I mean.... I think it depends on the guy. Some guys have a strong body odor and first impressions matter a LOT. Also dates are usually at the end of the day when y'all are at your stankiest from the day's activities.

Clove oil?!

Dead serious but I prefer a natural scent. I’m for this.

Are we human able to feel pheromones? Or do they date other species?

Else, well, if they smell on a daily basis, some honnesty on the first date is not wrong, I guess...

Not shite?

Some people smell even shortly after showering with extremely strong body oder.

I've also never complained women are picky, and I have a partner. I don't get your position. Seems like you just wanna be right.

Yeah idk. I think they're just high on their own ego.

Natural is good.

Not showering is bad.

I disagree :)

Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean others feel the same way.

I mean...... Isn't it just common courtesy to be as clean as possible if there is a probability of any sexual activity?

I’m with my forever partner now so we won’t shower for a week

Do you guys not exercise or have sex? I don't even have the gene for underarm body odor, and even I would be smelly after a week.

but why do we all peacock so hard instead of just fuckin relaxing with each other?

Taking a shower before a date is peacocking? I mean I don't think you're going to be especially smelly if you haven't showered in a day or two and haven't been exercising or something.

However, I think it's just common courtesy to have your genitalia as clean as possible if there is even a slight possibility of them being in or around someone's mouth later.

I get it, I have a buddy who doesn't need deodorant because he just doesn't smell, even when doing manual labor. He still showers regularly, but not every day, to get the sweat and dirt off. I knew him for years before he told me and didn't suspect a thing.

Yes. Very small amount. Cedarwood is also nice, especially when mixed with clove, but some people are allergic.

Maybe he kept it to himself because people react with disgust despite all the evidence before their very noses.

Cleanliness as ritual.

Acting like they will stop being incels if they use Axe and buy a fit is disingenuous.

Quit generalizing. I'm not acting like that.

A same persone kiss doesn't "taste" the same according to what they ate just before. Yet may the compatibility of a persone doesn't depend on the last thing they ate?

When kissing you're not sampling for what they ate, you are sampling for genetic compatibility.

Disgusting?...
.. i guess

Incels are disgusting because they are hateful.

You really think I disagree with you?

Every accusation a confession lol. I wasn't talking about you specifically, but men in general complaining women are too picky yet refusing any modicum of introspection as to why women are not picking them so they just complain. It's like saying "I only eat pizza" and then complaining nobody invites you out for BBQ or something. I could care less about "winning" some internet comment section I'll forget about by dinner.

I just see this incel/male loneliness thing brought up again and again, and instead of knocking them back down i thought I'd try to offer a hand.

That seems like something to bring up with your doctor tbh. Of course you can bring up some obscure medical condition to try and prove your point "right", since that seems to be the most important thing to you.

Yet women date these men who bash their faces with hammers and now stink like shit.

Animals clean / "bathe" themselves in nature. Showering is natural.

Mandating it instead of basing it off your hygiene at the moment is lol. Just be fucking natural and relaxed 😂 idk why this is so hard to grasp.

Yeah idk what sauce you're lost in but I ain't gonna sort it out.

There's plenty of people on this post acting like a stinky man is unfit.

Suffice to say this is false.

There are plenty of things to criticize in a man. Their stank is not one of the ones that matter to me.

What matters to me:

Are they a misogynist?
Are they racist?
Are they hateful?
Are they classist?
Are they kind?
Are they empathic?
Are they able to cook?
Do they clean the dishes when they use them?

Nah dude it's just natural for some people, it's rare sure, but natural especially for certain diets. Mediterranean diets for example often cause specifically strong bo. It's not something I deal with, but it's privledged to treat it like a medical issue or something solvable when it's just something some people live with. Irregardless, it's just one small piece of my overall argument and I don't really care to have it strawmaned lol.

They do so with spit (at least cats do). Not with petrochemicals and aluminum.

But that stank is distracting from those higher values.

Some don't even lather soap up their crack. It's gross.

Really?

I have never smelt a cologne that masked the misogyny in an imbecile, nor have I smelt a fart that made me take distance from a good person.

Hey, the President is a role model, and if he's wearing a diaper, it's going to shit.

If you show up to a cafe smelling like an anime convention or a TCG tournament then you have only yourself to blame when your date runs away gagging.

Source? Because, the only info I've come across is a decades-old study that linked aluminum with Alzheimer's which was disproved a year later.

And they're fine just being fake or high effort, like that's maintainable in a long term relationship 😂. Like fuck bro we all get old, you're gonna be changing your partners drawers or vice versa at some point. Life gets rough, they'll find out eventually.

Aluminum dust exposure and risk of neurodegenerative diseases in a cohort of male miners in Ontario, Canada

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8504163/

Aluminium exposure leads to neurodegeneration and alters the expression of marker genes involved to parkinsonism in zebrafish brain
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0045653522022457

From nature summary

Aluminum Neurotoxicity in Neurodegenerative Diseases

"Aluminium crosses the blood–brain barrier via transferrin-mediated pathways and can catalyse the generation of reactive oxygen species, disrupt mitochondrial function and promote neuroinflammatory cascades. At the molecular level, aluminium ions can bind to amyloidogenic proteins, facilitating the oligomerisation of β-amyloid and stabilising hyperphosphorylated tau, thereby amplifying the formation of senile plaques and neurofibrillary tangles characteristic of Alzheimer’s disease. In Parkinson’s disease and other movement disorders, aluminium may contribute to dopaminergic neuronal loss by exacerbating mitochondrial dysfunction and α-synuclein aggregation. Epidemiological studies have detected elevated aluminium levels in post-mortem brain tissue from patients with Alzheimer’s disease, multiple sclerosis and autism spectrum disorder."

https://www.nature.com/nature-index/topics/l4/aluminum-neurotoxicity-in-neurodegenerative-diseases

That's quite the routine. All I ever needed was a shower with plain Ivory soap just before the date.

Maybe something with this?

Regarding human attraction, evolutionary theory suggests that individuals may be subconsciously drawn to partners with dissimilar MHC genes. This preference is often mediated by body odor, as MHC genotypes influence the scent of sweat and other bodily fluids. Choosing a partner with different MHC alleles increases the likelihood that offspring will inherit a diverse set of immune genes, potentially enhancing their pathogen resistance and overall fitness.

My ex once made me sleep on the couch because I ate an entire bag of wasabi peas that turned my farts into war crimes.

Who is mandating it? It's just common courtesy.

Idk why you think having a quick shower to at least wash your genitals is some kind of demanding task? Is performing oral sex on someone with clean genitals somehow unnatural or unrelaxing to you?

That's literally the conversation. My argument is that mandating showers before events is not based on any reasonable logic and that the entire meme here screams of shallow peacocking that won't result in long term compatibility or happiness. You're the only one talking about genitals.