I haven't seen anyone prolific on Lemmy not get hatred. Most of it I haven't felt was justified.

Incidentally, I like your username.

I don't think it's fine the quota is enabled by default for everybody. You want to have the option, fine - but don't force it on people. Should be opt in.

I was looking on a couple of posts about it recently and there was an instance when (I think) admin of one instance updated it without realizing this feature is in there. That's problematic.

It will make it easier for a bot farm to outvote the humans.

Every frequent poster on lemmy has their personal fan (hate) club. Some justified, others not so much. It'll be a shame to lose you, but take a break if you need it. I've taken several, but I keep coming back :)

Also affects incoming federated votes, right? So it's affecting everybody else as well.

1. You seem to imply that the admins of Lemmy.zip are morons - I have not heard this, can you point me to something to read in this regard? The Threadiverse tends to rake instance admins over the coals fairly regularly, so for me to NOT have heard ill of them yet, I took it as a good sign!
2. Sure, I was just covering all the major bases there!:-)

Speaking of, the major thing about the Fediverse is that after being banned, you CAN at least still join some other instance, or even ultimately spin one up on your own! (impossible on the likes of Reddit, X(hitter), Meta, etc.)

Btw if you did want to spin up your own instance, I've heard it strongly recommend that PieFed is far easier to set up and maintain than Lemmy. The preferences of its developer team don't mean much when you have total control over what features you want to see deployed or not.:-P

I hope you find something you can enjoy. Don't forget to heavily touch grass irl too - not instead of but in addition to online social media - as it is much more rewarding in the end.

Lemmy's issues are pretty gigantic as well - to the point where many people outright refuse to fund its further development, thus impacting the future of the Threadiverse (one example is the inordinate amount of time spent performing moderation activities rather than actually working on adding features to the codebase).

Anyway, it's good to have multiple alternative options - having more software implementations of the ActivityPub Protocol is unquestionably a good thing imho.

The social engineering though is NOT a good thing imho - fortunately it's an option that can be disabled, though unfortunately it is opt-out rather than opt-in, and not transparently handled at all.

What do you think you will end up recommending?

Discuss.Online used to be one of the top go-tos, prior to the rise in prominence of PieFed. Very high stability and quite welcoming to anyone who wants friendly discourse.

PieFed.zip is still one option too, as they seem resistant to all the anti-social media bias making its way into the PieFed software as of late. Lemmy.zip was also always one of the top options as well. I'm a bit personally biased against the .zip domains being run by Google but for a Redditor this likely won't matter in the slightest, and the admin team seems at first glance to be very sensible.

I would not recommend PieFed.ca though, bc while it is a very fine instance, when the USA invades Canada or otherwise increases tensions that's going to be more problematic in the future.

I'm curious to hear your thoughts as well.:-)

Peeking at the codeberg, it doesn't seem very active? Is there discussions going on behind the scenes or something?

Lemmy is still a mess also:-P

Ironically for similar reasons.

Gonna miss ya a lot.

I don't get why the feature is necessary. Rimu should make it optional and not on by default.

It is optional in that each piefed instance can choose to turn it off, but its not per user.

this seems to be the original post: https://piefed.social/c/fediverse@piefed.social/p/2190040/who-decides-what-you-see-on-the-fediverse-a-look-at-voting-patterns

i really don't see the issue. are they worried about vote manipulation? if so, that is the most naive approach to it: you hurt the most active users, which hurts overall content, which the threadyverse does not have too much of anyway. all the while the problem does not get solved.

i am not sure whether it would work on piefed the exact same as on lemmy, but they rely on the same technology. so i guess yes. if i wanted to manipulate votes, i would spinn up a couple of instances, generate users and let them automatically vote. wanted to write a POC to raise any comment/post into the sky or condemm them to oblivion using this approach. that was a long time ago and never got around to do so - probably won't ever happen. but i don't think it would be too hard for anyone to use this type of manipulation, while it is relatively hard to defend against...

Oh actually maybe I was thinking of dbzer0 instance. I just remembered it was a popular one with an odd name. Maybe I got them mixed up. I try not to follow the fediverse drama shit.

They even have a link to !ukraine@sopuli.xyz, so I assume that means they’re not tankies or .ml supporters.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the Sopuli admins are tankies or ml supporters in the least. It's just that, by using Lemmy, they're in the unenviable position of either being 'free riders' by refusing to support the devs, thus endangering the long-term health of the ecosystem... or supporting the devs, who are ghoulish. It's a no-win scenario, and I don't blame them at all for the choice they made.

It's just why I avoid Lemmy instances altogether. There's no good answer.

If I had known they would implement such a drastic change so quickly, I would have argued more with rimu in that post where he shared the charts. It probably wouldn’t have changed anything though, and I was already burnt out from arguing with tankies and trolls elsewhere on the fediverse. I was probably too grumpy to form a constructive and cool-headed argument anyway.

Unfortunately, several people told him in the Matrix channel before the implementation that it was a non-issue that didn't need any sort of 'solution', and he went ahead anyway.

Rimu is very headstrong. Unfortunately, in this case.

I agree with this guy, you are a pillar

That's the thing - Rimu openly admits that he doesn't think that the power voters are bots. The issue isn't distinguishing us. It's just that Rimu doesn't like so many votes being cast by so few users. Shit man, if I encounter two active discussions in a day (admittedly not a daily occurrence on the sometimes-sleepy Fediverse), I'll be close to hitting the 240 limit simply by having an opinion on the majority of comments.

Shit, my vote quota is half-used-up today just from this comment section. I haven't even posted or browsed anything else.

As someone with a laundry list of physical and mental ailments, my 'touching grass' time is extremely limit, and general I reserve the monumental effort there for important issues - like keeping up with the social events of my actual friends, or participating in local politics in my increasingly-fucked-and-fascist country. "Touch grass, it's more fun than shitposting about history!" doesn't really apply for me.

Ironically that sentiment is precisely what has driven these developments.

Not wanting to bootlick for North fucking Korea, like you and the Lemmy devs do, is what drove the vote limit?

I won't miss the fascists on here, that's for sure.

Look, this level of hate's one-sided here so I won't engage this any further in your farewell thread.

I hope there's a silver lining to this and you'll find it restorative. The reply guy life beckons you.

Have you tried using a PieFed's community migration feature when moving from lemmy.world? Did the feature live to its promises?

(piefed.zip does not implement the voting quota)

Look, this level of hate’s one-sided here

lmao

Considering your constant participation in the usual circlejerks, like Hexbear's slop threads, about me, specifically, and your constant whingeing about MWOG being run by Nazis?

The usual blatant bullshit from you.

Have you tried using a PieFed’s community migration feature when moving from lemmy.world? Did the feature live to its promises?

No, I moved over manually in large part because it wasn't so much that I wanted to preserve the archive of history shitposts (though I did, a bit) but because it allowed me to generate high activity for a while with less effort. So I could post 3-4 times a day, using the 'best-of' from the old comms, instead of once or twice a day trawling the dark corners of the internet for good material, rebuilding the comm audience.

Yeah, apparently the limit was 2 inches

Yeah, I'd prefer if they were using piefed too, and that's the main reason I'm thinking of switching to a different instance. But now I need to wait and see what piefed instances aren't gonna implement this stupid quota.

Unfortunately, several people told him in the Matrix channel before the implementation that it was a non-issue that didn't need any sort of 'solution', and he went ahead anyway.

I guess that's the problem with open-source, decentralized software. You've got a bunch of random devs working on their own projects, and you can choose to use their software or find someone else who does it better. But when there's more or less only two options, and both are stubborn and make bad decisions, it doesn't leave an easy alternative.

Don't get me wrong, rimu isn't nearly as bad as the lemmy devs. But for providing the main alternative, it just sucks that he would do something so ill-advised.

If this is our alternative to corporate capture, then things are looking grim...

Several...what?

If this is our alternative to corporate capture, then things are looking grim…

As I always tell myself, and others, there are no good solutions in the world. Everything has trade-offs. I still believe in non-corporate social media, but the Iron Law of Institutions remains even in non-profits - decision-makers make decisions based on their interests (and values), not the interest of the institution.

Good thing about the Fediverse is that, even on an instance you aren’t a huge fan of, the rest of the Fediverse mostly still works. You can hang out on some other instance, and it doesn’t really matter.

This is the one thing that’s felt “different” than my other web adventures.

I’m very worried about the Fediverse’s health, but I think that aspect is good.

Yeah, as a user, it's great to have options. If I was just an ordinary user, this probably wouldn't even faze me. I'd hop over to Piefed.ca or something.

Unfortunately, I run several large comms who I managed to just about get to functioning without me...

... three times, so far, just before having to migrate and start the process all over again.

I don't know. Maybe I'll feel different in a few months. But the effort seems Sisyphean at this point. If I do it again, will I just be moving them again in a year's time? Fuck that. The gods can keep their punishment.

The fediverse should be an ideal solution to that, cause anyone with a server can make their own instance. But they have to choose a protocol to run it on, and that's where the bottleneck is.

If there was a larger org that developed one as a community effort, something like the Linux Foundation or FSF/GNU or any of the main distros, something like that, then I think that could solve the stability and governance problems without compromising on the FOSS ideals

I've considered moving from lemmy.world a few times (including to piefed), and in hindsight I'm glad I didn't.

PugJesus, you are completely awesome and your contribution to the success of the fediverse is immense. Thank you so, so much.

I can't believe anyone can be so stupid as to think that stopping the most engaged people being engaged in the community would be in any way sensible. And limiting voting? When you can only ever vote once on each post or comment? Piefed developers: "this popularity really needs capping".

I don’t know who would cheer

Hi 👋

Tbh makes little difference since I had him blocked, but if he uses the opportunity to finally touch grass, it's a win-win.

Did you know about the part where his illnesses make touching grass an ordeal he reduces to the minimum necessary (politics, keeping up with friends)? I get that you won't see his comments, but he said as much somewhere in this section.

Point is, he is touching grass and has plenty more opportunity. I don't see why people are hating on someone contributing so much content, most of it high quality, and bringing life to the platform. Why would less activity be a good thing?

Don't upvote this. Don't need to reply either. Just know that I treasure all our conversations. Wherever your road may lead, I'm glad it intersected with mine so often.

Did you know about the part where his illnesses make touching grass an ordeal he reduces to the minimum necessary (politics, keeping up with friends)?

What does that mean, exactly? There are lots of ways to touch grass that don't involve physical activity any more intense than typing. Playing a board games with your friends is touching grass, for example.

Even if it were true that he had no choice but to be terminally online, his personality is insufferable, he digs in hard to his positions and can't be reasoned with. I believe he's had drama with trans spaces (something about neopronouns, it was a long time ago) before because of that sort of thing.

I believe my last conversation with him involved him screaming at me and calling me a fascist because I said that I wouldn't believe claims without evidence. And then following me around calling me a fascist while still refusing to provide a shred of evidence for his claims. I suppose if you already agree with him on everything, you wouldn't see that side, but from my perspective he doesn't care about being persuasive or backing up his claims so much as playing to the crowd and shouting down disagreement.

Imo, comms like NCD are pure internet brain poison, "semi-ironic" glorification of the military with a veneer of liberalism. Likewise for the political compass and associated memes, it shapes the way people think about politics, massively oversimplifying everything.

Wait, doesn't SJW run Lemmy? I'll second the SJW rec nevertheless, though. I pretty constantly watch instance drama from afar on sh.itjust.works and feel very grateful that the instance I chose as a newbie has been blessedly free of that. Every instance that's got more than like ten people has at least one dumbass, but it doesn't feel like there's some overwhelming current of any flavor of dumbass on SJW, and I don't even remember who the instance admins is, let alone feel like anything is beholden to their politics. Shit just works. It's a beautiful thing.

Wait. Mods can see when you block their community? I block communities liberally because I am often on /all and just am not interested, and I had no idea literally anyone but me would know or care.

Absolutely. My stance is not that Lemmy is not without serious flaw, just that Piefed does not seem to be the solution, to me at least.

Thank you for all the dank memes! I particularly loved your historical artifacts and illustration posts. You are appreciated, and will be missed.

Spectacular how it went from everyone's favorite to an absolute mess.

Idk, unsurprising when they only positive people had was it was different devs. Even the speed of features is no longer holding water considering how poorly it's coded.

Thank you for your hard work over the years! Gonna miss you!

What does that mean, exactly? There are lots of ways to touch grass that don't involve physical activity any more intense than typing. Playing a board games with your friends is touching grass, for example.

Per https://feddit.uk/comment/26233735

"As someone with a laundry list of physical and mental ailments, my ‘touching grass’ time is extremely limit, and general I reserve the monumental effort there for important issues - like keeping up with the social events of my actual friends, or participating in local politics in my increasingly-fucked-and-fascist country. “Touch grass, it’s more fun than shitposting about history!” doesn’t really apply for me."

As for the rest of your comment, I'll be explicit in saying that I won't engage with it. I have read the linked comments, their context, other comments linked in that context and frankly, I don't think that will be a fruitful conversation for either of us. I hope you can respect that choice not to have it.

touching grass

All I'm saying is that, regardless of the reasons, too much internet can create brainworms, bad politics, and toxicity. I've yet to hear of any physical or mental ailment that makes it impossible to log off.

As for the rest of your comment, I’ll be explicit in saying that I won’t engage with it. I have read the linked comments, their context, other comments linked in that context and frankly, I don’t think that will be a fruitful conversation for either of us. I hope you can respect that choice not to have it.

Sure. You asked, I answered. I mostly linked them because I don't believe in saying anything negative about a person without providing evidence.

How does this stop them? They can easily create alt accounts and vote just as much as before.

Have you engaged with a mod/admin ever? They're usually fucking idiots.

Would be weird if an ml user liked him TBH

lemmy.world is ugly and basic... but so am I. :/

I'm really sorry to hear this.
If you ever deicde to try again in the future, please give Piefed.zip a shot.
While I don't use it (I'm on the sister Lemmy instance, Lemmy.zip), I've got nothing but praises for the Admins.
To this day I haven't seen a single thing to even so much make me think about migrating.

I don't know who would cheer