably compared to The Sun, and is considered generally unreliable. browsergate.eu AI slop caixinglobal.com LLM-generated posts chainalysis.com LLM-generated posts coindesk.com Crypto boosters counterpunch.org Not always reliable. dailysabah.co...

Before starting work on PieFed I spent 3? years studying right wing disinformation - qanon, antivax, all that and that blocklist is an output from that. Every site on that list was reviewed personally.
- Rimu

🤦🏽

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GuyIncognito lemmy.ca GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2026-01-22
#74 · Quote Reply

It's right in the name. Fed.

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Goferking0 ttrpg.network Goferking0@ttrpg.network
Joined: 2023-11-27
#75 · Quote Reply

[removed by moderator]

Plus there's rimu trying to tie lemmy as right wing (to maga and 4chan clones) because they used it as a platform...

Actually rimu is perfect fit with the lemmy.world admins and mods. Try to do the but are just incredibly terrible at messaging.

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mathemachristian [he/him] lemmy.blahaj.zone mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2025-06-05
#76 · Quote Reply

I think Rimu has tied this warning to the peoplesdispatch.org domain. I think this is a custom thing he did to his instance, because I didn’t find it in the PieFed codebase. [ETA: it is in the codebase, in a separate repo]. [ETA: I’m told that no specific site warnings are baked into the code, just the feature is. For site blocks, there is an optional default list of domains, which I’m told con...

it is in the codebase, in a separate repo

The blocked domains are, the ones with a warning like in the screenshot are configured on a per-instance basis

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davel lemmy.ml davel@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-07-08
#77 · Quote Reply

it is in the codebase, in a separate repo The blocked domains are, the ones with a warning like in the screenshot are configured on a per-instance basis

Ah, thanks. If the default blocklist only contains heinous sites, then I have no issues worth mentioning with this aspect of the code.

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ lemmy.ml yogthos@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2020-01-18
#78 · Quote Reply

The whole piefed thing has to be a bit right?

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ lemmy.ml yogthos@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2020-01-18
#79 · (edited) Quote Reply

I'm happy to explain. You could have just asked, though. During initial installation PieFed downloads a big list of 3000 right-wing domains from https://github.com/rimu/no-qanon and blocks them all. Admins can unblock them if they want but they would need to do them individually so I bet none do. The list includes things like fox news, breitbart, etc. Before starting work on PieFed I spent 3? y...

You're the single biggest troll in the fediverse. Congrats on the dedication to the bit you're doing.

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ lemmy.ml yogthos@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2020-01-18
#80 · (edited) Quote Reply

Are we supposed to bring back the whole history every time Rimu comments anywhere? an anarchist.nexus admin calls for murder of Zionists in their username a LW admin and Rimu gets qualified as Zionists in dbzer0 community modlogs LW defederates anarchist.nexus Rimu bans that admin that anarchist.nexus admin changes their username and steps down as admin LW refederates anarchist.nexus Rimu asks ...

Yes, it's very important to remind people what sort of a troll Rimu really is.

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ lemmy.ml yogthos@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2020-01-18
#81 · Quote Reply

::: spoiler Reformated it as a table url reason aa.com.tr Turkish state media adele.pages.casa LLM-generated posts bild.de A tabloid that has been unfavourably compared to The Sun, and is considered generally unreliable. browsergate.eu AI slop caixinglobal.com LLM-generated posts chainalysis.com LLM-generated posts coindesk.com Crypto boosters counterpunch.org Not always reliable. dailysabah.co...

I love how it's basically a list of all the mainstream non western outlets.

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mathemachristian [he/him] lemmy.blahaj.zone mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2025-06-05
#82 · Quote Reply

Ah, thanks. If the default blocklist only contains heinous sites, then I have no issues worth mentioning with this aspect of the code.

I mean it at least includes wikileaks.org, but I don't think anyone is gonna audit 3000 domains anytime soon.

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Edie [it/it/its/its/itself, she/her/her/hers/herself] lemmy.ml Edie@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-07-10
#83 · (edited) Quote Reply

Before starting work on PieFed I spent 3? years studying right wing disinformation - qanon, antivax, all that and that blocklist is an output from that. Every site on that list was reviewed personally. - Rimu 🤦🏽

That seems to be about the other list. The noqanon one.

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redrum lemmy.ml redrumBot@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-06-25
#84 · Quote Reply

That seems to be about the other list. The noqanon one.

I'm not sure. The post was about this list and the warning about a supposed Marxist-Leninist web. How an antifascist list has been created is unrelated, then, the logical conclusion is that was created at the same time or that was a bad faith and manipulative answer.

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IndustryStandard lemmy.world IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-01-18
#85 · Quote Reply

Are we supposed to bring back the whole history every time Rimu comments anywhere? an anarchist.nexus admin calls for murder of Zionists in their username a LW admin and Rimu gets qualified as Zionists in dbzer0 community modlogs LW defederates anarchist.nexus Rimu bans that admin that anarchist.nexus admin changes their username and steps down as admin LW refederates anarchist.nexus Rimu asks ...

You think defederating because they call for death upon Zionists is a win?

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Five slrpnk.net Five@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2023-08-18
#86 · Quote Reply

Two years ago, Lemmy.world tried a similar move with their MediaBiasFactCheck bot. It was soundly rejected by the community, and they finally relented after weeks of outcry. Why is @Rimu putting us through this again?

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Goferking0 ttrpg.network Goferking0@ttrpg.network
Joined: 2023-11-27
#87 · Quote Reply

Two years ago, Lemmy.world tried a similar move with their MediaBiasFactCheck bot. It was soundly rejected by the community, and they finally relented after weeks of outcry. Why is @Rimu putting us through this again?

The take away was make it embedded everywhere rather than a bot addition

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FreedomAdvocate lemmy.net.au FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
Joined: 2025-04-26
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#88 · Quote Reply

PieFed isn't left wing, it's overwhelmingly liberal.

It definitely isn’t lol. Banning all right wing sources while allowing left wing really screams liberalism over left wing lol.

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hoagecko (he/his) sh.itjust.works hoagecko@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-08-10
#89 · Quote Reply

Two years ago, Lemmy.world tried a similar move with their MediaBiasFactCheck bot. It was soundly rejected by the community, and they finally relented after weeks of outcry. Why is @Rimu putting us through this again?

Media Bias Fact Check - Automation - Lemmy.World

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Rimu piefed.social rimu@piefed.social
Joined: 2024-01-04
#90 · Quote Reply

Interesting how this thread started out about me being too right wing and now for other people it’s about me being too left wing. Heh. It's not about that, really. You'll always be too left for some and too right for others. The problem is a single person, regardless of their views, policing what others get to see or not to see, on all instances, globally. Decentralization of power is the name ...

Thank you for that, I'll think about it.

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Allero lemmy.today Allero@lemmy.today
Joined: 2023-12-20
#91 · (edited) Quote Reply

Thank you for that, I'll think about it.

Jesus, some folks so revved up they can't stop brigading :D

Thank you!

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Cowbee [he/they] lemmy.ml Cowbee@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-12-31
#92 · Quote Reply

It definitely isn’t lol. Banning all right wing sources while allowing left wing really screams liberalism over left wing lol.

Many of the "right-wing sources" are left wing sources that Rimu wants to drag as right-wing, and left wing sources get a warning while liberal ones do not.

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krolden lemmy.ml krolden@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2020-06-30
#93 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

Stop making concessions to them

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SpookyBogMonster lemmy.ml SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-06-02
#94 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

Just log off, please. Nobody likes this shit

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robyn lemmy.org robyn@lemmy.org
Joined: 2026-03-23
#95 · Quote Reply

The take away was make it embedded everywhere rather than a bot addition

Embedded where though

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subversive_dev lemmy.ml Transform2942@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-05-07
#96 · Quote Reply

Embedded where though

In the source code of the piefed software itself

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ProdigalFrog slrpnk.net ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2023-07-04
#97 · Quote Reply

It's right in the name. Fed.

I mean... Same for Fediverse, and Federation?

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njm1314 lemmy.world njm1314@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-21
#98 · Quote Reply

The take away was make it embedded everywhere rather than a bot addition

The takeaway was it fucking sucked and I hated it.

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GuyIncognito lemmy.ca GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2026-01-22
#99 · Quote Reply

I mean... Same for Fediverse, and Federation?

or Federal agent

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ProdigalFrog slrpnk.net ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2023-07-04
#100 · Quote Reply

or Federal agent

I understood the reference, but if we're going by that logic, the Fediverse itself is a federal ploy.

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GuyIncognito lemmy.ca GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2026-01-22
#101 · Quote Reply

I understood the reference, but if we're going by that logic, the Fediverse itself is a federal ploy.

You never know...

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