Idk, the process looked fine to me. I can't say I agree with the arguments and the outcome, but it never looked like a bad process.

Up-/Downvotes on a pinned post doesn't change visibility for instance users.

The bolsheviks never targeted the cultural Cossack people, nomadic Steppe horse riders, but instead "Cossacks," Tsarist troops that ran down peasants on horseback. They had the same name because the Tsar relied heavily on recruiting the Cossack people, but it wasn't a random decision to commit genocide like you're framing. That's why your own link says information on the subject is highly blurred and contested:

Several scholars have categorised this as a form of genocide,[6][7][8][9][10] whilst other historians have highly disputed this classification due to the contentious figures involved, which range from "a few thousand to incredible claims of hundreds of thousands".[11][12][13]

Lenin didn't order the deaths of random people. Lenin led a revolution, one which overturned the incredibly brutal Tsarist system. Lenin did not unilaterally impose socialism, it was something fought for by the working classes. The White Army (the Tsarist forces), the fourteen capitalist nations that invaded Russia during its revolution, and the former ruling classes were all fought by the revolutionary peoples led by Lenin. In eliminating Tsarism, and establishing socialism, the transition from pure squalor resulted in doubling of life expectancy, tripling of literacy rates to 99.9%, free and high quality healthcare and education for all, the right to a job, certified home ownership, and much more.

Mark Twain spoke this of the French Revolution:

THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.

The Russian Revolution was much the same. Hundreds of millions of lives were uplifted and saved by it. That is why Lenin is remembered as a hero even in post-socialist Russia.

Liberalism arose as a bourgeois ideology to use against the feudalist systems, the equivalent in feudalism being the clergy and the church. The mode of production capitalism is based on individual ownership of capital, and claiming the labor-power sold by workers is equal in position to the capitalists buying the labor-power and selling commodoties.

Liberalism was left when feudalism was dominant. Putting it in its historical context, it helped overthrow feudalism. However, there is no "Absolute Idea" of Hegel, what was progressive at one point is still reactionary at a later point. In the era of capitalist decay, socialism is on the left, the progressive ideology.

I was against banning the communities, but the second link doesn't feel like it deserved to be banned. Many examples brought up in the vote were comments that were looking for a fight, using aggressive language.

It's also pretty telling that the vote was about banning access to communities, and after it finished, they banned the whole instance. I guess it is important to the community (or the folks that are paying to support the instance), that everyone is on the same page on this issue.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gruesome-story-hannah-duston-american-colonist-whose-slaying-indians-made-her-folk-hero-180968721/

please note the similarities to pissrahelli hasbara and indigenous resistance in palestine.

Lemmy.ml has a lot of communists, and dbzer0 is mainly anarchists with some communists as well. We have a lot more in common with each other than with feddit.org, which as we can see has a bad history with Zionism at the admin level. It's entirely consistent to defederate feddit.org, which dbzer0 voted for as an instance, while remaining federated with Lemmy.ml.

Easy: unjust, unfair, dumb.

Nazis easily pretend to be the nice people following the rules and if you get angry you're the bad one. Don't be nice to Nazis. Yell at them, insult them, punch them. Enforcing laws to protect oppressors is nothing more than protecting oppressors. "The only legitimate violence is state violence" and all that propaganda.

The Nazis are the ones breaking the "be nice" rule in the first place, they just do it while speaking nicely, they talk about enforcing rules and protecting order, but somehow they always dodge the question of how many people their order is killing. That's not being nice. The rule is only there to forbid you for fighting back.

If you think that the "be nice" rule should punish calls to take down Israel or contest german support for the genocide, but not punish that same support for the genocide because it's nice and polite... You're just protecting the genocide. It doesn't matter if anti-genocide comments are not nice enough for you - they shouldn't have to be nice. Especially not when the German government literally makes it illegal to denounce Israel, even nicely.

A "be nice" rule is bad when there's another rule that says it's illegal to denounce genocide.

we support socialist systems where the working classes hold the authority in society, rather than capitalists.

I feel like, despite this being explained every time, people still think "dictatorship of the proletariat" is a bad thing because of the word "dictatorship"...

Yep, or they realize it means democratic control by the proletariat, dictatorship against capitalists and fascists, as Marx intended, but then think socialist countries all misunderstood Marx and established capitalist-style dictatorships of the few. This is a deeply chauvanist attitude though, that assumes people in socialist countries too stupid to understand basic Marxist concepts (despite having higher functional literacy rates than the US Empire).

Truly a .ml stance haha.
Do you think the people in Ukraine consider themselves Russian? Is that why they're fighting tooth and nail to avoid the Russian oppressors?

"The source for the crime is, unsurprisingly, the victim, the criminal is denying any wrongdoing" hmmm

Authoritarian is a basically meaningless word already but "people voting for something I don't like" is an especially idiotic way to define it.

In the thread I linked the thread op and several others were complaining about DM harrassment.

That was happening immidiately after emopunker decided to post the names of three upvoters of the defederation thread in meanwhileongrad, while the vote was still happening.

It's a pretty straightforward chain of events, if you're insisting on seeing nothing I think the problem is between your keyboard and your chair

Yet another example of why the abstract concept of "authoritarianism" is useless. In this case, the people of dbzer0 decided democratically to wield their authority to defederate from an instance with an explicit Zionist problem. It isn't the defederation that's the problem in the abstract, or the authority, it's the fact that this authority was used against Zionists.

Dbzer0 civility rules aim to protect marginalized people from harassment. feddit.org's are being deployed to protect Zionism from criticism while tone-policing Palestinians and their allies. These aren't the same thing just because they both use the word 'civility.'

feddit isn't exactly enforcing civility neutrally. They're silencing anti-Zionism while treating Zionist positions as the default that deserves civil engagement. That's a political choice with the fig leaf of 'just following orders the law', hardly 'basic logic'. But thanks for explaining to a silly girl like me

Basing this on a temporal chain of events alone is weak. I'll give you, that there might be a connection: names listed -> harassment started.

That does not mean that Emopunker is responsible though. Could have been another user. Could have been you for all I know. Could also have happened for other reasons. And, there is still the possibility that it might have no connection to this at all.

You'll need to provide some stronger evidence, otherwise I'll take this as baseless accusations and, possibly, a defamation attempt.

Feel free to deliver, especially since you seem to be observing this. I'd like to know whether an admin on the instance I am using is harassing people.

They posted to the snark comm, the harassment follows. Just because there's no proof they were personally sending the messages doesn't absolve them of responsibility for their actions.

if anything the defamation was coming from emopunker, declaring people upvoting the thread about their instance being zionist as 'the same person' to a snark comm was pretty clearly implying a call to action for someone

I love a wall of text as much as the next autist but im going to be a low effort in my response because I fucking hate having this conversation with tankies because its always so bad faith.

First of all I need to clear up that I dont think USSR sided with the Nazi's because they supported Nazi ideology. I'm saying they dont get any credit for joining the war or fighting against hilter because they choose to side with him and support his war effort and only joined because they were backstabbed.

Ok so to sum up you're point you're saying that the USSR did the most to fight against nazi germany because they sold weapons to the anti facists in the spanish civil war and one of their westernized diplomats proposed a collective security agreement and they offered to send 1 million troops to france(this would never happen) and said they would support chzek despite having no land border. Then you give 4 paragraphs coping about soviet invasions. No mention of the

You're ignoring historical context surrounding the USSR and then acting surprised at other countries reactions. I dont think any of what you've said really negates them signing an agreement with Hilter to divide up the east and provide support to Hitler's war effort.

Meaningless coming from someone whos entire ideology is to support a uniparty with complete narrative control that executes anyone who thinks different.

You're arguing against the people wielding their power against Zionists and in favor of Zionists being able to speak freely. You moved to an instance with stricter defederation, showing you don't care about defederation in the abstract, but what was being defederated.

Who is invading who exactly?

"Burglar files counter-claim arguing that the owner of the house they're stealing from is actually stealing from the burglar"

The linked definition doesn't match with you calling the vote/outcome authoritarian.

Authoritarian/authoritarianisn is so widely defined that literally every country, organisation and movement fits it by necessity in class society

Authoritarian is a pejorative used by idiots to avoid grappling with the reality of one class necessarily suppressing another in class society.

So all moderation is wrong? Also you seem to very clearly not understand what anarchism is beyond the infantile "tyranny of bedtime" surface.

Wow, is it really so hard to believe that I'm, you know, saying what I think?

.world happened to be my first fediverse account, dbzer0 came later. I've lots at this point, exactly because of instance defederation, but the idea of what db0 was doing seemed particularly interesting, hence my disappointment.

In any case I've nothing more to add here.

Hope you get a nice weekend, ciao.

There is attitude and reputation

There is attitude and reputation

I don't think it's particularly interesting that anarchists defederated from Zionists.

I absolutely agree with you, in fact I even said somewhere else in these comments that some of the stuff Israel is doing is on the same level or worse than what happened in Nazi Germany.

However, you said it literally yourself, it's not on the same scale (yet).

Also, if you read my original comment carefully, I'm personally not even agreeing with the way this issue is handled, in my opinion, go ahead, compare Israel to Nazis. My only goal was to create understanding, and show that no, feddit.org is not actually Zionist.

No its because this person is lying. They dont honestly believe in a worker run democracy. Its just a palatable phrase they use to appear less extreme.

They support a political class with total control benevolently dishing out to the working population.

People might not see the stickied post, for whatever reason. I'm mostly on X hours top, which hides the thread if older than X hours. Or someone could just not use Lemmy for a week. There is no notification or similar, no email alert.

Yeah, did you not read why? How else do you want piefed to mitigate onetime spam accounts to sibyl downvote comments?

I'm not even arguing for the things you're talking about, I'm just trying to bring some understanding. In literally none of the things I talked about, nor in what the feddit.org admins talked about, was there anything about keeping up unconditional support for Israel.

any support of pissrael is zionism. Everyone knows what pissrael stands for, what it does, this is like talking about "unconditional support for nazi germany" in 1943. No amount of conditions is gonna make support for a genocidal apartheid settler colony appropriate.

Death to Pissrael, Death to the united Schutzstaffeln of ameriKKKa, Death to genocidesmany, Death to the Nazi-American Treatler Organisation, Long live the global south and the proletariat.

That is good and I did not know that.

There is plenty of proletariat within the USA, Germany and Israel. Should they live long or die?

If you cannot differentiate the German government from me or the people of Germany, then I can't help you. "Full" is something entirely different. I hate what my government is doing.

you’re only interested in labels
You’re a fundamentalist extremist and a hateful human. Be better.

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I don't know which part confuses you?

I would argue that this would be the minority of users, not the majority.

The countries you wish death for are roughly 90% proletariat. How can you want death for the one, but not the other?

What makes you think this way?