the points you've shared are repeated ad nauseam by an overwhelming majority that have clearly reasoned them out of misinformation, triggering automatic disregard. (ie akin to the arguments like human nature prevents socialism).

there's now doubt that it's willful ignorance given that you try to persist and explain them, but then again so too do the disingenuous.

same, doesn't work when I paste in the link

https://lemmy.ml/post/43393835

justify why it’s ok to be triggered by ‘fuck nazis’.

nobody here is arguing this.
because you can't interpret the words doesn't mean they actually mean this.

"fuck nazis" -> good

"if i call your group nazis, and you get offended, you're a nazi." -> bad

"don't call people you disagree with nazis" is a response to the second example. conflating it with the first is the problem.

and i talk about it because it is important for antifascists to comprehend what framing is when it used against them.
and maybe shit wouldn't be half as bad if americans were socialized into comprehending and using more big words, so they can tell the difference between jordan peterson bullshit and actual attempts to communicate more complicated topics.

hard to talk about the issues if people don't socialize the words and concepts around them.

“fuck nazis” -> good

“if i call your group nazis, and you get offended, you’re a nazi.” -> bad

“don’t call people you disagree with nazis” is a response to the second example. conflating it with the first is the problem.

words matter, and calling out bad framing should not set off tribal dogpiling.

Nobody is going to say “don’t call people you disagree with Nazis” unless you’re calling people you disagree with Nazis.

No the sentiment is anybody who disagrees with calling people nazis is a nazi. We all know this term gets thrown around very loosely.

Now you’re changing the post to infer “quite probably”. Either way, just because somebody disagrees with a statement doesn’t make them whatever you say they are. This is absolutist propaganda.

Thank you! Case in point. Disagree with somebody and label them some leftist dog whistle. In this case, I am now a fascist.

But have you considered that the German government did the Holocaust and therefore they get to support another one?

I hope all Nazis meet with painful and humiliating ends that can, in no legal sense, be traced back to myself.

the only form of adventurism that i can support. lol

it works for some of the other instances; either it's broken or selectively ignoring.

I have no dog in this fight, but you've literally been arguing for three hours that you definitely didn't mean to get upset at nazis being called out, after clearly getting upset about nazis being called out.

Maybe you should put the phone down and do some self reflection rather than parroting right wing talking points and having a meltdown over something that should be easy to agree with (fuck nazis).

The fact that you sling leftist around like an insult despite it being the most common political identifier in the world makes me think you'll likely just spew angry word vomit at me to make yourself feel justified that I'm an evil socialist, despite not knowing anything about me 🤷

Haha, you still don't get it.

So let me explain it to you, real slow and simple.

The meme instructs you to post 'fuck nazis' and wait for reactions. There is no engaging besides that one statement. No other context. No discussion. Just this two words.

There is absolutely no reason to react to 'fuck nazis' with some deep philosophical discussion on how it might be problematic to call people nazis.

This might sound wild to you, so believe it or not, but next to nobody on the planet is being called a nazi. That's not an experience the average person makes.

So it's very telling when you actually are triggered. You are forcing a discussion on us nobody asked for.

It's so painfully obvious.

Nah, fuck nazis. If someone does nazi shit, they are nazis.

But the second part didn't happen. You went straight from 1 to 3. You are jumping to defend nazis. Fuck nazis.

Its because we block lemvotes on this server, because people don't like their votes being exposed. Every server should do this.

oh, okay. It's nice that it's possible to do this.

Every server should do this.

I would say that's for them to decide

as i said,

the meme does NOT say to call out people offended by "fuck nazis"

there would be no issue if it said that. we all agree with that.

it says to call out people who are offended by being called nazis,

and people who call out the incorrect framing are conflated with arguing a non-existent point, because comprehending framing is too much work i guess

I upvoted you. Just to save you looking it up. 😜

"you are jumping to defend nazis."

where in your addled imagination did i say that?

because i've said in several different ways
"fuck nazis, and fuck the social mechanisms empowering nazis."

but "this framing is bad and has actively helped the nazis." becomes "i love nazis" to people who can't fucking read.

which is why they love the uneducated.

and why the progressive movements actively fighting this shit for decades have been socially dogpiled into being "cringe," and chastised by insulting people with big words, because only nazis talk about framing and use big words. i often talk about jordon peterson types poisoning this particular well with their intentional bullshit.

so, was it my support for atheist and feminist thinkers? was it my hate for the heritage foundation?
what part of that is defending nazis exactly?

Lol. No it doesn't.

Here is what it literally says:

1. Post 'fuck nazis'.
2. Watch for the 'don't call people you disagree with nazis!' comments.
3. You found the nazis.

Nowhere does it tell you to call out people. The second point tells you to watch for specific kind of comments. That's 100% passive.

You know, exactly those kind of comments you provided.

Didn't realize they used leftist as an insult, it's hilarious

Null set. No Nazi can actually be punk.

Paradox of tolerance type shi

The ones who come out of the woodwork when you agree with the Nuremburg Trial execution verdicts will write novels.

"i'm going to ignore all of your points and simplify things again in a way that's convenient for me."
literally what MAGA cultists do.

"don't call people you disagree with nazis!"
is unfortunately also what people say when people call non-nazis 'nazis,'
such as progressive groups like feminists or atheists.

now suddenly both are nazis? and they have to fight each-other instead of the heritage foundation?

why can't a single person here actually engage with this part of the conversation instead of the made up one they want to simplify to?

And yet multiple people in this very thread are doing exactly that at the thought of someone saying fuck nazis

That honestly explains so much

I admit I should have expected it from them but still hoped wouldn't

Can you please type out the post word for word then explain exactly which line is telling people to call anyone Nazis.

Lol, you're funny. Nobody is calling anybody a nazi here. Only people outing themselves.

Let me spell it out for you again: being called a nazi is not some common experience people make. In general, people don't feel like this is some huge problem that needs a broad discussion.

And of course I'm sure as fuck not engaging in your straw man discussions, haha. 'Uhhh, don't call people something they're not, uhhh'. We're not kindergarten children.

It's funny to see you desperately trying to justify why the fuck you are so triggered by this to such an extent.

no

votes being public is good and helps find bad actors

Do you agree, that actual, genuine Nazis exist in the real world today? That they are more than ghosts from the past? Yes? Well, it's those actual, real existing, Nazis that this post is about. Who else but other Nazis would defend them?

If you don't have a problem with "fuck nazis", then we're good. If you see "fuck nazis" and want to defend them, fuck off. If you're good with "fuck nazis" then we're good.

lol 12 comments on hexbear

Except for the last 10 years of nazis using it to hide behind the guise of SiMpLy DiSaGrEeInG, of course.

Fuck off, dweeb. Go get bullied for being an unlovable subhuman

First off, nobody said anything about calling people you disagree with Nazis besides you. Source: the meme OP posted. You can even read it yourself.

Secondly, if someone disagrees with saying Nazis are bad, then they are in agreement with Nazi ideals which is the only real requirement to be a modern Nazi, therefore, disagreeing with that specific statement literally means you are a Nazi

Thirdly, fuck Nazis

A fellow Heritage Foundation enjoyer, I see!

A rare treat! Let me introduce you to THE COUNCIL OF FOREIGN RELATIONS, which is the parent of the HF.

https://www.cfr.org/

Please note the membership of both organizations are often the same people. This is public information available at both orgs.

https://www.heritage.org/

The CFR is the parent organization, sponsoring many academic studies that support their agenda.

The Heritage Foundation is "CFR for dummies". You'll note no academic studies there, it's more directly opinion pieces, often with a Christian spin. This has been very effective in the USA for obvious reasons.

If you're adventurous, please note the sponsors of the CFR and so on... it's a rabbit hole.

Be careful with the truth in mixed company online, as you can be banned for "conspiracies", even if it is public information that can easily be verified through the actual organizations themselves.

They don't even bother to hide it... why bother? The public is easily manipulated (as your story re atheists vs. Heritage affirms)

p.s. oh dear, the poster I responded to has been banned. things aren't looking good for Mulligrubs

LOL every time.

I doubt they've asked their users if they want this spying tool to hoover up their votes.

Alright, let me ask you to clear this up for me please. I'm not a developer so I might need some simplification. This Lemvotes thing asks a Lemmy server to give up the users having voted on a particular post. For this to work I would assume the server in question must comply with this request, or store this information in a way that's accessible in the first place ?

They're here and they're there and they're everywhere
We're taught that after the war the Nazis vanished without a trace
But battalions of fascists still dream of a master race
The history books they tell of their defeat in forty-five
But they all come out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died
They say the prisoner of Spandau was a symbol of defeat
Whilst Hess remained imprisoned and the fascists they were beat
So the promise of an aryan world would never materialise
So why did they all come out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died
They're here and they're there and they're everywhere
The world is riddled with maggots--the maggots are getting fat
They're making a tasty meal of all the bosses and bureacrats
They're taking over the board rooms and they're fat and full of pride
And they all came out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died
So if you meet with these historians I'll tell you what to say
Tell them that the Nazis never really went away
They're out there burning houses down and peddling racist lies
And we'll never rest again until every Nazi dies\

Chumbawamba rocks

That's what I'm trying to do here!

You can read the full context of this here.

Votes are transparently federated, but only shown to admins via a few special endpoints, in order to fight one of the biggest spam vectors currently on the fediverse, which is federated downvote spammers. Lemvotes is a single user server / spying tool to circumvent that reasonable expectation of user privacy.

There was only one!?