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SmoothLiquidation
lemmy.world
SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-17 |
Most of the heating energy would actually be IR, which many types of window glass will be designed to reflect. It probably depends on what kind of coatings are used. Basically all car windows block IR to help keep the inside of the car cool in the sun.
It’s a silly thing, but if it glows orange, and if any of that orange light escapes or is visible from the window, it is not 100% efficient. But this is just pedantic in reality, even cheap heaters will do a good job of converting electricity into heat. |
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Apathy Tree
lemmy.dbzer0.com
ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2023-06-23 |
His videos are why I got a heat pump water heater instead of a standard one when mine died. I figure in summer I can hook the exhaust duct up to my hvac and get a bit of free air conditioning out of it, since I don't have AC yet. Tiny extra bonus piped straight to my bedroom. |
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outerspace
lemmy.zip
outerspace@lemmy.zip Joined: 2024-01-06 |
They're not 100% either, they make noises and emit light. That's loss
Isn't light heat? |
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Custard
lemmy.world
Custard@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-20 |
Hey that's the guy I see once a year at Christmas time! |
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ryannathans
aussie.zone
ryannathans@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-09-20 |
Isn't light heat?
No, but you can use some forms of "light" to heat things If you want confusing specifics, light has negative absolute temperature |
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_stranger_
lemmy.world
_stranger_@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-02 |
They're not 100% either, they make noises and emit light. That's loss
And that light? Albert Einstein. |
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SubArcticTundra
lemmy.ml
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-06-03 |
Hey that's the guy I see once a year at Christmas time!
Coming down your chimney? |
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SubArcticTundra
lemmy.ml
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-06-03 |
Who is that? I love heat pumps too and would happily listen to someone talk about them for hours
This man managed to make a 30 minute video about door stoppers that I watched to the end |
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starik
lemmy.zip
starik@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-12-08 |
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AckPhttt
beehaw.org
AckPhttt@beehaw.org Joined: 2023-09-05 |
Only if that light escapes through a window. Otherwise, it is heat.
Or chemical reactions. |
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weastie
lemmy.world
weastie@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-03 |
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Yup, that little buzz / hum is technically lost energy |
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33550336
lemmy.world
33550336@lemmy.worldJoined: 2024-02-22 |
Even if the heater's energy partially is not wasted by a sound, it certainly is by generating magnetic field. |
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mceldritch
lemmy.world
mceldritch@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-08 |
I came here to see a picture of this man. |
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ViperActual
sh.itjust.works
ViperActual@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-13 |
Coming down your chimney?
No he'll be criticizing your choice of Christmas string lights, or lack thereof. |
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bebabalula
feddit.dk
bebabalula@feddit.dk Joined: 2024-08-28 |
Yup, that little buzz / hum is technically lost energy
Well, if you want to go all “technically” on this, then that sound technically dissipates as heat when it is absorbed by the interior of the room. |
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M0oP0o
mander.xyz
M0oP0o@mander.xyzJoined: 2023-06-13 |
Unless your heater's cable is ridiculously long, it'll be in the right area. The wires in the wall aren't part of the heater and don't factor into its efficiency.
Don't you plug your 50 meter long cord in outside, run it though all the stuff you never want hot and then into the window to run your space heater? I mean if you are heating a room, why would the plug be in that same room? |
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Phoenixz
lemmy.ca
phoenixz@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-10 |
Isn't there also visible, non heating light coming off them.? |
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Bysmuth
lemmy.zip
Bysmuth@lemmy.zip Joined: 2024-07-16 |
Isn't there also visible, non heating light coming off them.?
I think that light also becomes heat again once it strikes a surface |
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SpongyAneurysm
feddit.org
SpongyAneurysm@feddit.org Joined: 2025-06-29 |
Resistive heaters still suck though because Heat pumps give you 200-400% efficiency. So heating wise, “100%” still less than maximally efficient. (Not a violation of thermodynamics btw. Heat pumps use electricity to move heat energy that already exists, so the electric power in is often significantly smaller than the heat coming out of the device)
Strictly speaking that's not efficiency, but a coefficient of performance. And funny enough the work energy doesn't even have to be electricity. It's actually mechanical energy, that is required and you could even power a heat pump with a steam or diesel engine. |
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scratchee
feddit.uk
scratchee@feddit.uk Joined: 2023-07-16 |
Well, if you want to go all “technically” on this, then that sound technically dissipates as heat when it is absorbed by the interior of the room.
Some of it does. Most of it even, but not all of it |
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scratchee
feddit.uk
scratchee@feddit.uk Joined: 2023-07-16 |
I think that light also becomes heat again once it strikes a surface
Mostly, but not entirely. Most thing you struggle to approach anywhere near 100% efficient, heating is a bit easier in that you can get a lot closer, but you’ll still hit limits before reaching 100%. Saying inefficiencies are lost as heat is really a lazy simplification, inefficiencies are lost as anything |
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da_cow (she/her)
feddit.org
cows_are_underrated@feddit.orgJoined: 2024-06-22 |
Yep, every electric device is a toaster, some are just super inefficient at it.
Remember: Every device is a smoke machine if you use it wring enough. Also: Every electrical device is filled with smoke and the job of electricians is to stop the smoke from escaping, which would render the device useless. |
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bryndos
fedia.io
bryndos@fedia.io Joined: 2025-07-28 |
Don't you plug your 50 meter long cord in outside, run it though all the stuff you never want hot and then into the window to run your space heater? I mean if you are heating a room, why would the plug be in that same room?
Fine for electrical efficiency, but in terms of fuel efficiency I can get into an odd situation where I burn the same amount of (say methane) gas in my room, vs in a remote power station (where we might assume any heat losses are not useful). I could end up getting more useful heat out of the same fuel using a nominally less efficient gas heater vs an electric one. |
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krashmo
lemmy.world
krashmo@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-03 |
Search YouTube or revanced or whatever other free service for Technology connections, also the alt channel Technology Connextras.
I watched his video on renewable energy and it was awesome. That ending was very unexpected but he killed it. Thanks for the info |
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Melllvar
startrek.website
charonn0@startrek.websiteJoined: 2023-07-03 |
Remember: Every device is a smoke machine if you use it wring enough. Also: Every electrical device is filled with smoke and the job of electricians is to stop the smoke from escaping, which would render the device useless.
The correct technical term is magic smoke. |
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da_cow (she/her)
feddit.org
cows_are_underrated@feddit.orgJoined: 2024-06-22 |
The correct technical term is magic smoke.
Today I learned |
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M0oP0o
mander.xyz
M0oP0o@mander.xyzJoined: 2023-06-13 |
Fine for electrical efficiency, but in terms of fuel efficiency I can get into an odd situation where I burn the same amount of (say methane) gas in my room, vs in a remote power station (where we might assume any heat losses are not useful). I could end up getting more useful heat out of the same fuel using a nominally less efficient gas heater vs an electric one.
Ah yes, clearly you should burn coal/natural gas/fissionable material in your home. Very reasonable. |
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pruwyben
discuss.tchncs.de
pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.deJoined: 2023-06-12 |
Every electric device is a heater. Some just do other things too. |
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Agent641
lemmy.world
Agent641@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-12 |
Software engineers fixing a prod-down bug on Friday afternoons operate at 100% |
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Danitos
reddthat.com
Danitos@reddthat.com Joined: 2024-01-17 |
Some of it does. Most of it even, but not all of it
Why not? My underestanding is that 100% energy of a sound wave will ultimately be transformed to kinetic energy to particles in the room, be it a wall's, an ear drum's or air's. |
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Beangut
lemmy.world
Beangut@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-03-17 |
Software engineers fixing a prod-down bug on Friday afternoons operate at 100%
Thanks for giving me flashbacks I didn't know I had |
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bufalo1973
piefed.social
bufalo1973@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-09-01 |
I'm not an expert but, would it be that one kind of energy can't be 100% transformed to just one other kind of energy? That in any translation the result is always more than one kind of energy? |
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kkj
lemmy.dbzer0.com
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-03-08 |
Every electric device is a heater. Some just do other things too.
A brushless motor only converts ~5% of its input to heat. That's low enough that you can reasonably call it a side effect. Now, a computer, that's a heater that happens to produce math as a side effect. 100% of its input ends up as heat. |
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kkj
lemmy.dbzer0.com
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-03-08 |
A heat pump will drop to 100% efficiency in cold enough weather. |
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9point6
lemmy.world
9point6@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
Isn't there also visible, non heating light coming off them.?
What about a combination heater/lamp where the lamp part is just incandescence |
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EvenOdds
lemmy.zip
EvenOdds@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-29 |
boy are you one of today's lucky 10,000!
What do you mean lucky 10,000? |
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stormdelay
sh.itjust.works
stormdelay@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-23 |
What do you mean lucky 10,000?
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ChickenLadyLovesLife
lemmy.world
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-16 |
Isn't there also visible, non heating light coming off them.?
My oil heater makes gurgling noises so that acoustic energy is lost. It would also just heat up the room eventually, but I usually have a window open in winter so a tiny bit is lost that way. |
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lonefighter
sh.itjust.works
lonefighter@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-03-12 |
A brushless motor only converts ~5% of its input to heat. That's low enough that you can reasonably call it a side effect. Now, a computer, that's a heater that happens to produce math as a side effect. 100% of its input ends up as heat.
I love firing up my PC and gaming on cold winter nights. A well placed fan or two and I can spread it through my entire apartment and the heat won't kick on all night. Ends up saving me money, my heater costs way more than my PC to run. |
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zergtoshi
lemmy.world
zergtoshi@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-10-24 |
I think that light also becomes heat again once it strikes a surface
If all became heat upon striking a surface that would make lighting anything pretty impossible and most would be dark. |
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captcha
lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz
captcha@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz Joined: 2026-03-28 |
No, but you can use some forms of "light" to heat things If you want confusing specifics, light has negative absolute temperature
Yeah, that is a bit confusing, i never thought about light being an example of one of those systems. Edit: looks like this applies only to laser light because light has a temperature of an emitting body, and lazing body has negative temperature my short interpretation would be like thisA system with negative thermodynamic temperature is hotter than any system with a positive temperature. If a negative-temperature system and a positive-temperature system come in contact, heat will flow from the negative- to the positive-temperature system. This situation occurs because temperature is not really a measure of speed of particles, but rather a measure of entropy, and for ordinary objects entropy can increase infinitely, increasing temperature too. For systems with capped amount of states entropy reduces when energy is added, and that is negative thermodynamic temperature. So negative temperature is more energetic than positive, and because of that it heats up positive temperature object when in contact. Light kinda does that, but I am not sure I can come up with an explanation of how to measure its temperature and if it fits the definition |
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BradleyUffner
lemmy.world
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-11 |
A brushless motor only converts ~5% of its input to heat. That's low enough that you can reasonably call it a side effect. Now, a computer, that's a heater that happens to produce math as a side effect. 100% of its input ends up as heat.
It all becomes heat eventually in the end though. Sometimes it's just a multi step complex process outside the physical bounds of the heater. Wait a sec, is the universe just God's space heater? |
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0xDREADBEEF
lemmy.dbzer0.com
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2024-12-18 |
A brushless motor only converts ~5% of its input to heat. That's low enough that you can reasonably call it a side effect. Now, a computer, that's a heater that happens to produce math as a side effect. 100% of its input ends up as heat.
It might output the results of a computation once in a while though |
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Mwa
thelemmy.club
Mwa@thelemmy.clubJoined: 2024-06-27 |
its the Potis Meme! |
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TwilightKiddy
programming.dev
TwilightKiddy@programming.dev Joined: 2023-06-12 |
Strictly speaking that's not efficiency, but a coefficient of performance. And funny enough the work energy doesn't even have to be electricity. It's actually mechanical energy, that is required and you could even power a heat pump with a steam or diesel engine.
God I spent too much time arguing with people who say that heat pumps are >100% efficient... |
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potpotato
lemmy.world
potpotato@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-02-24 |
It all becomes heat eventually in the end though. Sometimes it's just a multi step complex process outside the physical bounds of the heater. Wait a sec, is the universe just God's space heater?
In god’s universe it is winter and that’s why the earth is heating up. It says so right in Ecclesiasties. Boom, toasted climate change nerds. |
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Etterra
discuss.online
Etterra@discuss.online Joined: 2024-12-10 |
Any resistance heater, but the most efficient ≠ the most cost effective. |
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Zerush
lemmy.ml
Zerush@lemmy.mlJoined: 2021-04-25 |
Also a question of optimizing its use
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VAK
lemmy.world
VAK@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-03-18 |
I'm not an expert but, would it be that one kind of energy can't be 100% transformed to just one other kind of energy? That in any translation the result is always more than one kind of energy?
No, it just means there is at least some going into heat in thermodynamic processes. Inevitable with atoms jostling in macroscopic systems. |
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Deconceptualist
leminal.space
Deconceptualist@leminal.space Joined: 2025-06-29 |
Remember: Every device is a smoke machine if you use it wring enough. Also: Every electrical device is filled with smoke and the job of electricians is to stop the smoke from escaping, which would render the device useless.
Hehe yes, we called it "magic smoke" in the early days of my engineering studies. Devices run on magic smoke so they stop working if the magic escapes. |
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