GodlessCommie, the sole active mod of LateStageCapitalism has set the rules up in such a way to give himself carte blanche to remove anyone that goes against his narrative.

He is quite possibly the most insufferable mod in the entire Lemmiverse and has made that sub his own private cry space and destroyed the sub's credibility.

I got banned for violating rule 4 (no "lessor evil rhetoric") despite specifically writing a comment not to include "lessor evil" rhetoric and then having the audacity to call out the mod to show where I broke rule 4 in my comment.

Fuck those guys. I was very motivated to report the channel, but I'm not 100% sure that I'm not just being a butthurt little bitch, gonna give it a few days to simmer, and to see if other people continue to have issues with their moderation. Still though, feels good to get a ban badge from them.

Fascism emerges from liberalism.

Lol. Didn't even need to check that you were from .ml to know you were from .ml.

Sometimes it feels like you're all just the same person posting under different accounts because you all sound the same.

Implying liberalism and fascism are related continues to be one of the dumbest sentiments I've ever seen on the internet. Ever. And I've been on this shit since Geocities was the only thing worth doing on it.

Yup.

.ml loves stating liberalism and fascism are related. And they state it with the assurance of an accomplished scholar.

It remains one of the dumbest opinions I've ever read on the internet.

Low effort.

Ah, yeah that makes sense lol

Lol. Somehow I knew you'd pop up in this thread with that opinion. You are predictable.

for being an annoying lib

Welp. There went all your credibility.

shitlibs

It's like you're a masochist who gets off destroying their credibility in an argument.

You guys know you can do both?

I know you yanks aren't the smartest. But surely being able to do two things isn't that difficult for you?

Wait untill you hear how accomplished scholars sound when they talk about reality! It's so wild to hear how confident and consistent they are!

I mean, then maybe look for the scholarship on it without using the Internet. Don't know what to tell you bub.

Why exactly does the word "shitlib" invalidate my credibility? I made my opposition to liberal capitalism explicit at every step of my output on the Fediverse.

It's great that your profile picture is a clown because now I don't even have to call you one

They present as leftist, but flare up around US elections discouraging voter turnout via ‘bOtH siDeS’ garbage.

No, they criticize bourgeois elections all the time; consistently during all 24 months of the biennial US election cycle.

US liberals like you only complain about it for 2 months, and then go back to brunch for the next 22.

This ‘blue MAGA’ tankie shit is somehow worse than the loud-and-clear MAGA shit over on Reddit - at least those neonazis were honest about who they were.

‘Horseshoe theory’ is nonsense. We’re socialists, we’re punching right, and you & MAGA are to the right of us.

lessor evil

Lol. That moron mod doesn't even know how to spell "lesser".

Yeah, I thought about posting on here after that idiot banned me, but didn't feel like it was worth the effort. But at this point I've seen multiple others complaining about that fool and his sub so I'm glad they're taking the time to post about it.

liberals will see someone having principles and call them 'predictable'

sorry babe, some of us have politics that aren't pure opportunism and triangulation.

Creative.

Anyways. Would you like to understand how credibility works so you don't keep hurting yourself in your confusion?

When you use a derogatory term against someone you are arguing with, others can see that you have no valid argument and have resorted to name calling to score some kind of imaginary points.

For example, other than MAGAts, who deserve all the derision aimed their way, I haven't created some kind of derogatory term for adherents to the other ideologies I don't agree with. I don't agree with Libertarianism or Anarchism, but I haven't created some dumbass term to try to belittle them.

Unfortunately, for someone of your limited intellect, it seems that doing exactly that is the only ammo you've got in your tiny little weapon.

Edit: Ah, it appears you are a self-professed anti-voter. Now I don't feel so bad implying that you aren't very intelligent.

You must not be very smart if you can't tell the difference between disagreeing with something and destroying your own credibility by using derogatory terms in regards to it.

Get yourself back in school. It'll do wonders for you.

They don't criticise Russian or Chinese elections even though there are definitely bourgeois. False!

Going straight to insults with the liberal crap and no, many people in the US care a great deal about elections for far more than just 2 months. This is false and inflammatory

Horseshoe theory perfectly describes leftist who cross over to worshipping neoauthotarian regimes like China and Russia. They embrace violence and turn their back on leftism and cross over to becoming something that is very similar to the far right only they profess socialism. The type of socialism where everyone is convinced by the barrel of a gun.

They like to accuse everyone as being fascist (legitimate) but then can't wrap their head around China being even more fascist than the US. It is a rather sad ideology really and I feel bad that they have lost the way.

When you use a derogatory term against someone you are arguing with, others can see that you have no valid argument and have resorted to name calling to score some kind of imaginary points.

Unfortunately, for someone of your limited intellect

a lot of complaining about calling people liberal as a derogatory term but then practically every comment of yours is you being derogatory about peoples intelligence for disagreeing

others can see that you have no valid argument and have resorted to name calling to score some kind of imaginary points.

Where else? I can't stop seeing far right/russian propaganda. I don't even want to use this app anymore, it seems like that's all there is here, along with very mean aggressive manipulative accounts.

I don't know how to stop it. I can't even down vote the shit, or comment at all anymore because I think a mod silently banned me from multiple places or something.

It could have been another one. I expanded on my stance that discouraging activism or voting is an act of support for the status quo, specifically MAGA. Maybe that crossed the mod's line. /shrug.

Not in this comm. Check the sticky

I'm talking about electoralist voting, not voting in general. Check out our instance governance rules

China being even more fascist than the US.

Even by Reddit standards, that’s an impressive level of imperial core propaganda that you’ve integrated into your Western chauvinist core beliefs.

Don't hide who you really are - fascists supporting authoritarian and imperalist regimes.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Voting is not exclusive to liberalism. And what does calling the US the greater evil mean on whether you should vote? I don't know what you are trying to say here.

Like it’s not only campists who use the terminology “blue MAGA”. Anarchists and other non-campist revolutionaries rightly use the terminology (although I would personally not label someone reluctantly going to the polls as “Blue MAGA”; I would use that term for someone more emphatic and supportive of the policies that liberal politicians are responsible for).

I may be misusing the term? My understanding (gained entirely through context in posts like this discussion - so if it was misused in those cases, then I'm parroting an error) is that it's kind of false flag effort to lure anyone left of the fascists currently running the country to dispersing their support to a wider array of easier-to-defeat opponents. Divide and conquer kinda situation. Idk if there's any kind of 'coined' meaning, I thought it was just internet slang.

Like can you see where I’m coming from here? If you really didn’t mean to call all anti-electoralists neo-nazis then… okay I guess, but that’s not how I read it.

I do see where your coming from. And frankly I agree with a lot of it, which is why the idea of 'blue MAGA' (or whatever we're calling the shit I described above) is getting me so worked up: it's deceptive, with the goal of tricking actually decent people into supporting something awful.

In any case -- All anti-electoralists? certainly not. Anti-electoralism isn't what I have an issue with. You're sick of being forced to choose any evil, lesser or otherwise. I get the fuck out of that. The state of our elections is abysmal, in which "vote for me because I'm not the other guy" is often the literal only selling point. It's exhausting, it doesn't work, it needs to go away. The shitty reality is that we're in that system whether we like it or not; and the options presented within are NOT equal - one of those options of going full Nazi right now, and when I call MAGA Nazis, I'm not saying that as an insult, I'm saying they're actually acting like Nazis. If we're a given any power at all that be used against Nazis, we should use it whether or not we approve of the system it exists in.

In short, I agree with your disapproval of the process; it's shit. I disagree with the notion that participating in voting is equal to supporting that system. We (collectively) need to be more strategic with our resources. Vote for the least shit option within a shit system; riot to break the system and reform it into something that's actually humane.

recognized that some hierarchies are unacceptable while not (yet?) realizing that the State is inherently one such hierarchy

I kinda got ahead of myself with the previous paragraphs, but basically the same spiel here. There's no shame in participating in a system that you're stuck in anyway, especially if that participation can nudge it away from Nazism.

The campists you’re running into here are probably not Trump supporters.

...I mean, hopefully not. I try to give anyone the benefit of the doubt by default (although that's feeling increasingly naive). Yourself included. What I have to question though, is what's the goal? Especially here - Lemmy seems to be a mostly left-leaning space, so spreading notions of a false equivalence between Trump/his mini-Nazis, with is going to detract from the effort to oppose him. And even if you intend to engage in other more impactful, high-risk-high-reward activism, why skip the vote? Voting is way less effort and way less risk, and I can't stress this enough, doesn't stop you from any other action.

It’s just that…“America bad” is a correct answer 99% of the time, and 99% is good enough for some people to round it up to 100%. (And even in the 0.1% where it’s not the correct answer…it is true because America is bad, it’s just not a helpful answer.) IMO campism is a cognitive distortion, but it’s understandable where it comes from.

America bad. I get it. Let's maybe try to make it not bad. Or at least less bad to start with. Discouraging voter turnout isn't going to accomplish that.

Edit - I just saw the mod post here warning against soap-boxing about voting, which is 100% what you and I are doing. We should probably move this conversation to PMs if you want to keep it rolling. We're getting way outside the scope of what I posted in LSC.

Go on defending a "socialist" country that produces more billionaires than the US for the third straight year and shows no signs of slowing down. The fourth largest arm dealer in the world spreading its imperial killing machine across Africa where their arms have already killed civilians on both sides. One that literally meets every definition of fascism including the tight integration of business and the government.

Confusing neoauthoritarianism for communism is pretty damned funny honestly. Thanks!

Hilarious how folks can actually believe that socialists are the blue MAGA as opposed to the genocidal democrats and DSA. It is so feeble and tired.

Yes, that’s the imperial core propaganda I’m talking about. The US spends millions per year cranking it out, as earmarked in the budget by Congress.

I see someone didn't read the rules...

UK

I mean ... glass houses and stones.

Good thing China doesn't produce propaganda!! Lol you are sooo funny.

Also, I hate the US, but I am not about to run into the arms of more capitalists pretending to be something else.

..we're punching right..

Hmmmm. But not up.. (and that is the only direction you should be aiming.)

Disappointing, that.

Tell me you don’t know left from right without telling me you don’t know left from right.

In capitalist states, right is up, because the right controls the state.

Imagine handing your country to fascists because you're too much of a little bitch to engage in your own democracy. I feel so lucky to be able to vote in my country. It's my responsibility and I am privileged to have it. It was earned by the blood of MILLIONS.

The Democratic party never has been and never will be the left. The line between left and right is the line between who should own the means of production, the capitalist class or the working class.

You’ve been on Lemmy for two years, and on an anarchist instance, no less. How do you still not know this?

Fascism emerges from liberalism.

probably the stupidest fucking thing I have read today

Previously:

Every single time fascism has taken over, it is because liberals sided with fascists against socialists.

• Michael Burns (of Wisecrack fame): 📺 Why Liberals Always Side with Fascists
• Hampton Institute: Liberal Democracy: The Bedfellow of Fascism
• Gabriel Rockhill:
  • Fascism: Now You See It, Now You Don’t!
  • Liberalism and Fascism: Partners in Crime

It's become a massive contention of people applying leftism to neo-liberals and calling them "the left" when they certainly are not. I feel the media purposely did this to help kill of any left wing ideology.

It's like eating food making you fat.. well sure but that's super avoiding all the other details

Okay whatever. All of this is technically off topic as per the mods' comment, so feel free to yell at me next time you see me elsewhere

Sorry, will do from now on.

It’s not every day that someone takes the time to make a bespoke ELI5🎖️

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