That doesn't mean invalidate their comment. The title's claim is false.

The title's claim is false?

Does Kagi not have a Fediverse Forms search toggle now?

As opposed to what exactly?

Think of all the web services who still pays money to USA or Israel. If you want to moralize, at least don't use a double standard of morality for the people you hate vs the people you venerate.

I pay per search using their APi and my SearXNG instance, it’s like ¢0.03 per search which I capped to $5 a month, we’re currently on the 23rd of October and I owe them a whopping $2.03, I usually don’t hit that $5 limit.

I only wish they weren’t an American company.

No, they don't have it now.
Though they may again by the time your read this.

why are you doing 50-100 searches a day? that seems high

As a long time user... definitely had it for years.

Kagi calls them lenses, and there's a bunch. You can change the default by selecting the current one (in my case below, "Small Web")

This is great. This was one of things that I disliked about Lemmy, as being federated makes it harder to use external search engines.

I think that might be the final thing to make me switch from DDG to Kagi.

So let me get this straight. Not only it's closed source and SaaS but you guys are paying for your data to be stored on US based servers that are vulnerable to the patriot act? You're paying for that privilege?

I can’t say if the servers themselves reside on US soil but the companies office certainly do, while I admit I was hesitant to give them my money I got tired of being rate limited by Bing/DDG/Startpage on my SearXNG instance, even though I don’t make many requests they do not like aggregator engines, and I sure as hell didn’t want want my server touching Google servers regularly.

Settled with the least worst option available I’d say.

Actually that's a quite typical time for tech start-up to break even. The whole time they're funded by business angels.

But for some cases, the loss can be considerable, and still the "start-up" keeps finding investors. Ex: Uber, lost 30 G$ on over 14years before turning around. Or just look at all the AI pure-players companies right now.

They offer a genuinely good product and I think it's important to support companies that sell a good product rather than their customers' info.

I paid $5 for a couple of years but eventually stopped because I kept running out of searches after a few weeks. $10 a month for a search engine is excessive but 300 searches a month is too limiting.

How did you integrate ollama with it? That sounds like an interesting setup.

And they use Yandex as part of their underlying search.

But are the results better?

That's not really my point, but for what it's worth I don't mind if I was paying for something and it allowed you to use it because you can't afford it.

Nothing in life is free, someone's paying for it. If I use a service, I think it's fair for me to pay a fair price.

Sounds like we're in agreement, great. Not everything can have that scheme but I support things as best I can, again as long as it's fair. Affordability is different for everyone.

Do y'all remember StumbleUpon?

i also use yandex if i need to find something google doesnt find. Had good results with some pirated jav. I have no good thoughts about russia but i like to find stuff on search-engines.

Funnily I feel just the other way around ^^

Like, it's only 10$ for something as fundamental as a search engine. It gives me way better results than any other engine I tried, and so far they kept their promise of making it better for me and not for some advertiser or data collector.

And then a streaming service wants more than that, is not as important in my daily life and chances are that the one thing I'd like to watch right now is on another service anyway.

Although I have to say, that recently I find the results not so good anymore. But I suspect that's more to do with LLMs, because people just don't communicate their troubleshooting anymore. So if I search "how do I get xy to work", there's just no quality content about it anymore, as people ask their LLM.

Depends on the big company. Like the one I worked for had a budget for specific software requests. Nobody used it, so I could snack through all the stuff and try everything.

Same glitch back in the day at the university library. You could request books and they just bought them, because apparently nobody else ever requested anything. I requested all the books and they just bought them, happy to be of service.

Schrödinger's Feature!? O.o

What do you use?

Yes, that's quite typical, if you manage to find a rich investor. But that only happens if you have a way to eventually make a profit. If you say from the start you're never going to have ads or subscriptions so you're never going to make money with this, you're not going to find an investor.

I'd rather pay for the product than be the product myself and a search engine is the thing I use the most on the internet. And so I became a subscriber. Then I discovered their lens feature and now no other search engine even comes close for me on this and it's another thing I use multiple times per day.

Now that's neat

Nice! Link for the lazy: https://marginalia-search.com/

In effect, yes.
It's a joke; Made by your use of a different meaning of "now" than OP used in the title. I was pointing out that your use of "now" is an instantaneous moment, of which there are really countless numbers, between your typing the letters "n" and "w", if counted in Plank time. And with such a definition, it's impossible to know if the feature exists at any given "now", since we can't possibly agree on or even accurately choose one. So yes, Schrödinger's Feature now applies.

How did you get that? Mine only has the option for "forums".

they also pay brave for search results iirc

It doesn't have it "now", it's had it for a while. Maybe a better word is "inaccurate"? Saying it's new is a lie.

https://github.com/degoog-org/official-extensions/tree/main/plugins/ai-summary

It does have it now I just checked. It may have also had it then, but I can't confirm that. From your testimony, it seems like Kagi both has this toggle now, and had this toggle then

Your reading comprehension skills are not that great, got it. Thanks for letting everyone know.

No.

I tested a lot of different search engines when I was leaving Google and Kagi was the best by quite a bit. The customization features easily push it over the edge.

I'll give it a shot, thanks!

I don’t understand this line of thinking. A one time fee for an internet service you could potentially use for a decade? I host a number of small projects online and if I scale them way down in terms of hardware resources and don’t add a database or external services (required for basically any functionality), I’m still paying a few bucks a month. Add a database to it and it doubles. Now add a fucking crawler and your egress data rates are gonna climb quick. Not to mention the domain name itself is $12-15 a year.

A one time fee is not compatible with an online service. Ads historically have filled this gap for recurring revenue. If you don’t want ads, there’s literally no other ethical choice to make sure you can stay in business and ideally turn a small profit.

You keep mentioning YouTube was ad free, and sure. But that’s the classic Silicon Valley model. Offer a great product cheaper (ad free) than others, gain adoption, and once you have a huge user base, start to ratchet up the price. Either via ads or subscriptions. You need deep pockets and lots of VC money to make this work and ultimately you’re pulling a bit of a bait and switch on your users. Is that the model you want to support?

Except it still relies on closed source indexes to do anything useful, and they are actively trying to block scrapers.

Finally, I can pay money to use Lemmy

Yeah, at least for me

Yeah, and here 5 bucks is more or less the ~110% of the incomes of most here and in a lot of parts of the world.
Also, even for those that have not so bad wages, it's still sort of a 5% to 10% of their incomes.

For me, i.e., it's much more because I'm unemployed (because of all of the AI crysis, I'm music producer and in my area it hurts so much).

You don't notice it, but you live in a privilege bubble and speak bullshit from your high horse while most of us are trying to find out how to survive with less than 100 USD a month while the basic food basket is more than 500 USD.

Yea

I was paying for Kagi and quite happy with it, but I’m gonna try Uruki for a few months since my Kagi subscription was almost coming to an end.

Then I’ll see if I stick with Uruki or go back to Kagi.

Thabks for letting us know about that product!

That sounds nice i tried degood when it was first out. Seems like its gotten a lot more support now.

At this point, I don't see why that is any worse than using the services of any US-based
Big Tech companies. They have the same kind of anti-privacy business model, their local political regimes have both gone off the rails, and law enforcement and intelligence agencies can legally or extra-judicially snoop through collected data without the user ever knowing.

Some of the services provided by Yandex are, quality-wise, decent enough. I personally tend to find their translation service to be as good or better, as compared to similar services, such as Google Translate or DeepL, so it's usually my API of choice through Mohzi.

If you're up for it, I'd absolutely love a mini-review/comparison, at the end of your evaluation. Or, not-so-mini, if you feel like it. Post it on Lemmy, perhaps (and remember to ping me!). :)

I think this deserves:

“jUsT uSe cHaTgPt.” -iT