Link: https://slrpnk.net/post/44037529/24964469

The power trip / ban doesn't bother me, but the misinformation does. They present as leftist, but flare up around US elections discouraging voter turnout via 'bOtH siDeS' garbage. that only ever elevates shit like MAGA.

In the linked thread, OP promotes rioting while discouraging voter turnout. My comments agreed with activism like riots, but pointed out that it's not an either-or thing. You can riot -and- vote; and even if you don't have it in you to riot, still do vote.

Banned.

You can see my removed comment quoted in the post after mine.

This 'blue MAGA' tankie shit is somehow worse than the loud-and-clear MAGA shit over on Reddit - at least those neonazis were honest about who they were.

Anywho, YSK. Spaces like r/conservative were clearly labeled and easy to avoid; LateStageCapitalism@lemmy.world presents as a cause worth rallying around, but only until you peel up the veneer and see that they're the same fucking thing.

Also please vote. In addition to whatever flavor of activism tickles your fancy.

Rule 0

Fascism emerges from liberalism. Calling people fascists when they are against Liberalism and for communism is exactly the sort of shit that will get you wrecked in communities run by leftists.

Who gives a fuck if it's actual democracy. Vote for whoever has the best shot of keeping the greater evil out of office, and use that time to sharpen your guillotine. Again, you don't need to pick just one.

Well you definitely broke rule 4:

4 No imperialism, conservatism, reactionism or Zionism, lessor (sic) evil rhetoric. Dismissing 3rd party votes or ‘wasted votes on 3rd party’ is lessor evil rhetoric.

YDI for being an annoying , although maybe a permanent ban is a bit harsh.

Anarchists are gonna shred you for the electoralism here.

PTB. Everyone should be voting in this election. People like that boil all nuance down to two black and white naive takes:

• That you are either a voter OR you go out and protest. In reality there is nothing stopping you from doing both.
• That you should not vote because there is no unicorn candidate. In reality there will never be a perfect candidate.

I have voted in every election in the last 20 years, local, state, federal - and I have yet to see a candidate that I agree with completely. It will never happen. Expecting change tomorrow is a naive take. Slow incremental change is the only change I've seen on this planet. You are going to need to compromise on candidates, because it's always a bad and a worse candidate, and not voting means you are okay with the worse candidate. It's happening right now, and people are shocked pikachu of what happened in the last election. The reason is simple, people didn't vote.

Conservatives desperately want us to not go and vote. That should really tell you everything. Does it mean you have to agree with the candidate on everything? Absolutely not. Does it mean that your morals are the same as the person you voted for? Also absolutely not. Politics is usually voting against things you don't want than voting for things you do. People are strange complex creatures, and you'll never find a candidate who agrees with you. (Yes, even in multiple party scenarios).

If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice

Slow incremental change is the only change I’ve seen on this planet.

Only positive progressive change is slow and incremental. Regressives and authoritarians are able to pull off change pretty fast when they realize the system is too slow to stop them and won't punish them for wrecking everything.

That is why it is important to vote in every election to mitigate the damage they want to do.

Good correction. Legislating is slow, rolling back is fast.

Yeah that's not a serious community. Like I can understand why an anarchist would be vehemently opposed to voting, but a socialist? No. PTB.

Edit: and furthermore, if they're so against voting, why haven't they disabled both downvotes AND upvotes, and only use just the other sort algorithms?

Setting aside your incoherent off-topic tirade, I really don't see how this would violate that rule. Advocating for voting in general is not inherently lesser evil rhetoric, nor did they say anything against third parties. So this seems pretty clearly not a violation of that rule.

I don't see any rule you broke so this is a pretty open and shut PTB for me.

That said, no great loss since these LSC communities are all millenarian fantasy dumpster fires. Capitalism ain't goin nowhere on its own.

Wow. Your post is so reasonable, strongly in favour of rioting, correctly identifying it as better than voting, just allowing for voting. And still banned.

I've blocked a lot of PTB comms because of all the trolly libs calling anyone left of Schumer a tankie then whining about being banned from leftist spaces, but this is a bonkers ban. And from .world as well, not even a leftist instance. 🤷

To save folks a click:

Brace yourself for an apparently super edgy hot take:

Rioting > voting

rioting & voting > just rioting

just voting > nothing at all

Discouraging voting or rioting = supporting the status quo.

I was going to make a post and argue about your comment but then see you are on a .ml, so I will just leave it at this

Fascism emerges from liberalism.

probably the stupidest fucking thing I have read today

Vote for whoever has the best shot of keeping the greater evil out of office

I fail to see how that's not lesser-evil rhetoric.

incoherent off-topic tirade

It's actually not incoherent; it's a consistent if emphatic application of anti-electoralist anarchist analysis. You just don't like what I have to say or how I say it.

I spoilered the stuff that doesn't strictly have to do with the moderation action to declutter the feed, but I stand by what I said and how I said it.

And I usually try not to be this venomous towards electoralists, and I won't be that venomous towards you...but this user called us (anti-electoralists) neo-nazis. That's a very serious accusation which I will not take lying down!

Think of the 2 nations that define fascism in the modern mind: Germany and Italy. What were they before they were fascist? They were liberal.

I know this is difficult, because it requires unlearning a whole bunch of stuff and learning what feels like old history, but stick with me.

America is a Liberal country. The conservatives and the liberals in America are two factions of Liberalism. Every "tri-color" flag in Europe is the result of a Liberal revolution. Liberalism is really the first formal political philosophy that became a state system. Prior to Liberalism there were monarchies, but not because of a formal political philosophy. Monarchies emerged without that level of self-consciousness. But after Liberalism emerged, Conservatism emerged as a political philosophy to defend the monarchic state system.

Liberalism was a political philosophy developed by the merchant class in European monarchies. Before ocean-faring colonialism, merchants made money via overland trade routes and benefited from the European Crusades. But they couldn't convert their riches into real political power due to the way monarchies worked and in particular the absence of private property.

But when Europe developed the ability to do over-water colonialism, the merchant class got huge and much much richer. And that created pressure against the monarchic system. Merchants wanted to be able to buy and sell land, they wanted to buy and sell entire cities. They wanted their wealth to translate to political power.

And they couched that desire in terms of "freedom", "liberty", and "the pursuit of happiness". The crown should not stop a man (and only men, and only European men) from going off in boats to take the wealth of other societies and get rich from it. They certainly shouldn't stop bankers from funding such adventures and then claiming the right to buy millions of acres and pay workers a subsistence wage to farm it for the banker's profit.

This was the birth of Liberalism. And wherever Liberalism overthrow the monarchy, they destroyed the existing social contract (nobilesse oblige) and replaced it with "every man can earn a wage in a free society". Which resulted in about 100 - 150 years of abject poverty, famine, pestilence, slums, wars, and eventually labor movements.

Labor movements emerged as workers realized that a) the politicians and businessmen were all lying about liberty for all and b) they had to band together because the "democracies" were sending in the military and paramilitary forces to crush them whenever they decided to stop working and demand better conditions.

This went on for a while until one group of workers got organized in a different way and overthrew their government entirely. 1917, the Bolsheviks, the October Revolution. And what happened? The Liberals got super scared. They saw that it meant they could lose the battle with their own working class. So the first thing they did was invade Russia and try to stop the revolution.

But the second thing they did was fund the rise of the Third Reich and the Italian fascist movement. These movements protected markets, protected large private property holders, and promised to solve the problems Liberals were facing by 1) fusing the labor movement with a nationalist movement to prevent revolution, 2) fuse the state and labor with industrial investments to build the most productive state in the world and 3) use that fusion to field the most powerful military in the world and direct it at the Soviet workers state, destroy the revolution, and build an American-style occupation of the Slavic people's that would subjugate them for a hundred years or more, just like the Europeans did everywhere else around the world.

And the Americans, and the English, all Liberals, all businessmen with private property and individual rights to the pursuit of happiness through profits, they all funded the fascists because they saw it as a solution to the problem of labor organizing. They believed so much that the Nazis would win that they watched the Great Depression create mass unrest and when FDR's faction decided to concede some social democratic reforms to avoid revolution, the liberal businessmen of America plotted to coup him and replace him with a military man and implement European-style fascism in the USA because it was a defense against the working class.

Liberalism produces fascism. That's where it comes from. That's its systemic function. That's its history.

I have yet to see the posts punching left lately AND not following the comm rules be removed (note reflection on op not above image)

Most anarchist are quite supportive of voting, they would just rather have a direct democracy. The real issue for most is hierarchy. Ofcourse, that's not true for all anarchists.

A shocking comment from someone who uses the word liberal to insult anyone who even slightly disagrees with them.

I've learned that a lot of "leftists" either are well aware they are acting against the things they claim to support or are far less intelligent than they would have you believe.

Well maybe if you weren't being a liberal I wouldn't have to call you a liberal 😑

Edit: and furthermore, if they're so against voting, why haven't they disabled both downvotes AND upvotes, and only use just the other sort algorithms?

Anti-electoralists are not necessarily against voting in literally all circumstances. We're against voting for candidates for political office.

Yep it's just me and definitely not anyone who challenges you.

It's .world. it's just an extension of fascist reddit. Any other instance will offer different types of disappointment.

edit: lmfao @ the 9 @world fashies. this aint reddit you dumb cunts. the more you downvote here, the more cred. go back to spez and Starbucks.

I usually try not to be this venomous

Hahahahahah hahahahahaha ok

Yeah, not venemous to leftists who are electoralists. I've already clocked you as a liberal snake 🐍

The comment of yours they removed:

Who gives a fuck if it's actual democracy. Vote for whoever has the best shot of keeping the greater evil out of office, and use that time to sharpen your guillotine. Again, you don't need to pick just one.

The reason given:

Rule 4

Rule 4:

No imperialism, conservatism, reactionism or Zionism, lessor evil rhetoric. Dismissing 3rd party votes or ‘wasted votes on 3rd party’ is lessor evil rhetoric.

Instance-wide rule 4:

Do not post illegal content of any type. Do not engage in any activity that may encourage, facilitate or provide access to illegal transactions. Do not share or encourage the sharing of abusive or sexually suggestive content involving real or fictional minors. This also includes drawn, animated, generated and other content that does not depict real minors. Any violent or otherwise inappropriate behavior involving a minor will also always be strictly prohibited.

Based on what you said, compared to community rule 4 as well as instance rule 4, this is a PTB

Reported the mod team to the LW admins for review.

It's you and other shitlibs with whom I am unapologetically contentious.

I "clocked" you as having nothing but venom unless someone agrees with you. Then I read your screed against voting and I knew what you are. Snake doesn't cover it.

Tbh I'm more pissed at OP's implication that anti-electoralists are neo-Nazis. Like I see a hundred bellyaching posts a day about voting Blue and I keep my mouth shut for most of them because I have stuff to do and more productive stuff to talk about, but goddamn this one really fucked with me, and I thought Murse was at least cool enough to know better.

Use of that word kinda gives you away, fraud.

The word "shitlibs"? What are you smoking and can I have some?

I don't smoke meth, sorry.

Well your clock is busted. I've had loads of polite disagreements with people on Lemmy. Although tbh I am a bit more contentious on the .world subs you frequent because, well, .world is a liberal shit hole and it is incredibly cathartic to yell at liberals.

"Keeping the greater evil out of office" is 100% "lessor evil rhetoric"

Okay but what about the word "shitlibs" do you have a problem with?

Like I am openly an anarcho-communist. I openly oppose liberalism, as it is the umbrella of philosophies that capitalists used to justify their hierarchical and authoritarian practices.

I find it cathartic to tell fake leftists that I see through their lies, but I rarely do it until some moron writes a long tirade against the concept of voting because they're actually a magat.

Lol sure you are. So full of principles.

context on lessor evil rhetoric:

Dismissing 3rd party votes or ‘wasted votes on 3rd party’ is lessor evil rhetoric.

They defined what they consider it. By their definition, this doesn't apply.

I... don't think this user is punching left...

because they're actually a magat.

... do you really think I'm a MAGAt? Like do you really think I actually support Donald Trump?

No shit I don't want that pedocapitalist in office. No shit I don't want any of his lackeys in office. But more fundamentally, I don't want anyone in office. There shouldn't be an , full stop. But more concretely, the Dems have basically sat on their hands and done nothing in Trump 2.0. Establishment Dems only complained that they didn't get to sign off on Trump's demonic abuses, and non-Establishment Dems are comfortable enough with the perpetrators of the Gaza genocide to give them their time and energy.

The anti-electoralist position is the somber realization that the State is not controllable from a working class perspective. No amount of working within the system will ever allow us to meaningfully steer the trajectory of the system. Elections are simply ratifications of what the capitalist class has already planned for us. Hence why the Gaza genocide wasn't on the ballot. Hence why the abolition of ICE wasn't on the ballot. Hence why police abolition, hell even defunding the police, was not on the ballot.

Like there's almost no daylight between the Biden admin and Trump 2.0 and you want me to play along like I, as an anarchist, have a stake in the fate of the duopoly. Hell nah. Burn it all to the fucking ground.

Maybe they took the "who cares" as imperialist 🫠

oof

I will ask once again: what about the word "shitlibs" do you have a problem with?

If you're actually a leftist, then certainly you should have no issues with a fellow leftist using a pejorative term for liberals to describe liberals, right? Because as a leftist, you are not a liberal, since liberals do not oppose capitalism, and you are likely frustrated with how liberal monoculture dominates all political discussions, right? And it's not as if "shitlib" is a term of bigotry. Like I'm just taking the self-identified label of one faction of the capitalist enemy and adding the word "shit" to it.

Vote for whoever has the best shot of keeping the greater evil out of office

I fail to see how that’s not lesser-evil rhetoric.

That's because you're assuming the lesser evil is always the one in second place. If you don't think any 3rds have the potential to break into that coveted political standing between the red and blue teams, that's on you.

My posts only expressed hostility to MAGA, which summoned defensive tankies like a swarm of flies closing in on a freshly dropped turd. The longer I'm on this website, the more I'm noticing that behavior. It's gotten to the point that I'm questioning if "tankies" are even a thing, or if that's just a shitty attempt to conceal their red caps and klan robes under a poorly executed online persona for 'lols'.

I digress - my suspicion of tankies is off topic, outside of their overt and consistent support for MAGA and ilk, which I did call out in the previous thread.

What they said is "Dismissing 3rd party votes or ‘wasted votes on 3rd party’ is lessor evil rhetoric." So now we know that "Dismissing 3rd party votes or ‘wasted votes on 3rd party’" is "lesser evil rhetoric", but that doesn't mean that other things cannot be lesser evil rhetoric, e.g....the exact quoted comment.

fake leftists

dawg thats u tho

deserved it

although maybe a permanent ban is a bit harsh.

i was gonna agree with that, but then i got to the part of their post where they say that everyone pushing back on blue maga are neonazis