My posts only expressed hostility to MAGA, which summoned defensive tankies like a swarm of flies closing in on a freshly dropped turd.

I mean, what you said here was:

This 'blue MAGA' tankie shit is somehow worse than the loud-and-clear MAGA shit over on Reddit

Like it's not only campists who use the terminology "blue MAGA". Anarchists and other non-campist revolutionaries rightly use the terminology (although I would personally not label someone reluctantly going to the polls as "Blue MAGA"; I would use that term for someone more emphatic and supportive of the policies that liberal politicians are responsible for). Followed by

• at least those neonazis were honest about who they were.

Like can you see where I'm coming from here? If you really didn't mean to call all anti-electoralists neo-nazis then... okay I guess, but that's not how I read it.

Tbh, that's really what motivated me to speak up. Like I'm willing to agree to disagree with my comrades about whether or not they individually show up to the polls, even though my viewpoint is emphatically against electoralism as praxis, but I (and I think some other people) read your post as if you were comparing your anti-electoralist comrades to neo-nazis.

It's gotten to the point that I'm questioning if "tankies" are even a thing, or if that's just a shitty attempt to conceal their red caps and klan robes under a poorly executed online persona for 'lols'.

I mean, from an anarchist perspective ... it's not at all shocking that people have recognized that some hierarchies are unacceptable while not (yet?) realizing that the State is inherently one such hierarchy, which is itself responsible for maintaining those other hierarchies. For a different example, many liberals clearly recognize that racism and sexism and homophobia are unjustifiable hierarchies, to the point that some are even doing very noble work in stopping ICE...but they still have not figured out the underlying pattern (hierarchical social relations).

The campists you're running into here are probably not Trump supporters. It's just that..."America bad" is a correct answer 99% of the time, and 99% is good enough for some people to round it up to 100%. (And even in the 0.1% where it's not the correct answer...it is true because America is bad, it's just not a helpful answer.) IMO campism is a cognitive distortion, but it's understandable where it comes from.

Not agreeing or disagreeing, because I don't really want in this discussion, I was just passing by and saw what could be a miscommunication. What I think they were trying to say is the logical inversion of what they actually said, which would be: [Fascism has an extremely hard time rising under authoritarianism]

What they said, "fascism emerges from liberalism" reads as "fascism ALWAYS emerges from liberalism" which I feel like is... Really loose speaking, I think. I could be wrong.

Maybe any non-authoritarian control does ALWAYS result in fascism. You would have to do the statistics on all history and human behavior. It's definitely possible to be true. I think there may be, I recall something about plato or socrares or ancient Greece or something talking about how a tyrant will ALWAYS rear its head or something.

the only leftists i've ever met that were serious people were the ones i've met in person. terminally online leftists just post through it and have nothing else. they post big endgame-level ideas, but if you ask them how they plan to get there, you get dogpiled and called a nazi. it's roleplaying for attention on social media.

Blue isn’t left?

That's... that's it? What's ban worthy about that?

[Fascism has an extremely hard time rising under authoritarianism]

Maybe any non-authoritarian control does ALWAYS result in fascism.

You're misunderstanding the terminology. Liberalism, as it's being used here, is synonymous with capitalism. It's not the opposite of authoritarianism.

In the historical examples of Germany and Italy, fascism came about out of a capitalist system and supported and was supported by the capitalist class. The economic policies of fascism involved nationalizing businesses belonging to the out groups, but was primarily focused on privatization, including the aforementioned businesses, in order to redistribute them to the in group. The reason that the capitalists supported fascists was because the systems they were in had become unstable and unsustainable, and they knew that their interests would be threatened if socialists came to power, but not if fascists did.

That's not to say that every capitalist system always leads to fascism, but rather that every fascist state has come out of capitalism. Of course, people have different definitions for fascism, and the degree that that's true depends on how you define it. A narrow definition that treats a capitalist class as a defining characteristic of fascism would make it true by definition.

Thank you. That's a very clear explanation.

(Relatedly; we're voting for the lesser of evils mostly because of the voting system we're using. RTV improves on this substantially, is used in several federal elections across the country, and has reasonable appeal in many places.)

Did I miss a comment? The one I looked at did not say that. It just said voting is a good idea. I also did not see where they called anti-electoralists neo-Nazis. If that's the reason they got banned it would make more sense.

But I was mainly sniping your tirade because we're not supposed to be arguing with the comment here, we're supposed to be discussing the rules and whether OP deserved to be banned. Whether we agree with them isn't super relevant--although I guess it can be if we want to discuss whether given rules have merit or not, so maybe there is some gray area.

I find it weird how they remove comments of people with massive upvote ratios. Like arent those comments the community overwhelmingly agrees with? How are they justifying consistently censoring their community this way?

PTB just because of that

Note to all: This is not the place to get on your "VOTE" soapboaxes. Stick to judging the moderation action.

anarchist here. Absolutely against voting and especially against electoralism

I can't disagree with that at all. I don't think any reasonable person could.

No, the democractic party is overwhelmingly not "left." They are the controlled opposition, in a game that the republicans are no longer playing, they are playing overthrow the republic, while the democrats are still playing oligarch monopoly.

Being banned from latestagecapitalism is an honor. They have conservative mods. You can be banned there for criticizing conservatism or saying things that are too far from Fox News talking points.

Not really sure how or why we end up with conservative mods in these communities, but it really ruins them.

You don't read your own comments?

OP certainly is https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28745948

The dems mission is to prevent moving left. Hopefully that will change but in any other country they'd be center right (like in the UK that has a liberal dems party)

Yeah i blocked that community because they delete any comment that says anything about voting.

Things can be both popular and bad for a community and/or breaking its rules. It's obvious that this isn't what's happened here, but upvotes alone aren't everything - you could probably get a lot of upvotes with a good meme in any discussion community (because who checks what community a post came from every time before upvoting), or post an inflammatory political take that is bound to get a lot of comments that mods now have to deal with.

Here however, the Mod simply disagreed.

Yeah for sure, I see it similarly but just didnt want to write it all out. So thanks for your addition.

Keep the comments in YPTB posts about the moderation action itself, not about the general topic in which the moderation took place.

Also, removing their comment wasn't just opposing liberalism. They advocated for voting and rioting, which certainly isn't a part of liberalism. At that point, it is just anti-democratic.

PTB

Agreed, but I was referring to the person your comment directly replied to.

They have communist mods, I think they're Marxists. I'd respect you more if you at least said you're against the "extreme left" or something like that instead of pretending that everyone who isn't liberal is conservative or secretly conservative.

And I was agreeing that there's been a flood of the same rule breaking posts all just punching left

Vote for whoever has the best shot of keeping the greater evil out of office

It's "Lesser evil" liberalism. The greater evil is the United States of America, not half of its ruling party.

Does TrickDacy claim to be a leftist?? I thought they were a proud lib

Tell me, how would an anarchist self governed community make decisions as a group?

Exactly. Left-anarchist myself, and the only way is, surprise, voting. Voting and debating. Democracy, for god's sake. A leader doesn't necessarily means higher hierarchy; what it really means (or should mean) is just higher responsability with the capacity of fulfilling it.

Yeah, but even so, these are just totalitarian and absurd rules. They're destroying freedom of speech because they're compelling the language and speech to only what they look as acceptable. That's certainly just minifascism.

I see OP has multiple comments that are all deleted. A reply quoting their "you should vote" comment isn't deleted. There are comments still up like:

What prevents you from voting and rioting at the same time?

There is absolutely no reason to not vote.

To me it looks like something else triggered the ban.

fascism is when you stop fascist talking points from being spread

It's so that other people can still pile on. Telling people to vote is against LSC community rules.

And one of the main ways to judge posts is to VOTE them up or down. Hmmm.

Support for capitalism or for the parties or ideologies that uphold it are not welcome or tolerated.

It looks like they've got razor thin margins on what they allow.

-You should vote ✅️

-You should vote for the party that isn't measurably making you life worse. ❌️

They're guilty of "both sides bad" in my opinion. An endorsement of any mainstream party or candidate breaks their rules.

Saying you should vote would also be supporting capitalism or the parties/ideologies that uphold it.

A lot of them are outright conservative.

Yeah trolls who go into communities and directly and obviously violate the rules the community don't have any room to bitch and complain.

.world, welcome to Tankie Lemmy

If you care about a community, make another one, the way lemmy is setup you get just as much visibility as a popular one

they're talking about 'fake leftists' like they're an authority, though it's probably because they so badly want liberals to be considered part of the left.

ya know, all part of centering the left around 'people who vote democrat' rather than 'people who oppose capitalism'

LATE STAGE CAPITALISM IS AN INVALID SUB RUN SOLELY BY AN ANTI-DEMOCRATIC CRYBABY MOD THAT BANS EVERYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH HIM AND HE IS MOST LIKELY A PAID FOREIGN SHILL.

Not sure how many times I have to keep pointing this out, but I will because fuck that loser.

Mod's name is GodlessCommie (lol) and he spreads anti-voter sentiment and runs the sub as his own personal cry space that you can only take part in if you support his narrative.

He is stupid, dangerous, and most likely being paid by people who want to see American decline.

Do not participate in that sub and let everyone you can know not to as well.

Idk I've seen multiple people with this sort of experience so I'm willing to believe OP

LateStageCapitalism is run by a sole moderator who is either a foreign shill or so stupid that they're doing their work for them for free.

He bans anyone that goes against his narrative. I am by no means the only person that has spoken out against that sub and its mod. It's becoming public knowledge at this point that the sub is compromised.

Tankie outreach community with mods that are pro Russia and censorship heavy. One of them loves responding to comments they've deleted. LW does nothing like usual in response to problematic moderators. PTB.

How are they justifying consistently censoring their community this way?

The sole active mod on LateStageCapitalism is an insufferable crybaby who is either an accelerationist or a paid foreign shill. If you go against his narrative, you will be banned. It's a trash sub that shouldn't be used by any reasonable person.

GodlessCommie, the sole active mod on that sub, literally spends all his time speaking out against voting or banning people that promote voting. He is either an asshole or a paid foreign shill, which are kind of the same thing.

To be clear, he bans people who promote voting as a concept. It isn't about people plugging a specific party. Just voting in general.

You're never going to get a reasonable answer from them if you get any answer at all. Anarchism only works until the difficult questions start getting asked. This is why there is no anarchist society on the planet other than some extremely small communities that would more reasonably be considered communes.