Idk why this dude has such a strong opinion like he's ever going to make sexual contact with a woman.

I understand what you mean and appreciate it. You’re right, it’s not particularly productive to get into it in comment sections.

Aside from that, the overwhelming amount of casual sexism that’s openly tolerated and upvoted on Lemmy is astonishing sometimes.

These types of posts see a lot of men chiming in to say what they find attractive, what women should do to be attractive to them. It’s annoying. I’m aware that I annoy those men by saying something, but oh well.

True, I wouldn't know for sure as that type will harass me no matter what I do lol

That post is like some precision engineered engagement bait. There are multiple axes of conflict that ensnare people in the mood to argue or share their opinions.

Have you ever considered that maybe you're just not as smart as you seem to think you are? Or that people may not always agree with you, and that's okay?

Neither observation has anything to do with your gender by the way, though I have a sneaking suspicion you won't see it that way.

This you in the same thread?

“Nobody cares what makes your dick hard.”
https://lemmy.world/post/50398336/25177012

"Can confirm, I am also thinking about the waitress with big tits while laying in bed.”
https://lemmy.world/post/50398336/25171603

Seems like your problem isn't objectifying women, it's men. Which is fine, but don't act like you're taking some morally superior position, you're just a basic misandrist.

Makes sense. I know modern styles partly descend from drag, particularly the use of contouring. And yeah more angular looks can make one appear thinner, which seems to be part of the goal.

Tbh I really like that the trend of makeup has been moving from "look young" towards "look striking", and only partly because I personally prefer to wear a bold eye and dark lip combo

Is it supposed to be... something about Trans people?

"Trans women refusing to disclose is sexual assault" is something these idiots obsess about and say so yeah probably.

I’ve never claimed to be smart, just brash and strongly opinionated.

I’m ok with people not agreeing with me. That doesn’t mean I have to be quiet in the face of sexism.

Agreed...both are beautiful in how she wants to present herself.

Did not know Maralago face was a thing, but I know exactly what you mean.

My (ultra-MAGA) father won't shut up about how "drop dead gorgeous" Melania Trump is....but when i look at her, she looks like she's made of plastic.

Not to necessarily knock the look; it must work for some people, and if that's how you prefer to look, don't let me shit on your day. That said, it's not for me and I'm glad my partner prefers a more au natural look.

You telling me I can date a shapeshifter that is beautiful in all versions? Don't threaten me with a good time!

Is she not wearing makeup on both photos? The left is obvious because no one has a face like that, but on the right, that skin tone looks way too uniform to be anyone's natural skin.

Men can't tell the difference between actual no-makeup and a no-makeup-look. Ask my husband. We've been working on his ability to tell the difference. 😂

People like you do more harm than good for the cause you're fighting for. You are a living caricature of what actual incels use to justify their rotten worldview.

Same😡

If one person on the internet being a feminist killjoy is enough for you to disavow feminism, you were never supportive of it to begin with.

“If men find out we can shapeshift they are going to tell the church”

from the outside looking in, it very much seems like you think YOURE the one better than others. Youre taking the velma LARP way too seriously at this point, and youre giving 'netflix wokescold velma' and not 'cool 60s velma', so its not even a fun larp youre doing either

I will say that I had an Instagram for a minute and was sort of enjoying it. Something changed the algorithm and I watched a bunch of makeup commercials for contouring.

I was absolutely fascinated and decided that this was the secret spy stuff of mission impossible which, of course, led me to Berlin spy stuff and the thing .

I can spot even a little concealer or foundation in person but phone cameras apply so many filters I would never make a guess based off a selfie. That could be makeup, could be portrait mode.

How can this be anything other than rage bait when the woman on the right is so pretty and the language is so gross and offensive?

One makes femcels mad and the other also makes them mad but in a different way

I guess a few too many times finding posts where y’all are pushing that 14 year olds can consent to sex and that men should be allowed to murder their wives if they cheat and joking about raping women has turned me real sour on these kinds of comments.

I’m not LARPing. I’m astonished at how some of you act. Or worse, how some of you see these comments and don’t say anything at all.

Yes. I stand by both comments. That you don’t understand that one is in response to derogatory comments about women’s bodies and the other is making a joke that doesnt punch down on women is telling.

It's not objectifying women when you reduce them to "big tits", but when a guy says "She's attractive without makeup" that's "punching down"!

It's annoying and presumptuous. That woman isn't thinking about what y'all think of her makeup every morning.

That's different than a comment about what I'm thinking about in response to a meme.

Again, it's telling that you can't tell the difference.

She looks way better without makeup

Editing your comment after I’ve replied is shady.

When a guy says that, it’s presumptuous and annoying. Women aren’t concerned with his thoughts on what looks best on women. No one gives a fuck what he prefers women to look like.

The comment punching down is the one comparing women’s large breasts to cows milk glands.

Who gives a fuck?

When a guy says that, it’s presumptuous and annoying. Women aren’t concerned with his thoughts on what looks best on women. No one gives a fuck what he prefers women to look like.

This gendered language is what I'm talking about. The gender of the objectifier isn't what determines whether or not objectification happened. The implication of your sentence as structured is that it's a problem because a man did it. It's a problem either way and we shouldn't excuse objectification of women just because internalized misogyny made it so the patriarchal gaze came from a woman.

Look you're obviously EXCELLENT with rhetoric and well versed in feminism. Good on you. We need more of that around here. I'm just suggesting you explore your thoughts a little deeper because your inner misandry dilutes your arguments and weakens the effectiveness of your fight.

Or ignore me, I'm just calling out what I see like you are.

I’m talking within the context of this post. If a woman posted that she preferred this woman change to suit her tastes, my comment still applies.

No woman is doing that here.

I don’t care if the sexist men on the fediverse like me. If calling out casual sexism makes me a misandrist despite my extensive comment history supporting men, then so be it. I don’t need your approval.

"Doesn't disclose up front"?

If the guy can't tell that the left one isn't all natural, he seriously needs to get his eyes checked and stop playing games or watching movies that suggest otherwise.

To extend the tiniest bit of charity to him, those games and movies are part of the problem. Sure, some women like to feel pretty, but if every woman looks perfectly styled all the time in the middle of an apocalypse, their contouring and eye-shadow as immaculate when waking up as it was when they went to sleep with it, I can kinda get how someone who rarely interacts with women comes away with the impression that's what women typically look like.

Of course, "rarely interacts with women" is hardly a compliment (and using the term "females" sure isn't helping his case).

She looks good when she feels good, actually

She does look happier without it

Could just be a phone's camera deciding people should have perfect skin

Who says wearing makup doesn't make her feel good?

Not really, she just isn’t posing in the second picture. You can see her dimple is still impressed and her eyes slightly closed like she’s trying to suppress a smile.

She’s clearly joyful in both images

There's being strongly opinionated, and then there's acting like a stubborn, arrogant ass. The fact that just about everyone in this thread disagrees with you does not exactly reflect positively on your argument. And yet you continue to double down.

For the record, I do somewhat understand the point you're trying to make. Maybe this was not the post for me to speak on what I consider to be attractive, but I really didn't give it that much thought. So fair play for calling me out on that to an extent.

But I truly believe intention matters. If a man simply stating what he finds attractive about a woman is enough for you to think he's sexist, I guess you're entitled to your opinion. That you would equate me to someone who compares women wearing makeup to sexual assault is completely unhinged. I genuinely feel sorry for you if that's how you go through life.

Good job assuming everyone's gender in this thread I guess.

Also nobody is asking anyone to change? It's two pictures of the same woman in different looks?

It's like someone posts a picture of them in two dresses and someone says "I like the one on the left" and you're out here flipping out on them.

The point is some people like make up, some people don't. That's true for the person putting on (or not) the makeup and the person observing them. I hope they partner up in compatible ways so no one is pressured to change. Some people like the make-up look but feel betrayed when they find out it wasn't natural. That last group is insanely out of touch. That's pretty much the whole thread.

I'm having trouble telling it on account of the makeup but I think she should probably decide which herself.

The fact that just about everyone in this thread disagrees with you does not exactly reflect positively on your argument

There were a lot of people who disagreed with me about 14 year olds being unable to consent to sex with adults, too. That doesn't make me wrong.

Unasked for commentary on how a woman looks is unnecessary and presumptuous. Who gives a fuck what any individual thinks about how THIS woman should present herself? The only thing that matters is what SHE wants to look like.

Misogyny and sexism is on the rise again and this kind of casual sexism goes hand in hand with it.

Then add in the fact that if whoever wrote this saw any woman out in public without makeup he would then complain about that.

These people have nothing except their persecution complex.

Right? And it cares not whether right or left! Pefect, truly!

I'm just riffing on the big ol' smile she has on the right. Just to be clear, I think anyone should wear what feels right to them, though I do feel a little wary of societal pressure when it comes to makeup

Fair, fair. Makeup is really just paint colors that are skin safe at the end of the day.

Right woman very pretty. Me agree too. Makeup patriarchy.

Anyway.

Left makeup gives me latent ivanka trump vibes which I find pretty weird. It's like makeup or not changed her from loosely Eastern European 28 to 22 from the midwest. If it's real, it is crazy what you can do with makeup effects!

She's making different expressions, which is a big confounding factor.

Whatever, I can tell I'm at a dead end with trying to get through to you. This is a Lemmy post, not your first year gender studies class... it's really not that deep. Maybe get over yourself and touch some grass.

Sexism isn’t that deep coming from someone comfortable enough to publicly judge women’s appearances doesn’t ring true, sorry not sorry.