Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Whether they are grounded in reality is another matter. Every case of "Zionist censorship" listed in the dbzer0 post boils down to one of their members calling to kill the other side or calling someone Zionist because they don't support killing the other side.

Genocide is when you kill a bunch of people, apparently.

Fuck anarchists, tankies, Zionists, regressives and bigots in general.

Y'all just different shades of the same crazy.

Yes, we should be moderating hate speech and opposing genocide. The hate speech and genocide direct at the Palestinian people by the Israeli Settler Colony.

Totally Agree

Totally Agree

And all of that is 100% possible without having any conflicts with the existing rules. If you cant voice your opinion without direct hate speech that sounds pretty much like a you problem.

What genocides did Lenin commit? How was he a "dictator?" Do you have any idea what you're talking about, or are you just saying things like this to avoid needing to have an actual point?

Yes. Further, genocide isn't simply killing people, war isn't necessarily genocide even if it results in millions of deaths.

I'm just looking at what is here. Not the drama on a instance I barely notice.

😂

Na, I don't have a lot of spoons for this anymore. I don't want to read that, because I'm a little impulsive sometimes and have a hard time not to engage, and I need the energy for people I may actually convince. Not just in political questions, just generally. There are more important things than infighting on the internet.

Everyone is crazy, except your team, right?

Hamas does not fulfill my standards

Wow, we have a contender for most The Most Western Sentence of all time

So you are commenting on a post about a post you didn't even read?

Ain't much difference between nazis and the people who stopped the nazis, apparently. /s

a predictable lemmy.ml user retort.

Yeah because I'm centrist and according to lemmy nutbags I'm already genocidal supremacist by proxy, because to them any ideology outside of marxism-leninism is inherently genocidal or something.

Nor am I naive or arrogant enough to believe I am the singular person who should determine what 'genocidal' means. There are UN organizations for that.

I don't see how highlighting Khurbn denial is dodging criticism.

Why is a Nazi calling to kill non-whites radically worse than a communist calling for the death of non-communists?

so which fediverse platform dev isn't evil?

Stop deflecting. Would you allow supermasist ideologies like nazism? If no why do you oppose censoring zionism the supermasist ideology behind israel colonization of Palestine

Don't be butthurt but I really don't care about the drama. Drama gets blocked here and I've seen plenty dodgy stuff from both instances. No saints on either side.

They even gave them a finger wag! Israel is really brave to stand strong against such antisemitism! /s

The people are calling for Palestinian self-defense against the apartheid state intent on their genocide. The two aren't comparable forms of violence.

Relevant username? :)

Well, I wouldn't mind if then you didn't criticize my take on a situation you didn't even try to comprehend.

Which anti-zionists are saying what hate speech? The hate speech is principly coming from zionists who call Palestinians terrorists and call for their genocide.

Leftist vs liberal infighting has been going on since the late 1700s.

Of course what you really have to ask yourself is, if they've been infighting since basically the beginning and if their ideals are diametrically opposed then is it even in fighting?

There is a difference between calling for self-defense, calling for killings and supporting Hamas killing civilians.

Nothing wrong with my comprehension.

Idk where you got that those sites don't defend Jews. I feel very supported in those places, and the moderation on Hexbear at least takes antisemitism seriously(I can't say for the other two because I'm on there less often, but I'm yet to hear anything that would make me doubt that they defend their Jewish users as well)

100%

Israel wants to be a Jewish ethnostate, but only the Jews they deem to be the "Good" ones

Well I don't think Nazism is one single thing dude. Not all Nazis are the same and think the same things. Every ideology has internal debates and various camps. It all depends on the specifics, which is why I would rather deal with it user by user and judge users for their actions, not their ideologies/beliefs. I also understand the concept of context. Is a community that is making fun of Nazis by using their slogans, promoting Nazism? A lot of people certainly could not draw the distinction. What about a community that wants to talk about Nazism in a historical context? Is that promoting genocide?

You call it 'deflection' I called it being reasonable and not making massive generalizations. Nazism and Zionism are not One Big Thing That is Evil. Lots of people, yourself include, probably have beliefs that are in agreement with several aspects of them, and disagree with others. My beef isn't with an ideology, it's with calls to violence, no matter what ideology they are coming from. And lots and lots of people from various ideologies call for violence and perpetuate hate and rage. I see a buttload of it coming from lemmy leftists of various self-identified flavors. If I am going to assume Nazis are evil and bad them for their violent ideology, then I've got to basically ban communists/socialists/anarchists too, because by your logic both are equivalently evil.

But the main disagreement we have here is that you think ideologies are the problem. I don't. I think people are the problem. If a particular insane of 'Nazis' has self identified and organized itself around violence and hate, sure I'd ban them. But there are tons of contexts in which discussion of Nazis and their beliefs would be totally permissible and admirable. I myself have done various history projects on the KKK and supremacy and papers on the ideology in my academic career. Am I therefore promoting or believing in Nazi ideology?

In a professional context, like say legit hate groups being investigated by FBI or the press, what is targeted is the actions of the group and the individuals therein. That's what I'm interested in policing, not thought or discussion.

Incorrect and also hasbara. This is an ahistorical orientalist fabrication that is designed to obscure the very clear and obvious colonial nature of “Israel”.

Wait... Are you saying that Israelis became the "nomad nation" and moved from country to country just for shits and giggles? That they left Israel because they wanted to, and not because the Persians persecuted them?

Your entire view of the so-called “conflict” is based on zionist lies

Could you elaborate? Does that mean that Israelis shoot rockets at themselves?

Oh, yeah, that's so much better. "We will keep fighting until we eliminate a country" is such a peaceful and lovable sentiment!

So critical you'll be instantly banned for saying anything critical of Russian imperialism.

We all get why Germany has strong laws against antisemitism, given its history. That doesn't mean German support towards Israel need to be unconditional, which is what has happened, in effect. The left, the right and the center in Germany all seem to agree on one thing... unconditional support for Israel.

"German history and our responsibility arising from the Holocaust make it our duty to stand up for the existence and security of the State of Israel." -- Olaf Scholz, October 2024.

You are basically taking the same line as Scholz, despite the fact Israel has proven itself to be a fascist ethnostate that seems intent on genociding all its neighbours. Anyone who is still committed to justifying or both-sidesing the Israeli genocide of Palestinians needs a smack in the head imo.

I do accept the fact you have acknowledged the genocide. But then why are you so hung up about folk making equivalences between fascist genocidal Israelis and fascist genocidal Nazis? It's about the most obvious comparison one could make. Arguing that it's a false equivalence is simply another way to excuse the atrocities committed by Israel. Statements like "Israel has done a few bad things, but they are nowhere near as bad as the Nazis, so you mustn't make a direct comparison" are nothing more than genocide apologia. Just because Israel has done a "smaller" genocide (so far) doesn't mean shit to me. Zionist ideology is just as reprehensible as Nazi ideology.

More than 75,000 Palestinians were killed in the first 15 months of Israel's military assault in Gaza, a figure far higher than the 49,000 deaths local health officials announced at the time, says a new study by The Lancet Global Health medical journal.
The peer-reviewed study, published on Wednesday, found that women, children and the elderly comprised some 56.2% of violent deaths in Gaza during that period, a composition that it said roughly aligned with reporting by Gaza's health ministry. [...]

"The combined evidence suggests that, as of Jan 5, 2025, 3–4% of the population of the Gaza Strip had been killed violently and there have been a substantial number of non-violent deaths caused indirectly by the conflict," the authors wrote. Source

Israel declaration of independence mention Herzl as the spiritual father of the state. Herzl advocated for ethnic cleansing

Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895

The property owners will come over to our side. According to my conception, the majority of the local population will have to be transferred elsewhere.

We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country. -
Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895

Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly - Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895

After the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will **abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine
**
partition might be only a temporary arrangement for the next twenty to twenty-five years - Chaim Weizmann 1st President of Israel

You can't claim to be anti genocide and settler colonialism if you don't think Zionism is a problem

The mods of feddit support the ideology they do not frame it in historical lenses but in a way to justify the nekba , neksa and the continuation of the settler colonialism project

Why do you tankies always lie

Why do I keep running into people calling others “tankies” who are very explicitly anti-“tankie?”

Because Palestinians have the legal right under UN law to struggle against their occupiers by any means necessary, including armed struggle, while Israel, as an occupier, has no right to “self defense.”

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_as_settler_colonialism
• Philosophy prof. Hans-Georg Moeller: 📺 Guilt Pride: A German Vanity Project Conquering the World

Copy pasting this shit doesn't make you look smarter

sh.itjust.works

or go to piefed

100% agree and that's not what Hamas is trying to do or I miss the part where they protect the palestinians in their actions

That's guilt by association. It's a fallacy. Lots of national leaders and founders were racists and horrible people in various factors. That doesn't mean the states necessarily were or are or forever will be.

I don't claim to be anything. You are making all the claims here about who is what. Where I stand agonizing about genocide and dividing everyone up into pro and anti is simply stupid. My understanding is that the current Israeli government and its hardliner supporters are are engaged in a unnecessary escalated conflict, largely motivated by their own beliefs. However, that has not always been the case and various parties in the government do not agree. The conflict in Gaza is part of a much larger history that goes back centuries and isn't 'Zionism'.

But I'm interested in history and reality, not moralizing catchphrases and moral grandstanding over issues for which my views have zero political relevance or impact. I'm not a citizen of the state of Israel.

I didn’t notice c/europe was zionists. I just typed israel, I see highly (legitimately) upvoted posts against it.

I’m sure you can find some unsavory stuff, but I haven’t stumbled upon it once.

On the other hand I’ve been confronted to authoritarian bootlickers too many times from ml. If you don’t defederate from them too then you’re not being consistent.

"Slaughtering civilians and shielding behind the people victim of genocide is what I call resistance against genocide". Most enlightened extremist

https://feddit.org/comment/11617986

You mean the colony established over the legitimate Palestinian State? This is like saying it's bad to fight for the abolition of the Reichskommissariats.