See?!

I tried arch for th first time a few weeks ago and honestly it wasn't that bad. A little intimidating for sure but I got an os running first try in a few hours.

This idiot (Gabriel) probably thinks exclusively in the real world paper line analog.

Typical of Internet discourse to just immediately brand someone you disagree with an idiot... That "idiot" is one of the designers of common lisp, among other things. You're allowed to disagree with a smart person too you know

Used to? Maybe you need to upgrade your keyboard!

You've misunderstood something.
systemd-resolved is one of the services that uses systemd's service management system
You're saying "don't use this service management system to manage your services"

OK. Designers of programming languages can be idiots.

Lisp is a bad language IMO. Way too mathy. Nobody programs like that anymore for a reason.

After the 1000th time, it stops being a joke. Say something enough times, and it becomes your truth.

I like systemd because my distro came with it and my computer boots.

Nah it's fine. Basically grub can see the SSD where the kernel lies and boot the kernel, then the kernel can't see the drive its on anymore

They don't really target desktop systems.

Because it's a good project, extremely well documented, which tries to make administering linux system easy and predictable.

You are allowed to build minimal systemd, which didn't change that much in many years, no scope creep, consistent, simple.

git downvoted for mysterious reasons

Lemmy is just highly opinionated, poor social skills, and often closed minded.

I hear they will work on a display server next called waylanD or something /s

I once saw a guy standing on the edge of a bridge, about to jump. I ran over and said, "Stop! Don't do it!"

He said, "Why shouldn't I? Nobody cares about me."

I said, "Well, do you run Linux?"

He said, "Yes."

I said, "Me too! Desktop or server?"

He said, "Server."

I said, "Me too! Debian-based or RPM-based?"

He said, "Debian-based."

I said, "Me too! Debian stable or Ubuntu LTS?"

He said, "Debian stable."

I said, "Me too! systemd or an alternative init?"

He said, "Alternative init."

I said, "Me too! runit, OpenRC, or s6?"

He said, "s6."

I said, "Me too! s6 with s6-rc as the service manager, or s6 with 66?"

He said, "s6-rc."

I said, "Me too! s6-rc with the full supervision tree defined declaratively, or with hand-rolled run scripts?"

He said, "Hand-rolled run scripts."

I said, "Die, Poettering apologist!" And I pushed him off.

I keep seeing these words, “scope creep”, in this thread, and I don’t think most people understand what they mean.

Which could apply to GNOME or KDE given they do more than just desktop environments.

Noone will ever take my full-size keyboard from me and I have no issues getting laid, I just don't want to most of the time.

Gentoo lured me into OpenRC a long time ago and it's just basically my go to now. It's just so easy and "feels" less bloated to me.

Just as complicit as for name verification. 🤷‍♀️

I still don't understand what it is and I read it. Oh, well. *continues with Mint*

No. A database doesn't have these specific fields by default.

I mean... zless and zgrep have been a thing since forever ago. And some distros ship with lessopen(?) preinstalled, so it's seemless.

There are only so many times I'm willing to put up with lost logfile due to a crash. Logrotate wouldn't do this.

Some quick research says that it is indeed a re-implementation. The first line of the wikipedia, says:

BusyBox is an implementation of many Unix commands in a single executable file.

You can download the source code yourself to verify. And if you've actually used Alpine Linux before you would have also noticed that the commands provided by busybox have only a subset of the options provided by their GNU coreutils counterparts.

Please do your research before so confidently correcting other people.

Good to know, I honestly have never tried to use Debian (not counting Ubuntu occasionally for work)

Systemd and Wayland have become ragebait for some people.

resolved is entirely optional and disabled by default, I use it on case of non-mobile devices but leave it on laptops etc.

DNS resolution isn't something exotic, it makes sense for systemd to implement it in a simple optional daemon

You're not supposed to modify shipped unit files, that's why systemd supports drop in snippets

But then you aren't just using a text editor anymore. If you're willing to use programs like zless and zgrep, then you can just as easily use journalctl. And I've never lost a logfile before, over many years, so not to discredit your experience but at least in my experience journald has been an upgrade

It's like the Amish but with operating systems. Technology has advanced this far but must advance no further.

This field appeared in LDAP for different reasons, than age control.

The only thing I didn't like about systemd was the unfamiliarity of the commands. Typing systemctl and a verb and a service and some more arguments feels a bit clunky.

But otherwise it all seems to make sense to me - lots of little services running with least privilege, very simple description of services in unitary files, secure binary logging with proper filtering, proper utilisation of cgroups to reliably kill processes and enforce limits, parallel startup/shutdown etc.

Most of the objections I've see to it online seem miss the point and ignore answers which would solve or refute their objections.

Damn, that's some massive copium on that site.

systemd devs successfully rage baited you and a bunch of others

Should that be their goal?

It is a discussion about the UNIX philosophy and architecture and it is not about functionality. That’s why it seems to be a bit short-sighted. However, I do understand both sides, but I would never go this far and create a website to promote my views and opinions.
It is as if you had a discussion between team emacs and team vim.

Even though that the reliability of OpenRC is 0.00000001% higher, they keep forgetting about operational costs. And since my day only has 24h, I’d rather be able to copy&paste an installation script from the Docker website (which includes systemd commands), instead of manually writing it and losing 30min of that day.

But you know, to each their own. I love OpenRC, I love systemd.

Programming language is a tool. Do you think there're no more tasks left where "mathy" programming language would be preferable?

What are the alternatives to systemd? Why people are hating it (besides the AI slop and age verification stub in it)? Why is it not written in the D programming language?

It isn't. I'm pretty sure the dev working on that userdb field didn't plan on getting death threats on github and said as much afterwards.

Old man yells in SysVInit

And if it's not expected, it also eventually will be part of systemd.

I yell in rcctl

Why would I ever use a text editor? I think our approaches to viewing logs are fundamentally different.

No, I mean I also had a keyboard like that back when I used to get laid.. 🤔

Neither does systemd. They are optional.

Fields are optional, but developers of systemd consciously implemented those fields.

And in a DB that's not the case.

That only has impact on the security risk surface exposed for your own install and for troubleshooting on your own machine. The maintainers and other coders on the project still have far more space, complexity, and features to cover.

It's not a death knell by any means, but still a valid cause for concern.

Sure, and that's just as valid points against them as well. For my part at least, none of this is meant as some sort of death knell, or direct damning evidence that some software is some sort of terrible piece of garbage.

I just refuse to believe that someone would literally be entirely incapable of comprehending any of the reasons people dislike systems to only be capable of engaging with the criticisms in bad faith.

But that's not what either of the guys complained about