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PalmTreeIsBestTree lemmy.world PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-27
#102 · (edited) Quote Reply

MacBooks are just better. Even before apple silicon they had a distinct fit and finish advantage, but now with the M series chips they are just on a completely different level.

Have to agree. I used to write their laptops off as a joke before 2020 due to them having the worst feeling/least reliable keyboard and having overheating issues, however they addressed every issue I had with their laptops when they debuted the M1 models. This seriously made me change my opinion of Apple overall and even the new MacBook Neo is impressive for the price too.

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Skullgrid lemmy.world Skullgrid@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-29
#103 · (edited) Quote Reply

This is the first I've heard you say anything on the topic, hmm curious

You must not have dug very deep into my post history

Edit : iBought rEceipts

https://lemmy.world/search?q=ipod&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=531839&page=1&sort=TopAll&titleOnly=false

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RestrictedAccount lemmy.world RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-21
#104 · Quote Reply

I’ve been using Linux, Mac, and Windows simultaneously for over a long damn time and I say this:

Mac

Mac terminal is still Linux and you can do Linux things with it. I use homebrew stuff all the time - but mostly just do as your told and you’ll be happier. Also, it really helps if you have a few extra pesos in your pocket. I mostly use little Linux boxes to do Linux things rather than Macs. I use Macs more when Apple has decided they like computers and they work great. I move away when they see something shiny and start to depreciate what I have already bought. I will NEVER forget how bad they screwed me with Aperture. However, the Mac Mini is a great product and I use it for what it’s good at.

Windows

NT 4 was peak Windows. As far as I’m concerned, there is nothing outside of equipment OS that can’t do. Also, nothing useful added to Windows since then really works as promised. (Unlike Mac) Excel is still as slick as a cat’s ass and they keep making it better. It doesn’t work on other OS platforms as well.

Linux

It is only for people who love computers. Believe it or not, not everyone does.

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schnurrito discuss.tchncs.de schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-06-24
#105 · Quote Reply

IOS users hate Windows. Linux users hate Microsoft.

I don't hate Microsoft, I hate nonfree software. I happily use free software developed by Microsoft, eg VSCodium.

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FauxLiving lemmy.world FauxLiving@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-02-10
#106 · Quote Reply

You must not have dug very deep into my post history Edit : iBought rEceipts https://lemmy.world/search?q=ipod&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=531839&page=1&sort=TopAll&titleOnly=false

You may not believe this, but I don't spend my time reading the post history of strangers.

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GutterRat42 lemmy.world GutterRat42@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-12-23
#107 · Quote Reply

M'lady No but for real, that was one of the main reasons it took me so long to test Fedora. I associated fedoras (and Linux in general) with sweaty basement dwellers for many years. Not to mention "red hat" has a different connotation than it did in the 90s. Yeesh. But I'm glad I got over it, Fedora works the best for my needs and Linux isn't nearly as hard as it's made out to be. Might try Cac...

People still associate Linux to command line without a GUI and lack of compatibility with hardware. But, honestly, besides some issues with drivers on OpenSUSE 15 years ago, I have not had any issues with Linux ever.

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jabjoe feddit.uk jabjoe@feddit.uk
Joined: 2023-06-14
#108 · Quote Reply

iOS is just a more UNIX, better designed, Windows. Closed OS of American big tech. If you are choosing between those two masters, go for it. But if you don't want to be a serf to US big tech, or want to get the most out of old hardware, come find FOSS. It's a far healthlier relationship.

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h4arts lemmy.blahaj.zone h4arts@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2026-03-11
#109 · Quote Reply

i want ios to perish

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klu9 piefed.social klu9@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-06-04
#110 · Quote Reply

Linux: I run the bank

z/OS: No, you don't.

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boonhet sopuli.xyz boonhet@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2025-06-16
#111 · Quote Reply

I don't hate Microsoft, I hate nonfree software. I happily use free software developed by Microsoft, eg VSCodium.

I even avoid that, because of their EEE past. Also because if I'm going to run something as heavy as VSCodium, I might as well run Jetbrains IDEs which I personally find more ergonomic. Nonfree software, sure, but I like them as a company generally.

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pmk piefed.ca pmk@piefed.ca
Joined: 2025-06-11
#112 · Quote Reply

Oh, that's a terrifying single point of failure.

I agree, and it's run by private companies who could just shut it down or use it in evil ways. Our government is maybe making a state owned solution, but it will take time.

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Flames5123 sh.itjust.works Flames5123@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-02-26
#113 · Quote Reply

Me being an iOS user and Linux user be like

See, I like iOS because it integrates with my work laptop of a MacBook Pro. I don’t need to fiddle with my phone anymore and all texts just come through my laptop.

But also, I like tinkering/programming stuff on my time. iOS just works for the most part.

But it would be nice to not be giving money to corpo tech.

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stray pawb.social stray@pawb.social
Joined: 2025-01-13
#114 · Quote Reply

Oh, that's a terrifying single point of failure.

2FA is the opposite of a single point of failure though. In order to impersonate you someone has to have access to your authentication device and your master password. There are no passwords to remember or get leaked/stolen, and you still have traditional identification and a physical backup in the form of codes or an authentication device.

In Sweden it's like a minute of your time to set up a new phone, or at worst a trip to the bank if you lost your authenticator.

It also has a screen showing what information or authorization is being requested so that it's much harder to get scammed.

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BladeFederation piefed.social BladeFederation@piefed.social
Joined: 2026-02-18
#115 · (edited) Quote Reply

MacBooks are just better. Even before apple silicon they had a distinct fit and finish advantage, but now with the M series chips they are just on a completely different level.

Hardware specs have gone up, prices have come down, competition prices have gone up, competition software has gone way down. The only way I'd recommend a laptop besides a Macbook is if you can find some nice second hand or refurbished laptops, preferably lightly used business class and/or from an auction. And even then, I'd only recommend it if they're wanting to commit tk Linux and need a laptop specifically, or need a Windows only application. Vendors are really out here selling Windows laptops with 8 GB RAM, horrendous build quality, at damn near 1k. My work provided Windows machine is an i7 (2024 I think, maybe 2023) 32 GB RAM and sits at 16 GB RAM with my basic set of Office applications and browser tabs open. My work provided Mac has an M2 and 8 GB RAM, sits at a little under 7 GB RAM, and feels less laggy with the same programs and tabs open.

Desktops are a different story, though in specific use cases, Mac Studio/Mini/iMac are decent options too.

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BladeFederation piefed.social BladeFederation@piefed.social
Joined: 2026-02-18
#116 · Quote Reply

People still associate Linux to command line without a GUI and lack of compatibility with hardware. But, honestly, besides some issues with drivers on OpenSUSE 15 years ago, I have not had any issues with Linux ever.

For sure, it isn't even only the corporate or specifically beginner focused distros that are like this these days either. Most distros have gotten with the program of having GUI choices for most things, easy ways to install proprietary drivers if they weren't allowed tk bundle them already, and even their own ecosystem like an app store.

Some FOSS software does not work as a full replacement for missing professional software, but that's about all that comes to mind as far as issues.

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stray pawb.social stray@pawb.social
Joined: 2025-01-13
#117 · Quote Reply

I agree, and it's run by private companies who could just shut it down or use it in evil ways. Our government is maybe making a state owned solution, but it will take time.

If you're in Sweden you'll be glad to know Sverige-ID is coming this December.

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Narauko lemmy.world Narauko@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-18
#118 · Quote Reply

Yeah, Cisco IOS can be pretty confusing.

But the other options are Junos, whatever unholy abomination Dell is doing now, or HPE Aruba.

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feannag sh.itjust.works feannag@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2024-02-20
#119 · Quote Reply

Huh? You don't have to have icons on your home screen.

You do (did?) on iOS for the longest time.

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[object Object] lemmy.world SlurpingPus@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-11-03
#120 · Quote Reply

Well yeah that's Apple's whole shtick, making anything only compatible with their own ecosystem with as much lock-in as possible. It's a genuinely drug dealer-like approach, they've even got "the first one's free" with cheap Ipads and Neo.

What, Apple forbid developers to have their apps on multiple platforms?

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VAK lemmy.world VAK@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-03-18
#121 · Quote Reply

2FA is the opposite of a single point of failure though. In order to impersonate you someone has to have access to your authentication device and your master password. There are no passwords to remember or get leaked/stolen, and you still have traditional identification and a physical backup in the form of codes or an authentication device. In Sweden it's like a minute of your time to set up a ...

I think they meant that the single app by all banks can go down through backend crash, buggy/malicious app update, etc.

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VAK lemmy.world VAK@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-03-18
#122 · Quote Reply

You know, over the last few years, I've gained a begrudging respect for Apple. They really care about UX, Ui, build quality, OS efficiency, battery life, and they're even the best value proposition at several price tiers. I main Fedora and GrapheneOS at home, yes, but I enjoy macOS and iOS at work. macOS has some of those key professional applications that haven't made it to Linux yet. Apple is...

Lol, did you miss the ios 26 update?

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pmk piefed.ca pmk@piefed.ca
Joined: 2025-06-11
#123 · Quote Reply

If you're in Sweden you'll be glad to know Sverige-ID is coming this December.

Aha, didn't know that, thanks. I hope it will work with free operating systems.

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schnurrito discuss.tchncs.de schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-06-24
#124 · Quote Reply

I even avoid that, because of their EEE past. Also because if I'm going to run something as heavy as VSCodium, I might as well run Jetbrains IDEs which I personally find more ergonomic. Nonfree software, sure, but I like them as a company generally.

I like the JetBrains IDEs too from a purely practical perspective, but I would still rather use FOSS VSCodium than a nonfree JetBrains IDE. Those that are FOSS are a different story.

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stray pawb.social stray@pawb.social
Joined: 2025-01-13
#125 · Quote Reply

I think they meant that the single app by all banks can go down through backend crash, buggy/malicious app update, etc.

I guess, but I've gone without BankID for about month previously. (It was my own fault for procrastinating multiple things.) You don't need it; it's just very convenient.

I'm having difficulty envisioning a malicious update. There's a lot of transparency and regulations.

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b0ber lemmy.world b0ber@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-06-21
#126 · (edited) Quote Reply

ios clearly took inspiration from windows vista for the glass design

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ZILtoid1991 lemmy.world ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-03-16
#127 · Quote Reply

Linux user: "I hate Windows, because it's a proprietary OS that got there through sabotage, goodwill from its user that it got on the honeymoon week of Windows 7, and is actively getting enshittified."

iOS user: "I hate Windows, because the computers it is for don't come with Gorilla Glass put on the screen, often are too heavy, and the installation of applications involve complicated steps, not just using the app store."

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ehguyitsmebuddy lemmy.world ehguyitsmebuddy@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-03-10
#128 · Quote Reply

Jokes on you I am an iOS for mobile and Linux for desktop user. I’ll carry on now.

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toad sh.itjust.works toad@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-10
#129 · Quote Reply

I'm disabled. Android and iOS have terrible accessibility. And so do banks

Not surprising to see the genapos have bad take lmao

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toad sh.itjust.works toad@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-10
#130 · Quote Reply

On the subject of banks, some cuntey banks only provide two options: app and in-person visits. So if you live out of state and the app doesn’t work for you on your version of Android, you’re fucked

Banks in my country don't even do in person anymore. I hate these fucks

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toad sh.itjust.works toad@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-10
#131 · Quote Reply

2FA is the opposite of a single point of failure though. In order to impersonate you someone has to have access to your authentication device and your master password. There are no passwords to remember or get leaked/stolen, and you still have traditional identification and a physical backup in the form of codes or an authentication device. In Sweden it's like a minute of your time to set up a ...

This is terrible for disabled people.

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toad sh.itjust.works toad@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-10
#132 · (edited) Quote Reply

What’s the joke? Having a fully functioning phone. Ugh the horror.

I worked for applecare. I was instructed to lie and threat the customer badly. They spy on people.

You're a simp

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toad sh.itjust.works toad@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-10
#133 · Quote Reply

You know, over the last few years, I've gained a begrudging respect for Apple. They really care about UX, Ui, build quality, OS efficiency, battery life, and they're even the best value proposition at several price tiers. I main Fedora and GrapheneOS at home, yes, but I enjoy macOS and iOS at work. macOS has some of those key professional applications that haven't made it to Linux yet. Apple is...

They spy on people, they lie, they're a littéral cult

Source: i worked there

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dependencyinjection discuss.tchncs.de dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-10-20
#134 · Quote Reply

I worked for applecare. I was instructed to lie and threat the customer badly. They spy on people. You're a simp

I worked for Apple for three years on the Genius Bar in the UK and was never told to lie. In fact when on sales we would be told to downgrade customers if they wanted a MacBook Pro for instance and their usage could be the same with a cheaper Mac.

Not a simp and I find your reductive take quite insulting. I’ll happily call out Apple for its use of cheap labour or its prices etc. just the phone works as I want. It ain’t that deep mate.

You can see my post history where I have discussed my time at Apple several times.

Also, it should be noted that working for Apple literally changed my life. From going nowhere at 38 to getting diagnosed with ADHD with the help of Apple then them affording me all the time I needed to upskill as a software engineer and then leave Apple. Working for Apple in the UK is the best I was ever treated by an employer and I’ve had 80+ jobs.

Nothing is binary.

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smeg feddit.uk smeg@feddit.uk
Joined: 2023-07-01
#135 · Quote Reply

The whole issue with banking apps must seem strange to people in some countries, and make perfect sense to people in other countries. My whole country rely on a 2FA app made by the banks. It's in every aspect of society. Buying a bus ticket, booking a time for health care, doing taxes, applying for an apartment, signing contracts, all done with the same banking app. Only people with stallmanesq...
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Tiresia slrpnk.net Tiresia@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2024-07-16
#136 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

I switched to Linux because I hate Windows. I also dislike Microsoft, but I would have tolerated them like I tolerate my health insurance company if they didn't make the UX increasingly terrible.

I could have installed iOS but Linux is more reliable for gaming afaik, and iOS may start enshittifying at any moment.

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stray pawb.social stray@pawb.social
Joined: 2025-01-13
#137 · (edited) Quote Reply

This is terrible for disabled people.

I'm having trouble imagining how this makes anything more difficult than a traditional password setup. Can you please explain?

I know there's issues surrounding its use, but solving those issues involves changing other policies, not getting rid of e-identification. For example, allowing someone to access their medical records in person instead of demanding they use the website, a problem which would persist with a username and password.

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pmk piefed.ca pmk@piefed.ca
Joined: 2025-06-11
#138 · Quote Reply

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They have smartphones, unless they are so old that they don't need it.

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toad sh.itjust.works toad@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-10
#139 · Quote Reply

I'm having trouble imagining how this makes anything more difficult than a traditional password setup. Can you please explain? I know there's issues surrounding its use, but solving those issues involves changing other policies, not getting rid of e-identification. For example, allowing someone to access their medical records in person instead of demanding they use the website, a problem which ...

I recently got back to my country. They have e-id. I opened an account. Got paid. My phone broke. Signing up to the app requires a computer with an e-id reader. I use it once every couple of years. It took me ages to find one. Only to realize the stupid browser extension wasn't working with linux. At the end I had to go to the stupid city hall. I'm disabled. I would rather use my personal passphrase. What seems easy to you may not be for everybody. I hate it here. Everything is bureaucratic, security first so that the already rich banker doesn't loose 20 euros to fraudster, nothing it adapted, everything is loud and complicated and annoying.

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toad sh.itjust.works toad@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-10
#140 · Quote Reply

I worked for Apple for three years on the Genius Bar in the UK and was never told to lie. In fact when on sales we would be told to downgrade customers if they wanted a MacBook Pro for instance and their usage could be the same with a cheaper Mac. Not a simp and I find your reductive take quite insulting. I’ll happily call out Apple for its use of cheap labour or its prices etc. just the phone ...

Yea we were told that "downgrading an OS wasn't possible" (it's totally possible) during the battery-draining update debacle. They bricked tons of phone, then we had a townhall where they self-congratulated on the fact they were making more money on repair than selling new phone.

My time there was more akin to a cult than to a job. Those people fucked each other, lived with each other, hang out with each other and think they're superior being.

Also they're literally spying on people.

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toad sh.itjust.works toad@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-10
#141 · Quote Reply

I worked for Apple for three years on the Genius Bar in the UK and was never told to lie. In fact when on sales we would be told to downgrade customers if they wanted a MacBook Pro for instance and their usage could be the same with a cheaper Mac. Not a simp and I find your reductive take quite insulting. I’ll happily call out Apple for its use of cheap labour or its prices etc. just the phone ...

Good for you if you had a good time there though, no offense. Enjoy your day

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BilSabab lemmy.world BilSabab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-19
#142 · Quote Reply

iOS users are eloi

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Agent641 lemmy.world Agent641@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-12
#143 · Quote Reply

iOS users are eloi

Who are the morlocks?

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FuglyDuck lemmy.world FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-15
#144 · Quote Reply

I don't hate Microsoft, I hate nonfree software. I happily use free software developed by Microsoft, eg VSCodium.

MS has apparently added AI to vscode... and it's apparently a pain to, uh, extricate.

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AnUnusualRelic lemmy.world AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-06
#145 · Quote Reply

Banks in my country don't even do in person anymore. I hate these fucks

That's so they can pass on the savings to you, right?

Right?

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BilSabab lemmy.world BilSabab@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-19
#146 · Quote Reply

Who are the morlocks?

following this logic - they must be Windows.

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toad sh.itjust.works toad@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-10
#147 · Quote Reply

That's so they can pass on the savings to you, right? Right?

Yes, bankers are notoriously generous people who just like to give stuff for free

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khánh lemmy.zip khanh@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-01-20
#148 · Quote Reply

ios clearly took inspiration from windows vista for the glass design

and vista very clearly took inspiration from apple's aqua; this whole "apple liquid glass copied windows vista" argument is very stupid.

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CarrotsHaveEars lemmy.ml racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2021-10-03
#149 · Quote Reply

iOS is just a more UNIX, better designed, Windows. Closed OS of American big tech. If you are choosing between those two masters, go for it. But if you don't want to be a serf to US big tech, or want to get the most out of old hardware, come find FOSS. It's a far healthlier relationship.

On which handheld device do I run this majestic FreeBSD?

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toad sh.itjust.works toad@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-01-10
#150 · Quote Reply

What, Apple forbid developers to have their apps on multiple platforms?

By the time they're done with the app publication process they're bankrupted

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sveltecider lemmy.ca sveltecider@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2026-03-01
#151 · Quote Reply

I have both lol

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