This literally just happened to me in the memes instance of .ml

I'm just a user here but three days ago I was banned from some community without any explanation. Some moderator accused me of being a rapist because of one comment that they deleted and no one could read. After some comments trying to find out what was happening, I was banned. I didn't see before, but in that community, in the blahaj something instance, they warn something like 'no tankies'. I'm in lemmy.ml, and I guess that makes me a tankie.

These instance wars are bullshit.

In practice, software is simply software, and it matters far more who your instance admins are than which software platform you use. All the more so if you use something like Voyager that replaces the front-end UI component.

And I didn't get into it above, but Lemmy is quite opinionated as well. For instance, when you choose the option to so-called "block" an instance, what that does for you is:

1. hide post content offered to communities located on that instance

However what that so-called "block" does not do for you includes:

1. hide post content offered by users of that instance to communities on other instances
2. hide comments from those users in other communities
3. prevent such "blocked" users from sending you DMs
4. which are even allowed to trigger notifications

Thus this so-called "block" of an instance is nothing at all like a block, and acts more as a community muting.

Also, when a mod removes content it makes it disappear as if the page never existed, giving a 404 not found error afterwards (Reddit leaves the page active to anyone with the URL, even allowing conversations that were already started to continue).

Users are never notified of the event - leaving people to find out literally years later that they were banned from something, or that their content was removed, when in all that time they were not aware (Reddit sends notifications).

There is no modmail for users to contact the mods to ask for clarification - instead, Lemmy forces people to individually ask each of the mods why, e.g. via DM (Reddit has a modmail).

Even when someone goes looking in the modlog to find out why their content was removed, it often says that it was done simply by a "mod".

Instance admins have supreme rights, community mods have a bit less so, but end-users have next to none at all. Even Reddit offers more rights to end-users than Lemmy does!!!! Authoritarian practices are baked right into the Lemmy codebase.

Thank you! That at least gave me enough context to find this image (let's see if it works)

PieFed offers a migration ability - @rimu@piefed.social would you like to explain more, particularly how it would work for an instance admin?

Geneva convenience says I'm a "zio" because I say HAMAs commits war crimes.

Dude, they take pride in it. You can watch it... more videos than you could ever watch all of

(Yes, Israel commits war crimes and breaks the Geneva convention, too).

In my experience it's not an explicit political ideological instance. I'm there all the time and never get called anything because I think this or that, except when I'm outside of ML, where I get "tankie" a lot.

Voyager offers only beta, rudimentary support for instances running PieFed, and therefore PyLova as well. In general, third-party app support for PieFed is rather poor imho - see https://piefed.social/community/fediverse/wiki/piefed-app.

So you went into a community, you made a bunch of posts that are literally against the rules of the community and frankly the tone of the posts are antithetical to the point of the community. It's called late stage capitalism. What did you think they thought?

This is straight up troll Behavior. I would have banned you too.

well, lemmy.ml has a significant userbase acting as "tankies", and in turn other instances are overly suspicious of anyone from ml, but I can't blame them for that. the "tankies" they speak about just make new accounts when they find out people started blocking them. It's such a shame that new users mostly end up on ml. the devs are enjoying that they can use it to spread their politics, and make controversy in the fediverse.

Anything's possible when you make shit up

Telling on yourself loudly

Let's normalize shaming and shunning individuals, like geneva_convenience in this example, over ridiculing an entire community.

and they will just nake a new account when they realize people are blocking them.

Communities are not monolithic.

Communities have moderation policies, and they have the power to discourage such behavior. if a community does not act against it, they are accepting it.

Yes, if you personally choose to define a term differently from how it is actually defined, then you can do that.

Kinda pointless having a conversation with someone who means down when they say up tho.

Did you randomly join Lemmy.ml without knowing what it was? If so, that sucks. If you’re not too attached to your account, you could just create a new one on Lemmy.today or something and be rid of the ml baggage.

Everyone with a working brain has an agenda

"banning me for being a troll is abuse" lol

I mean these people are incredibly stupid but I probably also would've given a temp ban (but I also probably would've banned the people saying "both sides!!!"). That community is there to moan about capitalism's failings, and your posts didn't really fit there. It's like going into a support group for women and saying men also have these problems, even if you're right these people feel like they've been failed by the system so you have to take a softer tone.

Your claims have been debunked to shit and back

A bunch of posts? I wrote a conversation provoking comment that was upvoted far more than downvoted, and spurred other comments.

it was removed because the mod has an anti-democratic agenda that they can't defend. Instead they just remove comments and ban people. It's shitty behavior by a shitty mod, and deserves to be called out. I've seen 2 other threads talking about this exact behavior.

They're right, cry about it

Being banned by those shit-heels is a badge of honor and intelligence. Congrats!

His reasoning for deleting my comment was "democrats are fascists."

During a literal republican fascist regime.

There isn't a tone soft enough to deal with lunacy.

Yep I don't immediately assume someone from ml is a tankie, but it's going to make me more wary that even normal stuff they say is just being a mask on tankie.

Problem is it takes infinity research to call out some of this stuff, and they can usually weasel into some stupid word games, like "tankie just means communist!"

The mods do whatever they want, many break their own posted rules with regularity.

In my experience, in Lemmy they are more apt to delete a comment then ban, so that is nice.

There's no logic to it. I've said "The nation ___________ says this, their motto is ___________ .... (and then repeat their own slogan from their own officials)."

Delete. 100% true, easily verifiable everywhere, public information pertaining to the discussion, deleted.

So, if you're censored or banned, that just means that you're a thinking person with reasonable opinions who bases your conclusions on the factual information available to you.

It's a good thing. Thank God.

If they agree with you, please get help immediately. Time is short.

Because that's what they want you to do. They gish gallop and you end up having to rebut all the point to tire you out. My experience over the years with extremists on all sides is to call out their bad faith tactics and cut the chase. For example, with the Uyghur issue, tankies always claim that the accusation of genocide only came from one complainant and the West supoosedly chose to blow it out of proportions. But that talking point easily falls apart because it's not just one, but hundreds and thousands of complaints. Most people would rather get on with their lives than waste time with making false accusations. There are far too many to ignore and where there is smoke there is fire.

I've blocked all .lm instances and even now piefed. The creator or piefed bans anyone who criticizes his dumb ass decisions. Well that's fine, there a reason the entirety of piefed as a software has been decreasing population.

Also there are occasional mods that just love to jerk themselves. The dumb taco truck mod on the Star Trek instance will ban you if you say you don't like new Star Trek, but that dumbass just moderates two mostly dead communities, so it's okay

Yeah, but inertia. And you want me to join an instance with a slight blue tinge? Are you mad? I'll just stay where I'm at and sort by all communities.

See, you were a lot more concise.

Thought-provoking comment, my goodness. Isn't there a cookie you're supposed to be beating off onto somewhere.

Your comments were directly and obviously against the rules of the community. You went there to troll. I don't know why you're lying about it.

I mean when I joined .world I didn't know it was going to be a neoliberal smorgasbord. I just stick around due to laziness mostly.

It is so blatantly obvious. Worse than the_donald was on reddit. Pure Chinese and Russia propaganda. Overtly negative on anything from the west and won't allow anything negative about Russia, China, etc.

It's pro-authoritarian. That means this control is not really a contradiction. They say they're leftist, but I think it'd be hard to actually justify that based on the groups they support. Russia isn't leftist. The USSR may have been, but it's long gone. Russia is anti-LGBT+ and doesn't protect workers. It's an oligarchy.

There are only two consistent things they follow. They're pro-authoritarian and anti-west.

They are not really leftist. They call themselves that, but they support the authoritarian oligarchy of Russia. That's not what a leftist would do. They are anti-western and pro-authoritarian, and that's about it.

Unfortunately I just can't migrate until it's solved. Why don't they just keep compatibility with Lemmy for these API's?

That's what I did at first, I just joined ml without understanding much about instances. To be honest, at first I thought it was a pretty chill instance, people were pretty nice in the local subs. But at some point I started to get banned without explanation from different community, where I was just giving different opinion and disagreeing with some people, nothing extreme and no insults. Then one day, boom, just no account at all.
Since then I've seen quite a few disturbing things from that instance. Nothing to the level of the insufferable Hexbear, but yeah, I'm guessing there are quite a few users that just went with ml because it's one of the first instance that shows up when you search for Lemmy.

They should defederate. They are treating everyone in ML like shit. And why would I change to an instance that treats people like shit, anyway? Isn't that the problem in the first place? What I do is just strip apart the instance part in usernames and treat everyone as equals, fuck, I must be a commie. BTW, my account is 6 yo, you know, when lemmy.ml was basically the only instance with some certainty around.

You don't have to change your instance but you willingly live in a shit hole and we will treat you like you live in a shit hole. You are free to move at any time. It would cost you nothing. There is no sacredivity to having an older account, I've been through to others because my original two instances have since closed. There is no karma. There is no score. There is only here and now.

Let me tell you. It's not about my account, it's exactly this: as soon as they don't agree with others, users like you start treating others like shit. Why would I want to go to an instance to share my time with people like you? Lol, no, thank you. You are now in my blocked users list.

I found a couple more

When I first got on here I waded into a thread praising north korea and got so many downvotes for not knowing how awesome the Kim regime is. Fucking tankies man

I have no idea - you could ask for its status in the PieFed Meta community.

Stay salty, libs

No you see, they simultaneously know that their own media and government cannot be trusted at all, yet everything they say about China and Russia is 100% true!!!

I was banned from .world politics for saying Joe Biden accelerated the genocide in Gaza. They specifically banned me until after the election.

Start irrelevant, tankies

We do need migration though.

And btw you start by saying "software is software" and then go on giving examples why it's is not that simple.

Write much?