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ExLisper lemmy.curiana.net ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
Joined: 2025-03-22
#52 · Quote Reply

Lmfao of course they had something like this set up

I posted this link before. Sometimes I feel like not everyone here is reading my comments.

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manxu piefed.social manxu@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-02-27
#53 · Quote Reply

I'm not too worried about additional tariffs passing through congress, though. That would have been the safer approach to try from the beginning if Trump's people thought they could make it work. They opted for this workaround loophole nonsense specifically to go around congress because they had already ruled out the possibility of congressional approval. I just don't think Trump could ever man...

But wouldn't it be delightful if he actually tried, because that's the only thing left to do and he can't possibly give up on the tariffs?

That's his one signature economic policy. Without tariffs, he's got nothing. Even though they are unpopular, he still claims they just need more time, you'll see how marvelous life is going to be when he hands the tariff checks to every household in America.

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FaceDeer fedia.io FaceDeer@fedia.io
Joined: 2024-03-03
#54 · Quote Reply

When she looks relatively sane and moderate it just demonstrates how crazy and extreme the fascists in charge are.

Oh, certainly. I would never say she was a good pick for the Supreme Court. She's a monster who has turned on her creator, as so many of them ultimately do.

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gravitas_deficiency sh.itjust.works gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-20
#55 · Quote Reply

I posted this link before. Sometimes I feel like not everyone here is reading my comments.

I must have missed it - I try to take breaks from doomscrolling occasionally 😛

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AA5B lemmy.world AA5B@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
#56 · Quote Reply

Important to note that the ruling just says Trump exceeded his authority in setting the tariffs, not that the tariffs themselves were illegal/unconstitutional. That means that Congress can authorize Trump to continue doing this. The question is whether Mike Johnson and John Thune have the numbers to pass that law. They already both quashed efforts to curb Trump's authority before.

That’s fine, sort of. Maybe we’re all just traumatized by violating constitution, checks and balances, the rule of law, but I’d welcome the improvement if they were evil legally

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anon_8675309 lemmy.world anon_8675309@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-09-01
#57 · Quote Reply

I suspect you're right on the money, since their handlers are probably trump's handlers too.

There’s a term that I can’t recall about positioning a bad person as a less bad alternative in order to gain support.

So basically the theory is when Trump goes, they’ll say, look he was the bad one, it’ll all be better now with this other guy.

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3jane piefed.ca 3jane@piefed.ca
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#58 · (edited) Quote Reply

I wonder how many companies were put out of business by these tariffs?

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D_C sh.itjust.works D_C@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-06-04
#59 · Quote Reply

Another illegal {insert thing here}?

Oh, wow, is it time to arrest and charge?
Or, will you do nothing just like the 7456 times the fat cunt broke your laws in the last year and you did fuck all?

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merc sh.itjust.works merc@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-09
#60 · Quote Reply

There are already lawsuits filed for refunds of tariff payments. Of course the money will go to the companies that made the payments. All of us who actually paid them by paying more for basically every consumer good are out of luck.

It this were a proper, well regulated capitalist marketplace with actual competition, the company that sold you the widget might offer you a rebate on your next order so that they could keep your business. But, when your only real option is Amazon, they know you're not going anywhere, so they'll keep the tariff repayment and just wait for your next order.

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jaschen306 sh.itjust.works jaschen306@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-06-09
#61 · Quote Reply

I wonder how many companies were put out of business by these tariffs?

My brother in law supplied bubble tea material for bubble tea shops in both the Portland and Vegas area. He shut down 2 months ago because of the tariffs. His increased price made shops in those areas shut down and ultimately he decided enough was enough.

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arrow74 lemmy.zip arrow74@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-06-04
#62 · (edited) Quote Reply

Important to note that the ruling just says Trump exceeded his authority in setting the tariffs, not that the tariffs themselves were illegal/unconstitutional. That means that Congress can authorize Trump to continue doing this. The question is whether Mike Johnson and John Thune have the numbers to pass that law. They already both quashed efforts to curb Trump's authority before.

Any other ruling wouldn't have made sense. The issue was not about if tariffs are legal, but rather if the President has the authority to unilaterally set them.

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3jane piefed.ca 3jane@piefed.ca
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#63 · Quote Reply

So they are going to pay it back right?……….Right?

There's always the chance Costco gives its customers something. They have records of everything purchased by members. Every other company, I wouldn't hold my breath. These tariffs have cost companies a lot in paperwork as well.

Maybe commercial clients who have bought something really substantial will get something refunded.

That's all if Trump's government complies, which he's previously said it wouldn't. He'll make another excuse or appeal it until he's gone, making it someone else's problem.

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the_artic_one programming.dev the_artic_one@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-06-18
#64 · Quote Reply

Another illegal {insert thing here}? Oh, wow, is it time to arrest and charge? Or, will you do nothing just like the 7456 times the fat cunt broke your laws in the last year and you did fuck all?

An illegal executive order isn't a crime, it just doesn't count.

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rbos lemmy.ca rbos@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2023-06-08
#65 · Quote Reply

They see the tide turning. And Trump will be dead by summer. Time to start positioning JD as the good guy … then they’ll start their bullshit up again…

Beast Rabban is dead, long love kind, glorious Feyd-Rautha!

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ape_arms lemmy.world ape_arms@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-21
#66 · Quote Reply

It doesn't matter. Remember all those times when Trump & Co set a tariff percentage, then lowered it a few weeks later? I wonder why? Maybe somebody made a "donation" to his bitcoin account. He got what he wanted.

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Tempus Fugit lemmy.world Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world
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#67 · Quote Reply

Did Howard Lutnick just make millions?

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FreddiesLantern leminal.space FreddiesLantern@leminal.space
Joined: 2025-09-19
#68 · (edited) Quote Reply

Another illegal {insert thing here}? Oh, wow, is it time to arrest and charge? Or, will you do nothing just like the 7456 times the fat cunt broke your laws in the last year and you did fuck all?

This seems like a job for drumroll+horns
CHUCK SHUMER & HAKEEM JEFFRIES

Dynamic duo of incompetence extraordinaire!

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Voroxpete sh.itjust.works Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-07-07
#69 · (edited) Quote Reply

I'm not too worried about additional tariffs passing through congress, though. That would have been the safer approach to try from the beginning if Trump's people thought they could make it work. They opted for this workaround loophole nonsense specifically to go around congress because they had already ruled out the possibility of congressional approval. I just don't think Trump could ever man...

He absolutely does not have the numbers to get this through congress. Across the aisle repubs and dems are mostly pro-business, pro-trade, and these tariffs don't make an ounce of sense to any of them. Some GOP goons would vote for it just to make Trump happy, but way too many would rather protect their wealthy donors than protect the President. There's not a lot of political future in making the Waltons unhappy.

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CannonFodder lemmy.world CannonFodder@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-08-22
#70 · Quote Reply

Companies that made the payments already sold their rights to this refunds to investment funds for cents on the dollar. Now the funds will make shitload of money. And guess who invested in all of it? Yes, people connected to Trump! https://www.wired.com/story/cantor-fitzgerald-trump-tariff-refunds/ They straight out robbed everyone.

This explains the sc decision. The billionaires bribed them to make bank with these refund investments.

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A_norny_mousse piefed.zip A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip
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#71 · Quote Reply

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Bless your heart.

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TrackinDaKraken lemmy.world DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-02-26
#72 · Quote Reply

I'm shocked! SHOCKED I tell you!

I am. Sincerely, I'm shocked. This is quite the surprise.

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DarkFuture lemmy.world DarkFuture@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-11-06
#73 · Quote Reply

So the Supreme Court finally found out what we all already knew?

But a few of them clearly still haven't gotten the memo?

I mean I'm trying to be happy about this news, but it's kind of just more proof how pathetic and corrupt our SC is.

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GoofSchmoofer lemmy.world GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-12
#74 · (edited) Quote Reply

This seems like a job for drumroll+horns CHUCK SHUMER & HAKEEM JEFFRIES Dynamic duo of incompetence extraordinaire!

"HAKEEM! get the paper! I'll get the pen and meet me in the cafeteria for another 'strongly worded letter' writing session!"

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goferking (he/him) lemmy.sdf.org goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org
Joined: 2023-08-03
#75 · Quote Reply

I'm shocked! SHOCKED I tell you! I am. Sincerely, I'm shocked. This is quite the surprise.

It's not the 6-3 ruling I expected at all. Was fully thinking would be 6-3 that it was okay for him to do it not saying he can't

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sobchak programming.dev sobchak@programming.dev
Joined: 2025-06-28
#76 · Quote Reply

At his White House news conference, Trump announced alternative options, including an immediate 10% global tariff.

Lol, the US is a clown show.

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Guy Ingonito reddthat.com kandoh@reddthat.com
Joined: 2023-08-17
#77 · Quote Reply

It's not the 6-3 ruling I expected at all. Was fully thinking would be 6-3 that it was okay for him to do it not saying he can't

Understand that this is SCOTUS believing they're helping Trump by removing the unpopular tariffs while handing out huge amounts of cash in an election year

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FreddiesLantern leminal.space FreddiesLantern@leminal.space
Joined: 2025-09-19
#78 · Quote Reply

"HAKEEM! get the paper! I'll get the pen and meet me in the cafeteria for another 'strongly worded letter' writing session!"

At this point Chucks glasses were so far down his nose Hakeem knew it was about time the Baileys were about to show up in person.

Would they be as concerned as Chumer? Find out this and more in the next thrilling episode.

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merc sh.itjust.works merc@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-09
#79 · Quote Reply

Too little too late supreme court. There's no one left to enforce the decision.

It's not really a matter of timing. If this ruling had come out a year ago, it's not like there were enforcers ready to go. As soon as Trump took over he made sure that nothing in the executive branch was going to stand in his way. And his toadies in the legislative branch have been rolling over for him since the inauguration.

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merc sh.itjust.works merc@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-09
#80 · Quote Reply

He absolutely does not have the numbers to get this through congress. Across the aisle repubs and dems are mostly pro-business, pro-trade, and these tariffs don't make an ounce of sense to any of them. Some GOP goons would vote for it just to make Trump happy, but way too many would rather protect their wealthy donors than protect the President. There's not a lot of political future in making t...

Across the aisle repubs and dems are mostly pro-business, pro-trade

Well, plenty of the MAGA republicans are pro-tectionist more than they are pro-trade. If he'd tried to pass new tariffs on day 1 of his administration there's a chance that they might have had enough votes to do it. But, that was the slow way that required negotiating and compromise.

Now that people have seen just how awful the tariffs are, I think a lot of the MAGA republicans wouldn't pass the legislation. They could have claimed ignorance before the tariffs passed, but now it's hard for them to argue with a straight face that they'll be good for America.

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merc sh.itjust.works merc@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-09
#81 · Quote Reply

It's not all the tariffs, just the ones he justified using the 1977 Emergency Act. So of course, now he'll use another justification, and it'll take SC(R)OTUS another year to rule on those.

That's all of them, isn't it? For all other tariffs he would have had to use the legislative branch, which he didn't.

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Gates9 sh.itjust.works Gates9@sh.itjust.works
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#82 · Quote Reply

“They have made their ruling, now let us see them enforce it.”

Now several companies will sue my government for damages.

yaaaaay

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Gammelfisch lemmy.world Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
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#83 · Quote Reply

Good, but prices continue to rise every time the orange dumbfuck yaps about tariffs.

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Eldritch piefed.world Eldritch@piefed.world
Joined: 2025-07-08
#84 · Quote Reply

It's not really a matter of timing. If this ruling had come out a year ago, it's not like there were enforcers ready to go. As soon as Trump took over he made sure that nothing in the executive branch was going to stand in his way. And his toadies in the legislative branch have been rolling over for him since the inauguration.

Certainly. But the DOJ and every other agency has been completely hollowed of anyone that could have even tried.

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DetectiveNo64 lemmy.ca DetectiveNo64@lemmy.ca
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#85 · Quote Reply

It's not the 6-3 ruling I expected at all. Was fully thinking would be 6-3 that it was okay for him to do it not saying he can't

Same here, they enable everything else he's done.

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Doomsider lemmy.world Doomsider@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-01
#86 · Quote Reply

The Supreme Court sided with business over the US government. No surprise there. According to the law this whole action was illegal. I am surprised it was not unanimous and had three dissenters.

Where in the fuck do companies get off thinking the tariffs, paid by consumer, is going to be refunded to them!?

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NotMyOldRedditName lemmy.world NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-08-24
#87 · (edited) Quote Reply

Another illegal {insert thing here}? Oh, wow, is it time to arrest and charge? Or, will you do nothing just like the 7456 times the fat cunt broke your laws in the last year and you did fuck all?

I'm not sure something like this would ever have resulted in an arrest? Even in other countries?

An impeachment and conviction and removal from office though should be in the cards, but obviously won't be.

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AA5B lemmy.world AA5B@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
#88 · Quote Reply

Companies that made the payments already sold their rights to this refunds to investment funds for cents on the dollar. Now the funds will make shitload of money. And guess who invested in all of it? Yes, people connected to Trump! https://www.wired.com/story/cantor-fitzgerald-trump-tariff-refunds/ They straight out robbed everyone.

Anyone else would avoid a conflict of interest. They just looke to monetize it

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ZombiFrancis sh.itjust.works ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-24
#89 · Quote Reply

It's not the 6-3 ruling I expected at all. Was fully thinking would be 6-3 that it was okay for him to do it not saying he can't

I mean it's such an incredibly unambiguous 9-0 on a legal basis and he still got three nonetheless.

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Lucidlethargy sh.itjust.works Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-28
#90 · Quote Reply

So they are going to pay it back right?……….Right?

Pay who back? All the citizens this administration fleeced?

If corporations are paid back they aren't going to give refunds to all of their costumers they directly forwarded these costs to.

We all got fucked. Trump fucked us, as well as his own supporters.

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Lucidlethargy sh.itjust.works Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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#91 · (edited) Quote Reply

Wealth transfer from labor to the ownership class.

Yup. This is exactly what these tariffs did.

This was the highest tax increase on the American people in decades. And MAGA idiots cheered the entire time they lost money. Fuck all of them.

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Suavevillain lemmy.world Suavevillain@lemmy.world
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#92 · Quote Reply

What is he going to do with all the imaginary revenue from the tariffs now lol?

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sp3ctr4l lemmy.dbzer0.com sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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#93 · (edited) Quote Reply

So they are going to pay it back right?……….Right?

So...

... yeah...

According to the Fed, as of early-mid Jan 2026, you're looking at $287 billion dollars of total Trump tariff revenue.

https://www.richmondfed.org/research/national_economy/macro_minute/2026/how_much_revenue_raised_by_tariffs_so_far

Also, over the last year, into this one, the Treasury has been massively expanding its General Account, which is functionally the checking account of the Federal Government.

Its around $900 billion right now.

Normally its more like several hundred billion, 200 b, 300 b.

Why is it so large right now?

Well, because the Treasury (Bessent) has decided to just massively shift as much of the Gov's debt refinancing as possible, over to... short term debt issuance, like, 1 Year T bills and even shorter duration notes.

Like uh, just a few days ago, the Gov issued (refinanced) around $212 billion of debt.

So yeah, we had a one day debt rollover that... rivals the entire size of the Treasury General Account basically pre-covid.

Every 5 days (business week), the US Gov is refinancing roughly $600 billion of debt.

... what I am trying to say is that even if the treasury were to somehow pay back around $300 billion of illegal tariff revenue...

Well, that would take a while.

Because the Treasury doesn't have the margin to do that.

... It could very well be the case that Fed would have to print money, to buy the T Bills, so the money in the TGA... could repay the ... tariffs.

That latest $212 billion rollover ?

The Fed had to print, poof into existence, $8 billion of it. And thats without the Fed Gov trying to add another $300 billion into... some... kind of... payment plan?

I don't know man, I'm an econometrician by training, but... to my knowledge nothing comparable to this has ever happened before.

This is not looking so good.

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Llamatron lemmy.world llamatron@lemmy.world
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#94 · (edited) Quote Reply

As if that'll stop the orange nonce.

While him and his enablers suffer no consequences then he is defacto above the law

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johncandy1812 lemmy.ca johncandy1812@lemmy.ca
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#95 · Quote Reply

Womp womp

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LoafedBurrito lemmy.world LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world
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#96 · Quote Reply

He ignored the court ruling, keeps all the tariffs in place AND he raises them 10% just because the supreme court made him angry.

Think about how batshit crazy that is.

Also, funny some of you think they will refund the money. That won't happen because they will refuse to do it. Very simple for the EPSTIEN administration to just refuse legal orders. He's immune by the same supreme court.

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laranis lemmy.zip laranis@lemmy.zip
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#97 · Quote Reply

It doesn't matter. Remember all those times when Trump & Co set a tariff percentage, then lowered it a few weeks later? I wonder why? Maybe somebody made a "donation" to his bitcoin account. He got what he wanted.

Art of the Deal (TM)

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Qwaffle_waffle sh.itjust.works Qwaffle_waffle@sh.itjust.works
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#98 · Quote Reply

He came back with another one.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/02/20/us/trump-tariffs-supreme-court

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Redacted piefed.ca Redacted@piefed.ca
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#99 · (edited) Quote Reply

So let me get this straight, the companies that raised their prices based on Trump's tariffs get to apply for a refund with no requirement to lower prices and pass that refund on to the consumers who actually had to pony up the money at the 'cash register' every day. Once again, corporations get an undeserved bailout while the American consumer gets shafted. Typical.

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goferking (he/him) lemmy.sdf.org goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org
Joined: 2023-08-03
#100 · Quote Reply

I mean it's such an incredibly unambiguous 9-0 on a legal basis and he still got three nonetheless.

It's not like this court is known for actually following legal basis or the constitution so 3 against not at all surprise

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timbuck2themoon sh.itjust.works timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works
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#101 · Quote Reply

This seems like a job for drumroll+horns CHUCK SHUMER & HAKEEM JEFFRIES Dynamic duo of incompetence extraordinaire!

At this point I'd prefer if people stopped ignoring the entire reason all this shit is going on- every single last Republican.

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