I totally agree, which is another reason we should not expect China to save us. Their ideal world is one where Americans finally take power from the capitalist class.

Xbox cloud servers are literally 5 motherboards: 1 management board and 4 Xbox ones. Developers can optimize for a single configuration rather than bake in support for multiple ones. Once it works on an Xbox dev kit, it works on all Xboxs including cloud, console, and handheld. SDKs are making that a thing in the past, but it's not perfect.

Ah, I may have to clarify that technically Microsoft isn't the AI bro I'm referring to, though they do partake in the insanity. I'm referring to OpenAI specifically. "circular financing" and all that, but Microsoft is more of the hosting provider for OpenAI.

This has been a successful business model for mmos for decades. This is not new.

I honestly wasn't aware of other platforms that stream games for free. A quick web search tells me that Sony offers cloud streaming as part of Playstation Plus Premium, Steam lets you stream from your PC to other devices. I couldn't findany other cloud game streaming services that don't require a charge or subscription; would you point me in the right direction please?

How else do you want to word that Microsoft purchased hardware to run the games for you, and that costs them money?

Well that would explain why I've never seen an MMO streamer before. At least not since Leeroy.

It's funny. Because pretty soon individual "Game Designers" will for the first time be able to create highly complex games using generative AI in very little time. Any game. Even games with a scole like GTA 6 could be generated. And as long as the game describes and edits enough, they will also be an individual creation. Triple AAA video games with a side of slop will become incredibly cheap to make. Much will be total garbage, but we'll see some really cool new ideas that would never have been made before.

This enshittification we're seeing now will only drive this process faster. Even games piracy is going to die lol.

You see a game but don't like some aspect of it? Download someone else's game design document for it and tweak it a bit and generate your own version of that game.

Not really, the MMO model is ppm not ppp.

The gamepass subscription already fits the MMO model.

On pc you use third party software to stream, i use Apollo which is a fork of sunshine and Moonlight. As for PlayStation on the PS4 you just used the companion app, I can't remember if you needed plus or not but I wouldn't be surprised if you did. PS5 sells a whole peripheral for it but I think you can still use the app. Not sure, PS4 was hostile enough for me to abandon console gaming and return to pc where it's better and cheaper.

Processing power, server capacity, all the dozens of terms used before AI techbro trash started misusing a verb because they were twigged on ketamine.

It's quite similar. Pay for a game and then pay for game "time.". Mmos are a pre pay, this is likely billed after playing. But really just paying for time after buying the game.

This isn't going to happen because no one person can do all that planning. AI will help but it will require a team of people to plan appropriately. Code is only as malleable as you design it.

At the scale of "write the code to consider everything" the code base becomes impractical, and the context required to manage that many systems is also impractical.

Whatever. I would never allow an Xbox in my house. When they came out it was obviously just another shit product from a shit company. Hard pass.

The upside is hopefully it will just continue to alienate their market.

Well this is around from 2000

https://www.hpcwire.com/2000/07/28/sun-microsystems-to-acquire-gridware/

Technology like Codine and GRD enables end-users to submit their compute-intensive jobs to a compute farm with a single-system image, looking like one central virtual mainframe.

Yeah, stupid tech-bro corpo marketing speech. It's fuckin stupid.

They didn't used to make us buy the arcade machine first.

Just trying to point out it wasn't AI tech bros like you said. It was in use before them. Tech bros sure.

You underestimate how much people don't like metered charges.

Except you didn't have to buy your own arcade machine before you started shoveling quarters into it.

Halo 2 on Xbox was kind of a blast. But otherwise yeah

I can guarantee you that you haven't played every good game playable on your hardware. If new games aren't playable anymore don't fucking buy them. You will never run out of games to play in your lifetime.

That's my ideal world too though. You say that like it's a bad thing.

Yes, it’s also my ideal world. Sorry if I came across as pro-capitalist 🤮

Oh fuck no.

game streaming. Can no one read?

Well true it's not gonna happen "very" soon. You'll basically need source code for games that generalize this stuff, game engine code bases that can encompass various game styles. And presumably a lot of "data worker" work which translate existing games into design doc so it can be used for training.

But most AAA games share very similar gameplay elements just with different art and music and characters and story, one or two new features. Much of the code base is like "player / camera controller" and then a lot of items and weapons and levels and encounters.

So you don't need to manage an entire colossal code base. But if you imagine just a selection of very strict genres, like first person shooter or realtime strategy game, this provides a rather restricted code base where most is art generation and that is definitely possible. Even MMORPGs like WoW.

You might still need or want e.g. a concept artist that designs characters or supervises art styles. But it's going to be possible for hobbyists to do the work of multi million dollar studios. With a little side of slop of course lol. No doubt "handmade" games still are potentially better but due to budget constraints have not often been and in this future scenario just won't be commercially viable. It's going to be patreon funded game designer crews. And bye bye fucking corporate games industry.

I can assure you at least one large US bank uses thin clients extensively.

as a paperspace user i read the first part as 'oh nice' ... then i kept reading. i'll keep paying 0.76USD/hr. i don't have time to justify paying for a gaming pc... especially now. so paperspace has been great when i want to play a high end game. my library, mods. but yeah... m$ hell bent on destroying their company for copilot.

tell microsoft to eat itself its time
hopefully microsoft turns from a 5b company to 0 dollars in time.

corporate game industry isn't going anywhere but I understand your sentiment. I don't like the hypothetical.

Would you consider that laptop particularly robust? Was your rapid compute power critical to your role?

In my very similar case, the answers were: No and No

A lot of the work I did was subtly cloud-based. If the internet was slow, "local" tasks slowed significantly.

Not that I dont share your sentiment. But Microsoft market cap is as of right now 3.9 Trillion. Not 5 billion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8ju_10NkGY

Very true. Gotta think of those shareholders and make it more expensive somehow.

The default? I've never worked for a corporation with thin clients as the main workstation for employees. The only place I worked at with thin clients was a federal government office.

Can't believe this nonsense has so many updoots.

The initial claim was that thin clients are the "default" for large companies, and yes we can confidently say that's bullshit.

I'm not surprised that healthcare could be an exception, given all the pii that is dealt with there. But thin clients are not the default at most companies.

It's insane how people can't just admit they they're blatantly wrong about something and instead play this gaslighting game where they pretend something is unknowable.

The global size of the thin client market is less than $3 billion.
Do you honestly believe that covers most "large corporations" on the planet? I guarantee you that employers with thin clients as the default workstation aren't just a minority, they're a niche market.
https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/articles/thin-clients-global-strategic-business-103200706.html

Right but this is cloud gaming on Xbox AND PC. User hardware doesn't matter so you'd only need to make sure it works on the cloud servers which should be allowed to be a heck of a lot more beefy when not restricted to Xbox architecture. Am I off base? I appreciate the insight.

Where is the line for gamers? They think you’re marks.

More like a phenomenon. Things come and go though. I don't play games anymore; I don't even know what's popular.

Halo died a long time ago when I was still playing. Halo: Reach felt like the start of its decline.

Iirc One of the previous heads of xbox said that they're intentionally trying to kill the xbox brand over time by enshittyfying it (or words to that effect).

This might very wel be that. They know damn well this will piss people off.

Your playing for cloud computing which as never been free very misleading headline

wanting and getting dont always happen

What is the end goal of killing Xbox? Not having to deal with consoles and just concentrate on computers?

It's already part of the monthly fee. They are now tacking on an additional charge. It thought it was pretty clear.

My ideal world is that but we immediately also start to undermine the Chinese as well through decentralized production and logistics so good it makes over seas shipping too expensive. Mind you I want that for the entire world, you cannot fathom the arousal I feel at the idea of a Trans-Berringia trains bridge to connect the logistics of the old and new world, also the Trans-African rail should be completed to such an extent that goods in the Congo are as cheap as goods in LA.