Yeah, there's a lot of unwritten rules about where the lines are drawn on legitimate play for competitive advantage in the sport itself, to dirty play that veers into being about hurting someone rather than playing good offense/defense, socially acceptable fighting that is part of the broader game, and is penalized within the rules of the game by the refs on the ice, to socially unacceptable fighting that warrants league intervention after the game for suspensions and the like.

It can still be worth it, but we gotta place each act in the appropriate category.

In hockey, fighting exists to enact justice when the refs fail to achieve that. Usually it's for missed calls or intentional harm. It's my personal opinion that calling an underage girl a whore is verbally abusive which translates to intentional harm enough to justify beating the brakes off that little fucker. The refs should've thrown the insulter out for that shit, and if that were my daughter, I'd be after that ref's job for doing nothing AND punishing the kid who had the courage that the ref didn't. Yeah, the kid sucks, but his behavior is the product of bad parenting and a lack of education and discipline; that ref should've fucking known better.

Who decides what a slur is?

OK boomer

It also gets him knocked out of the game and prevents him from supporting the girl when this chud inevitably tries to slam her

Then that hockey game wasn't valuable. Fuck toxic enviroments as these that ban the ones who do the only correct thing to do.

there are still rules to fight him

No, it was the correct answer

Eye by Eye, Tooth by Tooth. If you don't want to be abused, you should not abuse to start.

Based

No, it actually exists, and it's the best strategy: tit-for-tat with forgveness, it's called.

Yeah. I think about it as just as a spoiled child: if you spoil them every time they forms a tantrum, then they'll wrongly learn that doing a tantrum not only doesn't has any consequences, but even that they'll might get rewarded for doing that.

Yeah, these people are just so fucking mononeuronal that they won't understand words, they just go oonga boonga and they only understand fists.

Yeah. I think about it as just as a spoiled child: if you spoil them every time they forms a tantrum, then they'll wrongly learn that doing a tantrum not only doesn't has any consequences, but even that they'll might get rewarded for doing that.

That mysoginistic kiddo was that spoiled child.

In highschool an opponent coach called one of my team mates the n word. I told the coach I was going to kill him. Referee decided the fouls canceled one another. Wish I had drop kicked that fucking cunt instead.

Hey, violence isn't the answer, let alone "the only correct thing to do".

Edit: you all are real tough guys for advocating that the rude child in this totally true story get beat up. What a bunch of losers.

what does the law say about any of those offences ?

Depends on the kids parents wealth.

Lmao, "violence is not the answer". It is. When other people like that fucking asshole kiddo were, then it's the only acceptable thing to do. "Don't do unto others what you don't want done unto yourself".

They need to understand that their shit has consequences, or else bigotry will never end.

Some states have "fighting words" clauses in their statutes or case law that stipulate when someone's held less accountable for an otherwise clear-cut Assault/Battery.

If what you say is obviously an attempt to get under someone's skin to make them throw the first punch it essentially blames you for the fight.

Of course the devil's in the details, but rumor has it those exceptions exist.

If it were me, I'd hope I'd have the courage to risk my job to use some Discretion in an event like that without clear statute/case law backing up a Fighting Words issue, but I never handled a case like that so we can never be sure.

- Ex-cop

I think the kid has already it out.

Idk i was 17 and the coach was old. I'm glad it didnt go much further because it would have not ended at all well.

we had an 'airforce' player in our team. he usually was only on the field, if the other team played dirty. the most dirty opponent would have a painful clash with our 'airforce'. the game usually was a bit more civilised after that.

was it the right thing to do? probably not. would we have sent the 'airforce' if the referee had stopped dirty plays earlier? definitely not! did it protect other players from going home with injuries? yes!

so no, violence is not the only correct thing to do. but it is a way to achieve certain goals. sometimes fire has to be fought with fire.

The insulter didn't threaten the girl, so he's clear. The boy is guilty of battery, no defense of others here.

OTOH, "fucking whore" could be considered "fighting words", but I have no idea how that works if directed at another person. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Just mentioned "fighting words" in another comment. But those words weren't directed to the attacker, so would that still count?

That question exceeds the scope of my training, experience, and rumor I heard on the job from other cops, so your web search would be as good as mine.

I'm 99% sure I was never trained on it, 100% sure I never saw it applied, and such a scenario never came up in the rumor mill.

The white knight.

In the NHL it's fine. Actually if a penalty has already been called against your team then you can do anything you want until the other team gets a penalty.

Bigotry is as old as humanity.

It will never end. I would bet that you're bigoted against a variety of people, too. It's all around us; most people have a "narrow-minded intolerance of beliefs opposed to them".

Especially here on Lemmy.

None of that makes it wrong to oppose bigotry.

I'm on the fence. On the one side I despise a society that resorts to violence to solve problems. This is primitive. Then again it sure feels like some people don't learn another way. Doesn't mean it's good.

Mhm, a story to remember for sure.

Must be american. Surely violence is the right solution to insult, right?

Hockey is weird, its sort of expected that the players use violence to keep each others behavior in check.

Have you seen a hockey game? Mostly Canadians and this is a completely reasonable thing to happen in hockey.

Absolutely not. You can definitely receive an ejection and a game misconduct which would prevent you from playing in the next game as well.

Are you trying to say enforcer? I'm plenty familiar with the concept but your word choice is confusing.

Its also absurd because its heavily gendered. If someone called a male teammate a fucking whore we would laugh at them, take note that they are clearly salty, and fuck with them the rest of the game. If it was the girl who punched the guy in the face it would at least make more sense.

Personally, I wouldnt cheer my own kid on for punching someone in the face and getting kicked out of the game. That type of problem solving shows a lack of creativity and compassion.

Not the trash on this site.

I never suggested that it should be tolerated

If you think calling someone a name during a competitive sport is intentional harm, then you probably shouldnt partake in any sports. Its also pretty clear that most of the reason you are upset is because the "victim" was a girl. If you replace the story with a boy, the reaction you have is entirely different, isnt it?

Its a bit different when its an opponent in a competitive game. They could shout any random mean thing at anyone just because they are frustrated. Taking them seriously is the wrong move. The girl in this situation already has a team, and team mates, and its none of them that are harassing her. She should be able to brush it off just as easy as any of the guys, and acting like she needs a defender isnt automatically the right move just because she's a girl.

All this to say, clearly this is just a dumb social media mother attempting to brag about their impulsive and violent child as if it were a good thing.

May I interest you in Australian Rules Football?

I did something similar in school. Laid out the kid making fun of me.

We were in pads and helmets. It was middle school chickens establishing the pecking order.

Kid was more abusive than most and picking on me in particular. Put him on the ground, made it clear that this would not be tolerated.

Then I caught up with the running drill.

That's kinda the attitude that is cultivated for success in athletics.

Was bro flying around?

WHY THE LONG FACE?!

Yeah, that’s kind of my point. One of the avenues to explore is whether it’s even worth your time to try any civilised approach.

It's hockey. Punching someone in the face is how you express your feelings.

Disagree, sometimes we have go go back to the fundamental. Looks around, shitty people aren't get punched enough.