Yea Russia is really rooting out those Nazis in Ukraine lol,

I know liberals struggle with this concept, but saying true things sarcastically actually does not make them less true

It seems you’ve done more research than me, and have more incentive to, having lived in China, so you tell me.

It’s doubtless that China has spy networks, as all countries do, and if some or all of these “police station” locations have connections to them, that wouldn’t surprise me. But “secret police station” implies that China is extraordinarily renditioning people or locking them up in secret prisons in Toronto, New York, Amsterdam, etc. Even if they are part of a spy network, they’re still not “police stations.”

and the epstien files have shown us how little americans care about anything besides themselves.

Im gonna say it, I'm sick and tired of hearing people talk about "evil Chinese authoritarian social credit system" when its inherently a good system that works. In the west when a corporation commits mass fraud and abuse they pay a minimal fine (sometimes they don't even pay) and then they literally just get away with it. Chinas social credit system on the other hand actually holds businesses accountable.

Have fun with the interest rate you'll get. You'll inherently be a higher risk than someone with a good credit score.

I'm willing to say I'm not happy with either system. Corporations should pay and be held accountable but citizens should have a right to privacy and not have the sum of their actions turned into a number.

There is no social credit system

citizens should have a right to privacy and not have the sum of their actions turned into a number.

That “number” isn’t real. China does not have a single nationwide “social credit score” that rates every citizen.

What actually exists is a set of legal blacklists, the most famous being the court judgment defaulter list (失信被执行人). It applies to people who refuse to comply with a court decision, usually things like unpaid debts.

If you ignore a court order, the court can place you under a high-consumption restriction (限制高消费). That means you can’t spend money on certain luxury services (first-class train tickets, flights, five-star hotels, or other high-end purchases) until you comply with the judgment.

You can still travel normally, stay in regular hotels, work, shop, and live your life. The restriction is specifically designed to stop people who refuse to obey court rulings from enjoying luxury spending while ignoring their legal obligations.

The popular idea in the west that everyone in China has a constantly changing personal “score” based on everyday behavior is simply western fantasy.

Reminds me of the anime PsychoPass.

You're conflating Marxist methodology with liberal moralism. Marxists do not offer abstract "pro/anti" judgments based on a regime's ideology, but analyze states through their structural position in the global system. Contemporary Russia is indeed an oligarchic capitalist state, but its integration into global capitalism is asymmetric and subordinate. Its economy remains heavily dependent on raw material exports rather than high-value capital export, and it lacks the core instruments of modern imperialism: dominance over global financial institutions, reserve currency status, and the ability to enforce structural adjustment. Unlike the U.S., Russia cannot print the world's reserve currency to finance overseas expansion or weaponize SWIFT-level financial infrastructure against rivals.

This material reality limits Russia's capacity for classic imperialist expansion as Lenin defined it, namely, the dominance of finance capital and the export of capital as the primary mechanism of exploitation. Russia's capital accumulation model, centered on resource rents and regional security projection, does not replicate this. It lacks the deep financial markets, technological monopoly rents, and institutional leverage that allow core imperial powers to extract surplus globally through "peaceful"(generally far from peaceful in reality) and economic means. Its military actions, therefore, function more as defensive geopolitics or regional balancing than as instruments of systematic capital expansion.

Precisely because Russia cannot compete with entrenched imperial powers on their terms, its rational strategy is to undermine unipolarity. Supporting multipolar institutions like BRICS and the SCO, opposing NATO expansion, and backing states resisting U.S. pressure are not expressions of socialist solidarity, but materially rational moves for a subordinate capitalist power seeking strategic autonomy. The objective effect (fragmenting U.S. hegemonic control) creates space for anti-imperialist struggles globally, regardless of Putin's subjective intentions.

Our support is therefore entirely critical and conditional. We recognize that Russia's structural position leads it, out of self-interest, to back anti-imperialist struggles, and we support those objective anti-hegemonic actions because they weaken the primary engine of global imperialist exploitation. Simultaneously, we oppose its internal reactionary politics, oligarchic structure, and any chauvinist or expansionist tactics that harm working-class solidarity. This is not a logical contradiction, it is dialectical materialism: judging policies by their concrete role in the global class struggle, not by the ideological labels of leaders. Reducing this analysis to "pro-Putin" ignores Marxism's core method: follow the motion of material forces, not the slogans of statesmen.

They have a system largely for penalizing corporations and businesses that are caught skirting regulations

The core mechanism is the court “judgment defaulter” blacklist (失信被执行人) and related high-consumption restrictions (限制高消费), which are imposed when someone refuses to comply with a legally effective court judgment, such as paying a debt or damages ordered by the court. The penalty mainly restricts luxury or non-essential spending (flights, first-class train seats, luxury hotels, tourism, etc.) until the judgment is fulfilled. In law it applies to any individual or company, and if a company is the debtor the restrictions can extend to its legal representative or responsible managers on top of any accounts registered to the company. In practice 99.99% of cases involve businesses because most court enforcement actions arise from commercial disputes (contracts, loans, wages, suppliers, etc.), so the mechanism ends up being an enforcement mechanism against business owners and managers to push them to settle judgments properly, but legally it’s just a court enforcement tool against anyone who refuses to comply with a court ruling.

Not an American or a liberal, and yes, china is authoritarian. Is america better? No. The credit score system in the US is also bad.

Exactly my thoughts. People just mass downvote into oblivion, no reasoning provided.

Authoritarian is a meaningless pejorative.

The social credit score isn't real.

You can be against US and Chinese fascism simultaneously.

"fake" Uyghur genocide, wow.

Chinese fascism

Just say you don't know what you're talking about.

It is? Their is no evidence. It's a fabrication invented by a German evangelical on a self proclaimed "mission from god" to destroy communism.

The meme is pointing out hypocrisy among those in America. Its common to hear them mock China for having a social credit score system, while apparently not realizing they have exactly that with credit monitoring companies.

This is all made more ridiculous by the fact that there is no social credit score in China as Americans understand it.

The joke is that Americans brag and call everyone else barbarians, when they themselves are the barbarians. Its pure projection to inflate the massive American ego.

How do you make businesses (i.e. the corporations) unable to access luxury? Sounds like an individual-level policy being applied to the organization.

1- Provided with reasoning/analogy
2- "Projection".

Smh.

I wouldn't make said accusations—and I'm not a liberal— but Russia is involved in genocide.

Russia rooting out nazis. Fighting the empire? Wild.

Putin IS a nazi. Russia IS an imperialist regime. Are we not going to talk about Russia's imperialist attacks? Is that all chill? The attacks on Ukraine are equivalent to genocide historically.

Simply because Russia is anti-US, doesn't make it free of guilt for much of the same actions the US takes.

It's applied to bank accounts. If you owe a debt ordered by the court (99.99% businesses) you can't use your business accounts to buy luxuries, it is often also applied to the individual owner/management of the company as well so they can neither use personal or business accounts to live a life of luxury while owing debts to people.

You should stop trivialising the word genocide.

Trivializing? They have literal concentration camps for Uyghurs. You know, the things used for the Jewish genocide/holocaust by Hitler.

Stop defending china and call it out for its unethical actions.

No, it isnt. We have geographic evidence as well as countless testimonies of the Uyghur people.

For some reason when it comes to China/Uyghur muslims, people have no issue dismissing their genocide and thinking it's okay.

Nice argument.

There are no concentration camps? There were prisons where terrorists were rehabilitated and vocational schools. Neither of these are concentration camps. When was the last time you were in Xinjiang? Uyghur is widely spoken and all signs are in Uyghur and Chinese. There were some abuses during the crackdown on ETIM and that was bad but that has already been corrected and abuses are not genocide you should stop trivialising the word genocide.

You didn't make one you just stated something wildly incorrect so why should I take the time to give you a well thought out response trying to explain how truly idiotic is?

Re: authoritarianism— your opinion.

Some of us aren't in favour of oppressive regimes that aren't transparent, surveil, and censor.

I was in Urumqi recently enough and I can tell you this they are some of the most pro government people I have ever talked with lmao they love that ETIM was kicked out.

You have gusano testimony from the likes of Rushan Abbas (Guantanamo bay torturer) It's not real.

Also tell me about this geographic evidence? Pictures of prisons that you decided are camps because we're evil scary Chinese people?

Uyghur being widely spoken/“in Chinese”

Not what I said.

You have to be a troll.

I did make one, that you can oppose two things at the same time.

I could explain, but wait, you already said that authoritarianism was meaningless to you. If it doesn't matter to you, well, seems pointless to try to convince that it is actually fascist.

I am a Chinese minority living in China. You really don't know what you're talking about when it comes to China. You very clearly have done 0 research beyond maybe reading RFA. You should be quiet until you have done some proper research.

I never said "you're evil scary Chinese people". The Chinese state however, is another story (authoritarian— but I know you're apathetic towards authoritarianism). I realize now that this may be evoking some sort of nationalistic reaction out of you, though.

I didn't "decide"— like I said, independent journalists and satellite imaging. And no, it's not reducible to "Western evil scary propaganda" like you're making it out to be.

Great, so when you can't engage with the argument, the other person's a troll. Nice.

You have to be a troll.

You can appose 2 things

Sure not what I took issue with. I took issue with you calling China fascist which is just an untrue statement.

Authoritarian is a pejorative. All countries and states in class society are "authoritarian" by necessity. Fascism is a specific thing arising from the tendency for the rate of profit to decline in capitalist society.

Ad hominem, ad hominem, and mmm, ad hominem. Yeah, nothing to see here.

You're a troll because you're pushing a widely discredited narrative about Uyghur genocide and ridiculous bullshit about China being fascist.

We call that an ad hominem, sire.

I'm literally a communist lol.

Not an adhominem. You're not wrong because you're stupid you just happen to be both wrong and stupid.

You can keep insisting I'm a troll if it helps you deal with not being able to engage with arguments.

China is authoritarian, but authoritarianism doesn't matter to you, so that shouldn't matter to you. Consistency, please.

And no, countries aren't "authoritarian" by necessity. Even if some amount of policies etc that would be considered such exist everywhere, you have countries that are freer and countries that have more political suppression, censorship of media outlets, etc etc.

China does censor it's media—political and entertainment— heavily. Just one small example.

The Chinese state that has 95+% support from the population and is made up of a representative of Chinese people.

White people decided we're evil and you just go along with it without any investigation because you're racist and it confirms your biases

Calling it discredited and calling it bullshit doesn't prove anything you've said.

Keep insisting I'm a troll if it helps you.