Yea, standing against authoritarian propaganda is just a "bug up my craw" lmao

Admins of .ml promote and enforce authoritarianism here's a megathread on them

You'll get banned for showing support for Ukraine or going against Russian narratives or if you remind them of Putlers promise to not invade or just shit talking Putler in general

Or calling out propaganda sites - https://lemmy.world/post/32776038 | https://lemmy.world/post/33416433 | https://lemmy.world/post/34051329 | https://lemmy.world/post/35919522

Or so much more, I actually haven't updated the megathread in a few months, but there's more recent stuff on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

.ml admins are Tankies, they're authoritarian communists

As defined

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.

Here's a megathread on them

You'll get banned for showing support for Ukraine or going against Russian narratives or if you remind them of Putlers promise to not invade or just shit talking Putler in general

Or calling out propaganda sites - https://lemmy.world/post/32776038 | https://lemmy.world/post/33416433 | https://lemmy.world/post/34051329 | https://lemmy.world/post/35919522

Or so much more, I actually haven't updated the megathread in a few months, but there's more recent stuff on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

I know nothing about any of this. I’m on PieFed/feddit.online. I don’t even know if there’s bad stuff here or they’re blocking content/instances. I like the fediverse but sometime I feel lost and confused when I see posts like this. What am I missing here?

Dude, same. This isn’t the fourth time I’ve seen posts like yours and comments. I’m having a ok time here (slow activity) looking at Star Trek memes and self hosting but everything else is just meh post topics or RSS. Not sure where all this other stuff is happening.

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Cat then said, "Fish!"
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"Fish!" exclaimed Cat.
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Cat replied, "Fish!"
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"Fish!" Cat repeated.
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Once again, Cat cried "Fish!"
The machine again said, "Today's fish is Trout a la Creme. Enjoy your meal!"
Said Cat: "I will!"

• Cat in Red Dwarf, approximately.

Here's a megathread on them

You'll get banned for showing support for Ukraine or going against Russian narratives or if you remind them of Putlers promise to not invade or just shit talking Putler in general

Or calling out propaganda sites - https://lemmy.world/post/32776038 | https://lemmy.world/post/33416433 | https://lemmy.world/post/34051329 | https://lemmy.world/post/35919522

Or so much more, I actually haven't updated the megathread in a few months, but there's more recent stuff on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

Not that you'll read any of it, since you are a tagged Tankie

That sub is ran by people with a serious agenda. Its like the propaganda farm of lemmy. The mods beg you to stop reporting outright disinformation and the users are argumentative for no reason and aim to radicalize people of both persuasions.

Admins of .ml promote and enforce authoritarianism here's a megathread on them

They're authoritarian communists AKA Tankies as defined https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.

You'll get banned for showing support for Ukraine or going against Russian narratives or if you remind them of Putlers promise to not invade or just shit talking Putler in general

Or calling out propaganda sites - https://lemmy.world/post/32776038 | https://lemmy.world/post/33416433 | https://lemmy.world/post/34051329 | https://lemmy.world/post/35919522

Or so much more, I actually haven't updated the megathread in a few months, but there's more recent stuff on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

Well ok, here's regular Wikipedia then

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.

I’m wondering how this historic feud came to be

The feud started when they killed Rosa a hundred years ago and we've been arguing about it since /s.

But seriously, it is essentially the same, age old disagreement between social democrats and Marxists, which essentially comes down to this. Social democrats are committed to working within existing systems, which means their views have to be compatible with what is allowed in the existing system. Marxists, on the other hand, are committed to international solidarity first and foremost. That means we won't sell out a group to win an election. Because the ruling class does not want to allow international solidarity to form, they will inevitably force the issue, and limit the scope of acceptable views such that you have to betray foreign members of the working class in order to work within the system.

This is exactly what happened back in WWI. Before that, social democrats had pledged to support international solidarity and to oppose war, but when war broke out, the ruling class of each country put pressure on every party to support the war, and the social democrats fell in line and failed to organize any coordinated, international effort to stop or even oppose the war. Those who tried to, and took a more radical stance, were accused of all the things we're accused of today: of being Russian spies, of supporting the other side (and thereby being "authoritarian"), of just trying to forment chaos or let the right win, etc, it's all the same rhetoric just updated to the modern day.

Of course, there are many users on both instances who don't fit in those respective sides, including people who aren't really interested in the politics and just wind up caught in the crossfire as people make assumptions based on their instance.

Well, not anarchists, but dbzer0 chudlettes, sure.

Tankies love to conflate themselves as the only true communists/leftists to better spread their authoritarianism. And ofc they'd also hate anything that labels them properly and tries to downplay it, just like any other authoritarian

Tankies defend Russian and Chinese dictatorships in particular. Interestingly, they don’t defend (and even condemn) other dictatorships. This is a feature of their tribalistic ideology.

Eh I dunno' I got banned from tv on .world for having such a gross opinion as, "Pluribus' writing royally sucks" with many examples of how the (mild ep1 spoilers) supposedly interconnected consciousness that just wants nice things for humans made so many absolutely asinine decisions in many technical and social ways. Along with several other scientifically unsound things even within the universe of the show.

So... I guess all that is to say, some mods/admins on Lemmy are happily carrying on the Reddit traditions of being the worst users.

Lemmy world is probably owned by a corporation.

No. It is owned by a nonprofit set up for the purpose. The person that started it brought on a few volunteers (like me) to help out. We depend on donations, and receive some recurring and one-off donations. Every few months or so, we post a short request for more donations as the donations dip below the monthly costs, and that seems to keep us going.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "curates" / "shadowbans", so I won't directly comment on that. But a large part of the reason I was brought on was to have another person looking out for spam and such.

Sounds like the US, UK, Australia, Israel, KSA, UAE.

Like you

What do you think US libertarians are? They're not even libertarian.

"The only acceptable propaganda is Fourteen Eyes propaganda!" 🤡

The only authoritarian is you.

i remember when reddit mods didn't ban you for having different opinions than them, but that was 15 years ago.

hell, some of the places i was on reddit the mods would defend people's rights to have differing opinions and thoughts and beliefs. but that starting changing in the mid 2010s with the influxed of ID politics nutjobs who started becoming mods or harassing older mods into compliance with their insane beliefs that people are inherently evil or good based on their politics or their physical characteristics.

the irony always being that ID pol people scream they are the proponents of 'empathy' but their ideology doesn't believe it can genuinely exist between people of different identities.

.ml was PREEMPTIVELY defederated. Politics affects everything.

What of authoritarian? Can you give examples of states that aren't?

oh reddit i was weird.

on lemmy i'm a filthy normie.

then we share a position that all states are bad; i have particular ire for ones that are outright dictatorships of capital. that includes the US, all of its allies and some of its enemies.

i live in the US, so i am going to be loudest about about what my state is doing internally and what it's sponsoring abroad. i am going to treat the propaganda narratives it produces about its enemies with suspicion, and that should not be construed with 'defending' anything.

it often does though.

Russia’s favorite propaganda is to claim that democracy is impossible because state violence is universal. They don’t deny their own wrongdoing (the way China does): they embrace it with whataboutism.

Saying “all states are authoritarian” is meaningless. Of course all statehood is based in violence. Yet clearly citizens of Taiwan and China have different relationships with their governments.

To whit, I have no rights in China. They could disappear me for this one comment.

You sound unwell.

just because you personally don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

log out and browse an all feed and click in a couple a couple of pages from the top, and you will see a lot of crazy shit.

if you only see what you subscribe to, yeah you won't see any weird and crazy shit on here. hell, go into any news community on .ml and 90% of the comments are 'death to america!' kind of shit.

Dishonest much?

I'm glad to know it's owned by a non-profit, that means it's tax free, like certain churches, and it's definitely full of Zionists, with Zionist talking points.

You've been offered our views multiple times and refused to consider for an instant. I'm not doing it again. You know where to find the information and reflect.

piefed is heavily filtered by default. you have to turn the filters off.

the PieFed people have their own weird agenda they push. They want things to be Disneyfied and 'positive vibes only'. it's not so much political per se, but they want to socially engineer user behavior in a way lemmy does not.

piefed blocking tools are superior to lemmy ones though.

Documents authoritarianism

Tankies: YOU'RE SICK

Thanks! I'm always down for a good laugh!

Sure Jan, sure lolol

Have you ever stopped to consider that an instance shouldn't have homogeneous views supporting the genocide of innocent men, women and children?

• Non profits can still be owned by a corporation. Non profits aren't magically the good guy.
• Since you're a volunteer, I doubt you know the depths of it.

Well, okay, you can make up whatever you want to believe, I guess.

As they should have.

Why?

I could say the same for you, lol.

Different countries, different laws about free speech and expectations of free speech. Also different countries, different propaganda and their leaders/governments pushing certain agendas. Within their country, they are not wrong. A lot of centralized websites are US based and do follow US laws but you can't expect that the Internet follows US or EU laws and their culture.
Obviously this creates problems and the thing is, that every country tries to fight it their own ways and try to push their agenda. One example would be the GDPR. Some US sites just geoblocked EU IPs, because they didn't want to deal with these laws, that aren't even from their country.

He was a bit of a zionist, but otherwise decent.

Probably because of the reasons we've explained ad nauseum.

No one does. Not any more than Kamala voters.

🤡

The sickness is thinking yours is morally superior

Hysteria isn't a good look. Unless your family are wealthy corrupt.

The topic is people, not countries.

The problem with tankies specifically is that they cheer when their authoritarians do shit, like when they cheered in 1956, and again in 1989.

Both times tanks were rolled out to literally crush left wing uprisings against the pretend leftwing governments.

They cheer for Russia invading its neighbors.

At least most of us in the west are horrified about the shit our governments are doing. Tankies just cheer.