God you're fucking shallow and a terrible debater. I'm not diswaying from discussing it because it's some sort of crux to my argument, I'm diswaying from it's discussion because it is unrelated to the discussion.

So shallow because I want to be clean before a date......? Part of that cleanliness is obviously going to involve your genitals as you are going on a date which often concludes with sex.

This is unrelated how?

If all you've got in your mind is the others genitals during a date, you're chasing smoke, and you'll realize that when you're older or wiser.

Lol, I'm very confident that I am older than you. Having the forethought to predict that your sexual partner would like you to be clean does not take a lot of processing power for most people.

Plus, I don't really care to talk about genitals or sex with you, I'll discuss hygiene, but that can be in generic terms with no sexual involvement.

It's kinda an important aspect of being in a romantic relationship......

My entire point to all of this is that it's shallow to change your habits just to persuade someone into a date/relationship, it's not sustainable long term, and you'll end up unhappy.

Lol, long-term relationships are all about both people changing their personal behavior in a way that makes their partners life easier. That's part of growing old with the person you love. The fact you think relationships are about never making a personal compromise or remaining true to a false image of yourself let's me know you are either in your twenties or have never been in a relationship longer than 5 years.

Lmao why did you say this so formally?

Are they a misogynist? Are they racist? Are they hateful? Are they classist? Are they kind? Are they empathic?

I'm guessing if they're getting their hygiene tips from the man-o-sphere about things like pheremones, etc.... they're likely also going to be all of the above (except the last one).

It's not that hard... shower 4-8 hours before the date, then don't do anything that makes you sweat significantly or become dirty. You'll still be clean, but won't have scrubbed away your natural smells and the like.

You can't comprehend my comment?

Maybe, but I wouldn't put too much faith in this being the source, because (a) these male influencer types often just transfer (outdated) findings from research on animal behavior to humans (see this "alpha/beta/sigma" stuff) and (b) the idea here seems to be "more is better" which makes no sense even if you were to (wrongly) equate body odor with sex pheromones.

Midnight bedfarts are part of being married.

Nobody is innocent in war, though some people won't ever admit that they do it, once you're asleep I can promise something gonna sneak out the back when you're tired enough.

I use to have sex with a few people that preferred Ivory, and I could always smell it. I might just have a very sensitive nose.

The smell plays a role in attraction. Fertility surely plays a role too, for heterosexual relationships… yet I guess the compatibility of immune system should still play a role in homosexual relationships and between people who aren't fertile (due to age or health conditions) since it is not conscious, no? Do you know if it has been studied too?

We alternate our cursing. Sometimes feckin', sometimes fuckin'. Sometimes shit, sometimes shite. Sometimes cock, sometimes dick, sometimes lad, sometimes mickey, sometimes tool, sometimes one-eyed trousersnake, etc. Sometimes pussy, sometimes minge, sometimes gee, sometimes fanny, sometimes box, sometimes cunt, etc. You get the idea. The improvisational variety is half the fun of cursing.

Nobody is saying to change your personality or habits so you can PERSUADE someone to date you. You are adding that yourself. It's like dudes not wiping their ass after they shit cuz "touching your butt is gay" and then getting upset women don't want to go on dates with them cuz they smell bad lol.

Why don't you have a date in a Waffle House bathroom if you don't care about smells?

That's a fun way to admit you have no good response lmao

I mean, some of your body odor isn't. But yeah, if you don't shower you reek from bacteria...

Uh huh right and just curious what's your relationship with your parents like? lol

One of the most hilarious moments in my life was watching my mother-in-law casually use the word "fanny" in front of our entire Irish extended family, and seeing their reactions. I believe the verbatim was "carting their fannies around". (As in, she was driving folks to various destinations in a rental car.) She may have also used the phrase "giving rides" in conjunction.

Even little kids say this in America, it's the equivalent of "bum" really, and isn't associated with a specific gender. The reactions on the faces of these people, some of whom we were meeting for the first time, were truly priceless.

incel maxing

Advertising isn't a multibillion dollar industry for nothing.

Lol! Fair enough.

As nervous as I get on dates, I don't think I need to skip any showers beforehand

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I guess measuring skull dimensions went out of fashion.

They also fail to understand that ""fresh"" body odor (as in: just finished doing some jogging) is different from 2 weeks old stink

You’re aware that there are many, many, aluminum, petroleum, and sulfate free products out there, right? You can also just exfoliate in the shower with only a wash cloth and water. Just because there are shitty products on the market it doesn’t mean you don’t have options for healthy, basic, and yes, natural for humans (which are, arguably, not cats.), hygiene.

They don’t, though.

Lol fr? I thought dart people were more on the normal side than the nerd side...

The herd thins itself.

Oh God no. They drink a lot and eat like shit. State dart tournaments smell like BO and a porta-pottie. There's so much methane I'm surprised none have exploded yet.

This is what Axe body spray is for!

There is a reasonable scientific basis for this though, even though a lot of people are making fun, this isn't useless advice.

Well, that's horrifying.

What was that, Jay Spheres sir?

I’m not up on whatever trend but it may work in some cases provided they’re not just marinating in filth (there’s definitely a difference).

I got psy-op’d by society into being very anxious about possibly smelling around a date since I sweat easily so I ensured absolutely every time before one was a VERY thorough shower and scrub til’ I was practically raw, generous application of deoderant, etc. and applied a light bit of tea tree oil before I went on a date.

On one of the early dates with my now-wife while we were watching a movie, she finally turned to me and said that there was some sort of smell to me that was giving her a headache for the past few dates and asked if I could just not use that moving forward.

It turned out that she actually hated the deoderant and tea tree and so on and actually some sort of wire is crossed in her head such that my natural body scent smells like passionfruit to her (she very positively rates passionfruit). So my early efforts to come off as if I have never had the concept of sweat in my life were directly sabotaging my attempt to appeal to her nose, in addition to making me feel insecure about it when there was really no need.

Show me the scientific study that supports men smelling like ass get more ass.

Doesn't exist. All you got is pheromones, not even correlation, just speculation.

That this somehow transfers to not showering leading to positive interactions with women is mere speculation.

But, y'all go ahead and try whatever. It's not like talking to women respectfully and showing an interest hasn't worked for, well, since forever.

I’m pretty sure if it’s anything-maxxing it’s stupid as fuck. Unless it’s giving me money-maxing. I’m all for that one.

Some men are fucking idiots.

Sweat on its own doesn't even necessarily smell (though it can). Its primarily when it interacts with bacteria on the skin that BO is produced

Can you tell us more about the exciting world of darts?

Now I'm imagining my little geneva convention breaking farts in spy costumes skulking out of my butt.

That's about it. I quit playing when my kid was born.

I mean yeah if you showered in the morning and didn't sweat during the day, you're fine. We naturally smell good, it's when we sweat and bacteria grows in our sweaty pores, that's where the bad smell comes from.

so how many men is "some men?" weasel words imply the actual reality is someone saw a statistically insignificant number of tweets and didn't want to say that because it weakens the point they already decided they want to make.

anyway my junk smells great after a shower, and i know people with sniff kinks, so... i guess that makes me more alpha than these losers.

Nobody said smelling like ass, obviously that doesn't smell good to anyone. But yes, if you weren't sweating and you showered in the morning, believe it or not straight women like the smell of men.

I feel like a lot of those things go hand in hand with hygiene though. At least me i dont personally give a shit how i smell, but i shower every morning out respect for others. Someone who doesn't keep themselves clean isn't going to be keeping the kitchen and bathroom clean either.

.have I smelt a fart that made me take distance from a good person

Consider yourself lucky then, ive smelled farts that made me leave work early and go home and shower immediately lmao

That's fine, women aren't looking for a five star chef, they just need a guy who can cook once or twice a week when they're super busy.

Dishwashers are a thing but it's just easier to handwash tbh. Once i rinse the dish and use a fork to clear any food debris to make it ready for the dishwaher, it takes like two more seconds to wipe it with a soapy sponge. I can just do the whole sink by hand in ten minutes, or spend five minutes loading and then wait an hour.

It's nice when im running late for work or something but 9/10 times i just hand wash.

Yes, it's a correlation, correct. And yeah every single crackhead bum is an infinitely better person than some corpo executive spending his life destroying the planet. But you also don't wanna date a hobo who's a really great guy.