This is really hard to gauge for China specifically, because there’s as you noted no electorally elected officials.

As I noted? Not only did I not say this it's not true? China has elections...

Why should they?

哈哈哈哈哈哈美国人。。。；-；

I had one .ml mod delete a comment of mine because I listed events that disagreed with them minimizing the horrors of 1986 republicans. They stated your average '86 republican was further left than 2026 average dem. So I blocked that mod and that channel.

So I guess .ml are apologists for the '86 gop now?

There's difference between pride in ones nationality, and defending an explicitly anti lgtbq and pro Imperialist fascist government

You do realize admins "on the left" are doing the exact same thing, methodically deleting posts with facts they don't like? For example /u/little_cow@lemmy.world, which looks like some alt account used specifically to delete comments. Are you going to defederate lemmy.world as well?

blocking an entire instance

Don't worry, I already have lol.

Haven't seen a single .ml post in months, I no longer need to see posts arguing:

• the Uyghur's aren't being genocided

• uncle Kim's totally communist state do not punish entire families for an individuals crimes

• Hamas are misunderstood freedom fighters.

Do you think Russia is in a right to invade Ukraine?

No. No more than I "supported" Al Qaida and 9/11 by opposing going to war.

It’s miles apart to be against an aggressive occupational force with no clear goals, and not support a country’s right to defend itself.

I don't believe countries have an inherent right to defend themselves, and if I did then I would say that the DPR had the same right.

Somehow, the extreme anti-war stance of not supporting even "defensive" wars makes me a bloodthirsty warmonger, a "tankie," while you're the one arguing that we didn't build and deploy enough tanks. Exactly as I described: "war is peace."

Racism: The only bad thing a human can do.

We know, you're an .ml user

Let's normalize shaming and shunning individuals, like geneva_convenience in this example, over ridiculing an entire community.

Communities are not monolithic.

Images barely working, ascii art, threaded structure, federation...

close enough, welcome back usenet.

So when they see "death to the USA", and they are... you know, in the USA, they often nope right out

I say death to america all the time and I live here

There's a line.

My reply makes plenty of sense if you know how to read. I didn't call .ml liberal. Quite the opposite actually.

It's basically a rite of passage for a new lemmy user to get banned from half of .ml for a completely mundane comment they made.

same. Honestly if I didn't live in the US I would probably be less anti-american. Living here is very radicalizing.

The problem is that it’s the developers’ instance and they promote it as a default general use instance and not a explicit political ideological instance so it has a significant portion of people just trying to join the network.

I would recommend someone looking to join the threadiverse to use piefed over Lemmy for that reason (of course piefed has its own problematic “features” with regards to default mute lists and transparency)

Why is it a problem? Literally every single major social media platform has an ideological slant. Twitter (X) is the nazi one, reddit is the like omega liberal vote blue no matter who one, facebook is mindless reaction, etc. If lemmy.world was considered the "default" instance I could say the same thing about it being different than my own political beliefs.

I think the problem is that people can't handle seeing places they aren't welcome anymore. Marxist-Leninists are allowed to have their own spaces, and do not have to cater to other peoples views. There is ALWAYS going to be a dominant ideology and a set of rules on each instance. You don't agree with the ones lemmy.ml has. That's okay.

Algorithmic social media silos people into their little boxes where they only see what they want to see. People are so used to that now that imo they've forgotten how to handle being faced with a place/group of people who just fundamentally disagree with them, and are not open to hearing what they have to say. Yet that is just reality. People need to learn to deal the fact those places and those people exist.

I don't believe countries have an inherent right to defend themselves, and if I did then I would say that the DPR had the same right.

It's not the Donbas war I'm questioning, there's a reasoning chain that's understandable. Both geopolitically, strategically and culturally.

It's the full scale invasion of 2022 I'm questioning. There's no chain of thought leading to that invasion, other than greed and lust for blood by Putin and his inner circles. The nationalists were not in power by the time they began their invasion. They had already gained control of the region, Donbas, that wanted to be Russian.

There's just no way to argue the full scale invasion should ever have started.

Somehow, the extreme anti-war stance of not supporting even "defensive" wars makes me a bloodthirsty warmonger

Your endgame argument is national states shouldn't exist, but today they do. As long as they do exist, national governments should be able to defend against other nations attempt to gain control over them. Because if we do assume, at one point we get a global government and abolish the national states. Then it's whoever carries the most power (that's war machines), that'll be able to decide the values of such a government. And by extend shape the culture that'll impact everyone.

Oh no, what have you done with the twelfth gandalf?!

It’s not the Donbas war I’m questioning, there’s a reasoning chain that’s understandable. Both geopolitically, strategically and culturally.

It’s the full scale invasion of 2022 I’m questioning. There’s no chain of thought leading to that invasion, other than greed and lust for blood by Putin and his inner circles.

What are you talking about? The DPR requested Russian military assistance. If the DPR was legitimate and had the right to defend itself, then Russia sending troops in at their request was legitimate.

As long as they do exist, national governments should be able to defend against other nations attempt to gain control over them.

Disagree.

Because if we do assume, at one point we get a global government and abolish the national states. Then it’s whoever carries the most power (that’s war machines), that’ll be able to decide the values of such a government. And by extend shape the culture that’ll impact everyone.

So we have to feed the largest war machine on the planet because otherwise the war machines win?

Yeah, no. It's not a fight over having war machines or not, it's a fight over which war machine gets fed certain minerals. I have no real stake in that.

What are you talking about? The DPR requested Russian military assistance. If the DPR was legitimate and had the right to defend itself, then Russia sending troops in at their request was legitimate.

That has nothing to do with the full scale war. They're two different conflicts.

You guys are still federated with those reactionaries??

That's complete and total nonsense.

That's not how war works and not how it has ever worked or will ever work. If a war is justified, then it is justified to not only repel the enemy troops from your borders, but to counterattack within their borders in order to reduce their ability to continue fighting. That does not make it "a different conflict" when you do.

I can't believe people are still dragging out the same absurd talking points that social democrats used a century ago when justifing throwing bodies into the meat grinder of WWI. "We are only fighting against defeat" they said. As if, in their minds, once the German lines were broken, the Allied forces were going to just stop at the border! It's completely and utterly delusional. Or rather, it is bad faith, because they knew, and you and I know, that's not how anything works.

Thanks. I still have no idea what I'm looking at though. A left-right scale of some kind - is it just randomly drawn lines in the classic political compass?

Just use piefed

Tankies: we're leftists!

Also tankies: Reagan wasn't that bad

Tankeis are not leftists.

It is labeled “stethoscope theory” and the image is just regular horseshoe theory, but with “far left” replaced by Tankies and moved to its own special branch that continues off to the left instead of circling back around.

Can't see my upvotes and downvotes on alexandrite and voyager with piefed

IDK, same reason some people have pride in sportsball teams?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granfalloon

I run a piefed instance, it's great!

I can move posts from one community to another!

Y'all really need to come to terms with the fact that tankies are just conservatives larping.

Marxists are explicitly not nationalists specifically because once you incorporate that it becomes basically indistinguishable from fascism.

i evolved

No way to migrate from Lemmy to piefed right? If I replace my instance I lose all my posts and history?

Obviously.

Replicate absolute power among admins and their moderators and expect abuses of power. This is inherent to the design of Reddit, and since Lemmy copied much from Reddit this aspect of its design has been replicated here.

I never paid attention to the word until I came to Kbin and subsequently Lemmy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie says:

Tankie originated in the UK as a term for hardline members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who continued to pledge support for the Soviet Union even when doubts had begun to emerge elsewhere in the party.

... Politically speaking, tankies regard past and current socialist systems as legitimate attempts at creating communism, and thus have not distanced themselves from Stalin, China, etc.

Practically speaking, tankies are pro-fascist and pro-genocide, plus individual (literal) murders, so long as it is done by their favored in-groups (e.g. Russian aggression vs. Ukraine portrayed instead as poor whittle russia forced to defend itself, whoopsie), and opposed to anything (even outright socialism) when done by their opposed out-groups - chiefly Western Civilization.

So their cries of "Death to the USA" are meant literally, and also inclusive of other NATO states.

Source: go visit Lemmy.ml, which unlike most other instances by default without being logged in shows only Local rather than Global content, and see for yourself, it should only take a couple of minutes to find such evidence. Or possibly better yet lemmygrad.ml, except that most instances actually defederate from that one whereas almost none defederate from Lemmy.ml.

Funny, I just had a thread going about the same thing happening in the "LateStageCapitalism" instance......

u/godlesscommie, where are you? Gonna come onto this thread to bitch and moan as well?

And the same argumentation tactics - sea lioning, didoing, whataboutism, deflection, personal attacks rather than vs. the subject material, etc.