No explicitly not. I've condemned France and the United States in plenty of places elsewhere in this thread for their behavior related to this. My critique of Dessalines is not defense of them. Or their empires.

What about kbin/mbin? I haven't heard anything terrible about them at least.

No. The AGPL requires declaring alterations to the code. You cannot alter the license. And you must attribute the original author.

Rimu did not declare alterations and attempted to remove attribution.

I don't really think you have done what you say, and if you have in this thread it has been from a defensive and reactive standpoint that concedes context and nuance rather than willingly invoking them.

start reading argument about Lemmy and Piefed

somehow end up reading about Haitian racist genocide.

Internet be hittin today, bruh

And Hitler was a vegetarian and loved dogs.

Maybe don't spout comments when you don't know what you're talking about and can't be bothered to find out, then.

why don’t they act like adults and reach out?

because Rimu blocked us for making the fork in the first place. we tried to reach out when we offered him patches for the zero-days that .ML user dropped, and he refused them before copy/pasting them to Piefed and purging the Piefed Matrix channel of anyone who called him out for being a manbaby. even MrKaplan said he was out of line when he admitted that he did it that way specifically so that Mia did not get credit for the code SHE wrote. these were bugs that had existed in Piefed, PyLova devs fixed them, and we offered them as a peace offering to Rimu since he was mad we forked his software.

well, he burnt that bridge. now, if anyone wants to see further Piefed security vulnerabilities, they can just watch the PyLova changelog. we're not going to go out of our way to help him fix his shit anymore, and we're not going to keep security patches on the down low just to protect him and his shoddy fucking code.

Your belief means nothing. Did the Haitian massacre occur or did it not? If it did that is a genocide. And that is wrong regardless of who. That's like saying I couldn't criticize George Washington as being a human trafficker and slave owner. Simply because he freed the Americas from England.

This isn't whataboutism. Someone asked why people still use Piefed, and for a fair number of people, that is the reason. I personally only noticed the Piefed controversies bubbling up recently. The problems with the Lemmy devs have been known for years (at least to me). And some people may see what Piefed devs do as the lesser evil, whether you agree with it or not.

Of course he did. This is total PTB!

Which sucks because I loved what Rimu was doing in the beginning by creating piefed. Then he banned me for no reason. Ok, dick move, but ok. I still supported him and his vision. More fediverse stuff, the better I thought.

But then there was the whole karma rating and all that other stuff. Then seeing how he would reply to people who brought stuff up.

Now this. Fuck that guy. He's proving himself to be an ass. Which sucks, because I really wanted to like him.

Total PTB!

Don’t Forget anarchist.nexus

Totally agree with you. Which sucks because I really wanted to like the project. But the more stuff that comes out about it and the creator just makes me shake my head.

It's definitely whataboutism.

I asked why people use piefed despite the drama, Eldritch's argument was that lemmy devs are bad, and hey, aren't all developers kinda bad?

That's like if I asked why some people like shit on their chest and they said "some of us don't like getting pissed on."

Don’t worry his Sycophants will make the excuses.

scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds

I love this saying, but I always forget to use it!

MrKaplan does seem like the most level headed person in this from the little bit that I've read, but that doesn't make him the AGPL police.

On the topic of "should the comment have been deleted", I still see it as BPR. The overall tone wasn't in good faith, combined with previous beefs. You can't be surprised that the comment was deleted.

You seem pretty sure of that, but I don't see any of that in the actual AGPL license.

Your assessment of the Piefed's Devs' actions being worse than those by the Lemmy devs is a subjective one. That's precisely the point: one could argue that what Lemmy devs do is worse than what Piefed's devs do. And to be fair, not everyone knows about every alternative (although I will use the moment to shoutout Mbin, which, as far as I know, hasn't had any such issues - at least not yet).

When one of the lead devs of the Lemmy backend names their online presence after the enactor/leader of said alleged genocide, it's bound to come up at some point.

Your assessment of the Piefed’s Devs’ actions being worse than those by the Lemmy devs is a subjective one.

I never assessed such a thing.

Section 5

Same here. I even tried it, finding the whole project tainted with Rimus outspoken ideals. While, on lemmy, all the bullshit is in the open and corralled into the devs pet instance.

Drama again? 😐

It's a common practice and one of the few "moral rights" recognized in the Berne Convention:

Article 6bis
Moral Rights:
1. To claim authorship; to object to certain modifications and other derogatory actions;
2. After the author's death; 3. Means of redress

(1) Independently of the author's economic rights, and even after the transfer of the said rights, the author shall have the right to claim authorship of the work [...]

Edit to add: Death to Copyright Laws!

fact remains that not only did he target what had become a minority group on the islands

The American Civil War was actually the oppression of a South American minority group (white European slave owners)

And I thought wiki holes were fun. Like I've seen that name before on here. I had no clue about the history of it. Lemmy drama is so interesting and tangentially informative.

the white polish etc minority

Interesting you'd mention the one white group that was completely spared due to allying with the revolutionaries.

Says the guy with the pathological needs to comment on things he doesn't know about

This has already been debated on the internet and I'm not an expert so I'm giving up. I guess it boils down to what is a "copyright", and if the source in this case (PyLova) has a copright notice that needs to be copied over. That's beyond my expertise.

Edit:

Okay.

So why do you use Lemmy despite the drama?

Dessalines, Rimu, Admiral Patrick... some people just cannot be trusted with the barest mote of power, and apparently federated software calls to them.

The Haitian massacre did occur, but you're making claims that white allies were killed. You specifically cited the Poles in Haiti who were among the population of whites granted amnesty and citizenship for their role in rejecting the French.

You were categorically wrong and are trying to breeze past it.

Preference. I tried piefed and didn't like it. I like lemmy. Lemmy's devs are more objective when it comes to their platform than Rimu is. The way the devs run their home instance doesn't bother me too much. There is no equivalent to .today, in terms of no blocked instances and a viewable modlog, on piefed.

Oh, I didn't realize you meant the attribution. Section 5 is about declaring changes. Attribution comes from including the original license, which should have a line like "Copyright (C) <year> <name of author>", per the AGPL text.

It doesn't look like PyLova changed this when forking, because the top of the license file attributes the project to the FSF, and the bottom of the file attributes it to rimu. So both projects screwed this part up, because piefed should contain a line like "portions of this software copyright 2026 rimu atkinson", and after picking the changes from PyLova, piefed should have "portions of this software copyright 2026" whoever is the author of the portions used.

Did Sherman hunt down their families, after the slaves were freed?

When you start bayonetting all children of the wrong ethnicity, because shooting them might be too noisy and let others escape, it doesn't really matter what justifications started the conflict. There was a line and it is behind you.

And then what happened?

The line was subjugating and enslaving people - the colonists got their children killed. Also, how the fuck do you look at America today and conclude Sherman went far enough?

a BPR on a post Rimu lied in to gether sympathy from idiots. we don't need to be level-headed, we didn't start this fight and we aren't the ones who keep dragging the drama back up. we're not the narcissistic loser who can't stand that he isn't in control of his little fiefdom anymore or that people aren't fawning over him like he demands. we also aren't the ones who purged our communities of everyone who didn't pass a Trump-style loyalty test.

Rimu can get fucked. PyLova is now beyond his control, headed for a hard fork, and has more features and better security than Piefed ever did or ever will. and since he's pulling this shit, I'm considering rewriting the entire thing from scratch so we can use a license that requires attribution. so that the next time he uses patches we wrote to fix his shoddy code, he has to prominently display attribution to us since I know that will piss him off to no end.

Systematic killing of children cannot be justified by a war that's already over, no matter how justified that war was. Dessalines rode from city to city making good and goddamn sure those children got murdered for being born wrong.

Nobody with criticisms about reconstruction thinks the right answer was genocide.

Does one thing excuse the other thing, or not? Because if not - why would you have to mention it, when pointing out the other thing?

For many the purpose of federation is explicit, intentional control over their bubble. This includes, but is not limited to, silencing critics and elevating the self.

Honestly, the modern fediverse reminds me a bit the fringes of newsnet and IRC. Power-tripping moderators and god-complex "hackers" that know just a bit more about the clients or protocols than most people care to.

And just like then, I ignore the drama and simply walkaway if it affects my client or entry point to the network.

For me in particular:

• reactions (prevents rank abuse)
• tags
• mirror integration
• multi-com interactivity
• remote instance cannot delete posts/comments by default (gaslight abuse)
• <img height="auto">

Other stuff idcb:

• polls
• comment voting (stackoverflow)

Ah yes, the classic Bastard Operator From Hell.

but this pattern has gotten old.
It's older than mythology itself.

What.

federated software calls to them.
There’s a campaign reason for that.
Those of us experienced in colonization & empires, know exactly what allures them to “federation.”

🔁 in a few comms😁
yw

Wwwhy is it kinda weird, not to mention what you mentioned, when they mentioned what they mentioned?

For what other reason would you expect the positive thing to be included with the negative thing?