I can see giving China the benefit of the doubt, but giving it to Russia and North Korea is particularly egregious.

China is just another imperialist engaging in Muslim panic. The fact that .ml can't see through the propaganda speaks volumes to their inability to interpret reality.

Nonono, Karl Marx said western nation states shouldn't exist at all. As soon as you're the right kind of imperialist (not western), your nation state is A-OK.

they shouldn't, that's why i oppose the state that i live in foremost. why should i listen to its propaganda about its enemies either?

your post is just whataboutism lol

enjoy crying about a temp ban from a single comm

byeeee

That’s how fucking stupid they are. Get it now?

I got what you were saying, I was just giving a better way to play off the "preaching to the choir" idiom.

But then it wouldn’t have illustrated their ignorance.

China is just another imperialist engaging in Muslim panic.

There were Salafi-jihadi terrorist attacks in the 2000s–2010s, which Western media reported on at the time. What they of course didn’t report on was that the terrorists were backed by the US, UK, and Israel in a failed attempt at Balkanizing China.

Authoritarianism is bad. Doesn't matter which cape it's wearing

First, let us verify that Muslims have been demonized in China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia_in_China

Please look up the Strike Hard Campaign

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_Hard_Campaign_Against_Violent_Terrorism

The amount of money and personnel poured into this project definitely indicates a panic much like the US engaged in. In some ways what China did is far more extreme than just infiltrateling some mosques like the Americans did. What the US did that China didn't do is the bombing of civilians in the Middle East. So while China went more extreme within its border the US is just straight up terrorizing foreigners in the name of stopping terror.

Saying that the US, UK, and Israel created the terrorists is pretty poor propaganda considering even the Chinese government admits that East Turkestan Islamic Movement was responsible. This organization has been mostly funded by other terrorist organizations.

There is a conspiracy here though with elements of the US covertly bankrolling Osama Bin Laden until they turned on each other. So there is some truth to the propaganda

This organization has been mostly funded by other terrorist organizations.

And who do you suppose funded those terrorist organizations? Western powers have been funding these destabilizing organizations going all the way back to at least bin Laden in the 1980s, and at least as recently as the “moderate rebels” who toppled Syria two years ago and the failed Iranian coup this January. It’s their favorite tool in their Eurasian toolkit.

I am very familiar with the propaganda you use. It is very common on .ml

I study propaganda so I don't agree with you completely. There are some truths in what you say but there is also disinformation.

Just so we are clear, there is currently an unspoken alliance between Russia, USA, and China. China uses three times the oil it produces. The rich are getting richer and fascism is growing. I see what is happening, you seem stuck in a bygone era.

China just became the world's fourth largest arms producer selling billions in weapons that have been killing civilians on both sides in Africa. China has produced more billionaires than any other country for the third straight year in a row and shows zero signs of slowing down.

Honestly though there is just no catching up to what the US has done. I personally believe that the US has already killed close to a billion people indirectly. You could lay such an incredible amount of blame on them it isn't funny. So there is definitely a truth to your propaganda.

It is okay, we likely agree on a lot of other things.

I have a badge!

Most of the active ones do and use them for sock puppet brigades to make their batshit takes look popular.

Y'all are literally a propaganda instance, it's in your fuckin rules kid.

"ChatGPT explain why North Korea is actually a for real and good socialist state and not a despotic dictatorship and make sure to blame US sanctions!"

First you cite a source for that allegation that doesn't, if you track back to its original source, come from ETIC or a similar separatist/terrorist organization, a delusional Christian Nationalist in Austria who believes God wants him to destroy communism and calls himself an expert on China despite not being able to speak or read any Chinese, or a CIA funded NGO with a history of backing regime change operations.

Prove that, all of what you just said for every source on the uyghur genocide wiki page. I'll wait.

Yep. I see a lot of the same accounts brigading posts and comments. Most mods/admins won’t bother doing the work necessary to weed out these assholes.

Not that he needs defending, but I do think Hasan does have a more nuanced opinion on China regarding authoritarian and imperialist practices based on more recent interviews, but he doesn't incorporate that into his mainstream persona so people think he likes more than their coherent economic policy and even worse people seem to feel more justified in holding positions excusing authoritarianism and imprialism if it means a communist economic agenda is enacted.

So you're just going to plug your ears, close your eyes, and pretend that all authoritarian powers don't commit atrocities. Why am I not surprised? Typical tankie...

Yet Hexbear cries constantly about how they hate that .world defederated from them. Are AuthComs aware of their hypocrisy or are you guys just that steeped in your own reality you can't tell what's real anymore?

Lemmy mods make reddit mods seem reasonable sometimes.

It’s the censoring of others on their instance.

Are you under the impression your instance isn't doing the same thing?

reddit.world has its own reputation

They’re all the same. Inside and out.

No,nthats not how that works. I've said every one of them is citing one of those primary sources. Now you either pull up one that isn't or concede the point. You're the one making wild accusations of human rights abuses. Why can't you find a single primary source that isn't spurious western bullshit?

It would've.

It’s okay. You didn’t get the joke.

Really seeing (yet another) coordinated campaign against .ml. If all you can stomach is liberal slop, why don't you just go back to reddit, where you'll never have to encounter any politics to the left of your own?

Wildly corroborated accusations. Fuck off genocide apologist.

What a coincidence, I got banned from world_news@lemmy.world for exactly the opposite reason.

It wasn't even something I brought up at all, I said something completely unrelated and someone started hounding me about it and demanding an answer, and I said that I hadn't seen sufficient evidence to conclude it was a genocide.

Then a mod posted some links, and I asked, "before I go through these, if I ctrl+F "Zenz" how many hits am I gonna get?" and that's when I got banned. I did go through them anyway, and the answer was 18.

I had also made a comment explaining how claims don't get to magically subvert the normal process of scrutiny just because they involve the word "genocide," and how, if anything, more extreme claims should be subject to greater scrutiny, not less. That comment was removed for "genocide denialism."

So, nowadays, I've learned my lesson, that as long as I'm on .world, all claims of genocide must be accepted unquestionably, regardless of evidence. You could tell me that France is genociding Belgians or that Morrocans are genociding Kansans, whatever, and I won't question or deny it. After all, basing your beliefs on evidence means that you're just blindly following, uh, whoever the claims happen to be about this time, which probably makes you an authoritarian tankie. You have to accept all negative claims about US geopolitical adversaries, without question, to be a free-thinking anti-authoritatian.

However, my ban wasn't for 30 days, it was permanent. "You can't handle the truth" indeed.

"No u"

Fantastic display of rhetoric

To the untrained eye indeed. Horseshoe theory is the go to for anyone too lazy to try to actually learn anything about history or politics that's not drip fed by their corporate overlords.

He of the bitch brigade. Y'all are fuckin predictable.

A ton of people, mainly leftist, have an issue where their ideology starts and ends at “AMERICA BAD”

Lmao. Nah, that's the (obviously, painfully true) statement where you already stop listening because you don't want to admit it's true without a thousand caveats. I've never met a socialist who couldn't elaborate, rightly or wrongly, in their many issues with political systems they support, let alone those they don't.

You're the perfect liberal

I shit myself and then you scrunched up your nose. Heh, how predictable. I'm so smart.

Holy shit you actually said something true! The first part anyway.

Is that all you've got?

I cut propaganda constantly. I also happen to know the definition of the word propaganda and that there is nothing inherently wrong with persuasive speech.

However, using propaganda to push falsehoods about the global south and sustain an oppressive mode of production is unethical. Which is what liberals do.

Corroborated by the same three untrustworthy primary sources and amplified by billionaire owned media. Fuck off Imperialism apologist.

Neat...I got banned from an .ml channel for critizicing a mod that was minimizing '86 GOP horrors by saying they were to the left of modern dems.

And yet you'll gobble up RT agitprop like it's fuckin candy. You people are clowns. Like the fuckin losers who were libertarians in high school and never learned that it's a fuckin joke ideology for dumb privileged kids. You're certainly intellectually on the same level.

I probably wouldn't have banned you for your comment, but it seems like you were minimizing how genocidal modern dems are by saying "GOP started it!".

Giving MAGA credit for being anything but completely and utterly braindead is a wild take. Good job losing what was left of the tiny credibility you had.

Article a cited as a source for article b which is cited as a source for article c which is cited by article a and so on. That counts as proof somehow.

Nobody mentioned Russia, Jan. You're obsessed and it's sad and pathetic. The liberal horse shit under discussion is the baseless nonsense idea that China is committing genocide in Xinjiang. If I'm so dumb, it should be insanely easy for you to meet my challenge: find a primary source for your assertions.

And dipshit liberals believe that this proves the allegations in Article D, which doesn't even bother citing articles A-C and just relies on "the well known behavior of the subject of all those articles"

Cue the wikipedia link lmao

See, this is just "no, u" again

Lol, I enjoy tilting at windmills, so I think I'll keep doing this until some Liberal podcaster revises the definition of "primary source" to include hearsay and opinion pieces and they start laughing at the stupid tankies not accepting "primary sources".